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#1 Dylan_11
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] I never said that Mortal Kombat crossed a moral or ethical line, I said that people say it does. You don't see how someone might have a problem with a game whose major selling point is the brutal and bloody mutilation of human characters? You know as well as I do that one of the biggest draws of that game was the graphic violence and the fatalities. Yet rather than acknowledge that the game's detractors might sort of have a point, you've gotta go into full defensive mode and act as if people are insane for even having a problem with it.

Oh they can have a problem with the game, the violence it depicts ect. They can tell their kids not to play it and actually follow the rating guideline if they want. Nothing is stopping them from just not buying the game. Nothing here proves that the game will cause to player to exhibit violence outside of the game itself.
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Of course it's fantasy and of course it's fiction. Nobody said otherwise. That still has absolutely nothing to do with what they were complaining about, which is that the game is sick, and crosses the line.MrGeezer
What line does Mortal Kombat cross? Oh how dare that nice Asian boy defend himself against the four armed freak trying to kill him?
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I receive a gift and scream "GOD DOESNT EXIST YOU IDIOTS!" at the gift giver. I then go home and read a book that isnt a bible and tell my kids to go straight to bed without prayer. And if they wake up in the middle of the night because they thought they heard reindeer on the roof I simply tell them they are stupid and they will not have TV time tomorrow. Then I go back to my bed and have unprotected sex with my girlfriend who I am not married to because if she gets pregnant we can simply get it aborted. No big deal.
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I don't hate Guidos. I hate douchebags.
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There is in fact at least one game where you get to re-enact the Columbine massacre. It exists. If your entire criticism of it is that it is based on a real event, then one could just as easily change the names, put it in a completely fictional school, and still have it be the exact same game about murdering kids.MrGeezer
Super Colmbine Massacre RPG?

An indie deveolped game that was released by online download?

I mean there is nothing stopping anybody from making that, playing that or being disgusted by that.

And again, there are absolutely games based on real battles, in which you play a soldier in a battle in which real people actually died. MrGeezer
Yup.

Historic battles taken place during wartime. Stuff that you can read in any history book.

Difference being these deaths are not 'murder'.

Wartime casulties.

If I released a game in which the goal was to rape fictional women, and then tried to justify it by saying, "hey, it's all fiction, it's not like it's real or anything", then you'd call bull$*** on that, wouldn't you? The fact is that the whole "it's not real" argument is BS. Games exist for people to escape into fantasy, and by flat out dismissing criticisms on the grounds that it's just fantasy, you're intentionally deflecting attention away from why you find that particular fantasy appealing. You can spend hours playing a videogame in which you murder hookers and run over civilians and then defend it because "it's not real, it's just fantasy", but someone can defend ANYTHING on those grounds. Being based on something real isn't even the point. