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@thegerg said:

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I like all of your responses against what I'm saying. Overall I think you are all looking too much into it

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@GTA_dude: "The more offspring you produce, and the more diverse they are, then you will have a better chance at surviving in the wild"

Uh, no. Producing offspring is physically taxing and time-consuming (especially on female animals). Dedicating time and energy to making offspring is not the type of thing that will always increase your chances of surviving in the wild. Again, where do you study biology?

First off, producing offspring is the #1 thing that all animals want. Their own survival isn't what they're going for, it's the survival of their genes. So yeah, producing offspring is the type of thing that increases their chances of survival. Once again, not their own survival, their species survival. Humans are really the only species that care more about themselves verses their species. Every other species, one member will give themselves up if it means their genes carry on. Look at male black widows. They are willing to perform sexual cannibalism just because it increases their chances at producing offspring. Letting the women eat them gives them just a few more seconds to put more sperm into her. So they're all for it. They even compete for it against other black widows knowing what will happen. I've even watched male black widow rivalry, it's pretty entertaining. Bees and ants are also an example, the individuals will do anything for the queen.

Yeah, producing offspring is very taxing and time-consuming, but it's really all they have to do in life. If they don't give off to any then their life was useless. Practically every action an animal does, has to do with ways to attract a mate and raise an offspring, such as intrasexual or intersexual acts. You've heard bird singing right? That's an example, they only do it to attract a mate. It's a concept of "sexy genes", indirect way of attracting (It is an Intersexual act btw). The better they sound, the more well fed they must have been, and the better their brain must be developed to have learned the specific song. They have a better chance of pulling a female if they sound good. The mate who puts more work into rearing a child is usually the one who chooses the opposing mate, usually female, but could be male. The other mate will compete in some way to attract the choosy mate.

Nothing you've posted supports your claim that "[t]he more offspring you produce, and the more diverse they are, then you will have a better chance at surviving in the wild". In fact, what you've posted ("[l]ook at male black widows")shows how producing offspring can lead to having a LOWER chance of survival.

Now, back on topic. You mentioned what animals are supposed to be biologically attracted to. Please try to answer the question: What is the "opposite" of a native American male human, and what biological mechanism dictates that he is supposed to be attracted to it?

Apparently you never understood the original statement "The more offspring you produce, and the more diverse they are, then they will have a better chance at surviving in the wild and carrying out your genes". They don't care about their own survival, they only care about the survival of the offspring they produce. I said this repetitively in my last post The way they see it, if you live a long life but produce no offspring then their life was useless. The black widow example is perfect for this. I don't think you're reading through my posts very well...

And I dunno? There isn't a genetic code in every person that says they MUST be attracted to a certain type, as I said in the first post. It is common for animals to be attracted to something other then what they are, like an opposite. As stated in the 3rd to the last sentence in my first posts, "Soo, it is natural for a white guy to be attractive to a black girl, asian, indian, just something other then whatever they are. And the same goes for women." Do you not understand?

It's obvious what you're doing, trying to be a devils advocate and calling out on the other people who post. Trolling, and trying to feel smart. You have to read and understand what the other person says though first, or else you just look like a dumbass. And don't you have anything better to do with your time?

"They don't care about their own survival, they only care about the survival of the offspring they produce."

That does not mean that producing more offspring means surviving better in the wild. It means passing on one's genes. Those two things are not the same. A spider's cares and desires have no bearing on that. Again, where do you study biology?

"There isn't a genetic code in every person that says they MUST be attracted to a certain type, as I said in the first post."

That's not what you said in the first post. What you said was, "[s]urprisingly, biologically all animals are attracted to their opposites, or atleast are supposed to be." I'm simply asking you to support this claim, and to support the premise that humans have "opposites."

I'm not trolling. I'm simply asking you to support your claims.

No dude, you're trolling. You're looking too deeply into what I'm saying, and Trying to find something to oppose to. Which is why I asked, don't you have anything better to do? I know I do, so I'm not going to go all out in trying to support my claims, because I dont have to. I know what I know is all true, and it doesn't matter where I'm studying at because everything I know is backed by texts from around the world. You just look like a kid who doesn't know what he's arguing against. In the future go study at a university before you try and argue with someone who probably knows it better. This is just an internet forum, and as far as I know going by the persona you're creating for yourself in my view, you're just a 16 year old with very little to no friends, probably not liked by many because you're trying too hard to question everything and trying to appear like you know everything (girls don't like that btw, makes you look arrogant). So I'm not going to waste too much of my time supporting anything to you. Plus, whatever I say you're gonna look into it wrong and argue against it. So whats the point? I mine as well be playing chess with a pigeon. This is why people dont like other people who act like you're acting, so I hope you're not like this in real life

Producing more offspring means the odds of atleast 1 surviving in the wild is increased (Duh). So yeah, producing more offspring does increase the odds of your genes surviving. But Notice I put BOTH terms in there, "The more offspring you produce, and the more diverse they are, then they will have a better chance at surviving in the wild and carrying out your genes". Both terms of being more and diverse are included and are independent of each other (notice the oxford comma), and both outcomes are stated, better chance and surviving and passing on genes. So obviously, the more diverse the offspring then the better chances they have of surviving. And the more sperm an animal puts into the female the better odds she'll get pregnant (Don't you know any biology?), hence why a male black widow is willing to be eaten to give his junk a few more seconds inside of the female. If he doesn't even produce 1 offspring, then there is 0 chance it'll survive in the wild, because it doesn't even exist. Do I have to explain everything for you to understand? Read through and understand before you argue, cause it looks like you only read half.

And yes, that is what I said in the first post. Go back and read it. "Soo, it is natural for a white guy to be attractive to a black girl, asian, indian, just something other then whatever they are. And the same goes for women." Meaning something other then what they are (Opposite is more of a shorthand way of saying it, 1 word verse 7 words. The term varies based on preferences, but as I said, You are looking too deeply into it). Specifically what they're attracted too isn't in their genetic code, just something other then what they are is more appealing to them. And I said within the same species. You don't need to find the opposite of humans, it's the opposite of whatever you are. Black is the opposite of white (Duh), so it looks like if a white man is attracted to a black girl, that that's pretty close to his opposite.

If you don't believe me and you think everyone should mate with their equal, then why don't you just go sleep with your sister to prove me wrong.

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@thegerg said:

@GTA_dude said:

I like all of your responses against what I'm saying. Overall I think you are all looking too much into it

@thegerg said:

@GTA_dude: "The more offspring you produce, and the more diverse they are, then you will have a better chance at surviving in the wild"

Uh, no. Producing offspring is physically taxing and time-consuming (especially on female animals). Dedicating time and energy to making offspring is not the type of thing that will always increase your chances of surviving in the wild. Again, where do you study biology?

First off, producing offspring is the #1 thing that all animals want. Their own survival isn't what they're going for, it's the survival of their genes. So yeah, producing offspring is the type of thing that increases their chances of survival. Once again, not their own survival, their species survival. Humans are really the only species that care more about themselves verses their species. Every other species, one member will give themselves up if it means their genes carry on. Look at male black widows. They are willing to perform sexual cannibalism just because it increases their chances at producing offspring. Letting the women eat them gives them just a few more seconds to put more sperm into her. So they're all for it. They even compete for it against other black widows knowing what will happen. I've even watched male black widow rivalry, it's pretty entertaining. Bees and ants are also an example, the individuals will do anything for the queen.

Yeah, producing offspring is very taxing and time-consuming, but it's really all they have to do in life. If they don't give off to any then their life was useless. Practically every action an animal does, has to do with ways to attract a mate and raise an offspring, such as intrasexual or intersexual acts. You've heard bird singing right? That's an example, they only do it to attract a mate. It's a concept of "sexy genes", indirect way of attracting (It is an Intersexual act btw). The better they sound, the more well fed they must have been, and the better their brain must be developed to have learned the specific song. They have a better chance of pulling a female if they sound good. The mate who puts more work into rearing a child is usually the one who chooses the opposing mate, usually female, but could be male. The other mate will compete in some way to attract the choosy mate.

Nothing you've posted supports your claim that "[t]he more offspring you produce, and the more diverse they are, then you will have a better chance at surviving in the wild". In fact, what you've posted ("[l]ook at male black widows")shows how producing offspring can lead to having a LOWER chance of survival.

Now, back on topic. You mentioned what animals are supposed to be biologically attracted to. Please try to answer the question: What is the "opposite" of a native American male human, and what biological mechanism dictates that he is supposed to be attracted to it?

Apparently you never understood the original statement "The more offspring you produce, and the more diverse they are, then they will have a better chance at surviving in the wild and carrying out your genes". They don't care about their own survival, they only care about the survival of the offspring they produce. I said this repetitively in my last post The way they see it, if you live a long life but produce no offspring then their life was useless. The black widow example is perfect for this. I don't think you're reading through my posts very well...

And I dunno? There isn't a genetic code in every person that says they MUST be attracted to a certain type, as I said in the first post. It is common for animals to be attracted to something other then what they are, like an opposite. As stated in the 3rd to the last sentence in my first posts, "Soo, it is natural for a white guy to be attractive to a black girl, asian, indian, just something other then whatever they are. And the same goes for women." Do you not understand?

It's obvious what you're doing, trying to be a devils advocate and calling out on the other people who post. Trolling, and trying to feel smart. You have to read and understand what the other person says though first, or else you just look like a dumbass. And don't you have anything better to do with your time?

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Every american is a slave to the dollar bill and the corporation.

And even deeper, every american is a slave to the nation and Monsanto...

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#4  Edited By GTA_dude
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Well you should, most people are just stupid.

But NEVER elevate yourself as if you are above everyone else. As a whole people are stupid, but individually people are alot smarter then you think. Talk about yourself as if you are smarter then the unknown person and it'll just make you look stupid and arrogant. Always base yourself on the idea that everyone else knows just as much as you, and you don't know anything more then anyone else. Plus intelligence is a big area with different topics. I'm sure there are alot of things that you don't know, but the hillbilly down the street knows alot about.

And of course, "True knowledge is knowing, that you know nothing" - Socrates

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I like all of your responses against what I'm saying. Overall I think you are all looking too much into it

@thegerg said:

@GTA_dude: "The more offspring you produce, and the more diverse they are, then you will have a better chance at surviving in the wild"

Uh, no. Producing offspring is physically taxing and time-consuming (especially on female animals). Dedicating time and energy to making offspring is not the type of thing that will always increase your chances of surviving in the wild. Again, where do you study biology?

First off, producing offspring is the #1 thing that all animals want. Their own survival isn't what they're going for, it's the survival of their genes. So yeah, producing offspring is the type of thing that increases their chances of survival. Once again, not their own survival, their species survival. Humans are really the only species that care more about themselves verses their species. Every other species, one member will give themselves up if it means their genes carry on. Look at male black widows. They are willing to perform sexual cannibalism just because it increases their chances at producing offspring. Letting the women eat them gives them just a few more seconds to put more sperm into her. So they're all for it. They even compete for it against other black widows knowing what will happen. I've even watched male black widow rivalry, it's pretty entertaining. Bees and ants are also an example, the individuals will do anything for the queen.

Yeah, producing offspring is very taxing and time-consuming, but it's really all they have to do in life. If they don't give off to any then their life was useless. Practically every action an animal does, has to do with ways to attract a mate and raise an offspring, such as intrasexual or intersexual acts. You've heard bird singing right? That's an example, they only do it to attract a mate. It's a concept of "sexy genes", indirect way of attracting (It is an Intersexual act btw). The better they sound, the more well fed they must have been, and the better their brain must be developed to have learned the specific song. They have a better chance of pulling a female if they sound good. The mate who puts more work into rearing a child is usually the one who chooses the opposing mate, usually female, but could be male. The other mate will compete in some way to attract the choosy mate.

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I don't think you understood why all the drugs and sex scenes where part of the movie.

No, I understand why they were part of the movie. My point want that was all the movie was, as if it was the only reason why they made the movie. It was too drawn out in that way. It became boring, and the story line sucked. Like, they just wanted to make a movie about sex and drugs so the attached that story line to it to make it work. I don't care if the story is based on a true story, everyone knows those are just vaguely correct. The true story is NEVER 100%, or usually even 50% correct.

Yeah, they explain his lifestyle, but that's not a normal lifestyle. It's too perfect, it's the life everyone dreams of living, as if it would be so simple. Like just walking in on the first day and making $5000 with no work put into it? Cant happen, life doesn't work that way. By that point you can just see that everything will work out perfectly. So it became predictable, not complex, no real conflict. As I said early, too drawn out just to add more sex and drugs. Then high scale actors to give it the attraction to the story for people to see it. They then tried too hard to make it believable, with their "oscar winning performances"

And by "fillers", I didn't mean the sex and drug scenes. I mean scenes like the one where they were all sitting around a table talking about throwing midgets at dart boards for 5 minutes. Only Quinton Tarantino can pull those scenes off, because he does them perfectly and can somehow tie them in with the storyline. This movie tried too hard with the idea, and failed

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@GTA_dude: What? All animals are "supposed to be" attracted to their "opposites"? At what fucked out school do you study biology?

This is pretty easy to support. If people didn't want diversity in their population then we would just reproduce asexually, and not sexually. I'm not finding articles to prove what I said, because this is just a online forum and not worth my time, but if you think about it it is true. Besides, this is just a more logical approach. The more offspring you produce, and the more diverse they are, then they will have a better chance at surviving in the wild and carrying out your genes. This is how animals can evolve, through slight changes over time. If everything only mated with other things that are EXACTLY the same, then nothing would change until a mutation occurs. But you also have to figure there Are more variables in finding a mate, but this does fall under sexual selection which is a sub category of natural selection. Not everything will look, or even think about going for their opposites, but you never know whats going on in your subconscious. But as I said there are many other variables to consider.

And I'm talking about Animals, and only in finding mates within the same species. Humans just so happen to also be animals though, so we can fall under all the same things. And it doesn't matter what race you are, every human is still the same species.

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And the last movie I watched was The Graduate

GREAT Movie

Then Inglourious Basterd, one of my favorite movies

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@LoG-Sacrament said:

the wolf of wall street

it was pretty damn awesome. the reference point for me was goodfellas (maybe even more so than casino). both scorcese films use a character study as an excuse to paint a picture of a certain crime lifestyle in business suits, but the contrasts are more interesting to me.

the main character in goodfellas resorted to crime for logical things. he wanted a house, VIP treatment at night clubs, money to spend with the guys, and other things you could likely see yourself doing if you had a ton of money. the lead in wall street bought even nicer things than in goodfellas, but these perks are really just window dressing (you never have the joyous scene where he buys a giant mansion. he just has it). they're afterthoughts.

what belfort really wants is volatility. he doesn't relish the money he takes; he lives for the act of taking and he's damn good at it. he wants the game of cat and mouse with the feds because he enjoys it. actually having the wealth is less important to him than lording it over his rivals. people always associate action movies with adrenaline, but you're unlikely to find many movies more soaked in adrenaline and testosterone than the wolf of wall street.

frankly, it's a genuine angle too and for even more reasons than the actual belfort the character was inspired by. it's at the center of a lot of big fraud cases (check out the documentary "enron: the smartest guys in the room" if you haven't yet or read up on dennis kozlowski). the people that will seemingly do anything for money are generally not that interested in it.

The movie was horrible, plain an simple. I understand all the points it was trying to make and everything, but it was just horrible. The worst Leonardo movie ever made.

It was overdone, trying too hard, no real plot, no real story, not a good conflict. Drawn out, became boring, predictable, too much "filler" scenes, where the actors are trying too hard to win an Oscar, but they had nothing to do with the actual movie or story. The movie was just all around horrible, and doesn't deserve anything. Some parts were funny, yeah, but it's just a bunch or comedy scenes with a loose plot to tie them together. Like someone just wanted to throw a bunch other things into a movie but needed something to make them all work together. This is why the story sucks. It is a movie for an 17-20 year old to go to, to make them feel older because they can finally watch a movie with sex and drugs, to make them feel like they're more mature. Same concept with smoking when your 16, you feel older because you can finally experience what older people are used too, even though you are in no way more mature because of it. A good movie doesn't need sex and drugs to make it exciting, for that you can just watch some porn, The Wolf On Wallstreet was trying too hard on that angle though.

The LEGO movie, MUCH MUCH better, and it was just a kids movie with a plot a kid would dream of. It had more conflict, more meaning, more you would want to pay attention too. I didn't feel bored during it, I was Much more entertained. It didn't need sex and drugs to be exciting, the story writers found a way around that. I would put it much higher on the list for movies to watch. This is coming from a 25 year old who only went to go see The Wolf On Wallstreet because his 20 year old girlfriend wanted to see it

Same goes for A Lone Soldier, American Hustle (I loved that movie), and even Captain America.

Also, watch Scarface.

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Surprisingly, biologically all animals are attracted to their opposites, or atleast are supposed to be.

As in, the more different your mate is from you the more diverse your children will be. And that's what natural selection works on, diversity. So that atleast one will have a better chance of survival and to pass on your genes. Soo, it is natural for a white guy to be attractive to a black girl, asian, indian, just something other then whatever they are. And the same goes for women.

The most attractive pheromones given off by the opposite mate are always the ones that are furthest from your own.

I love being a biology major....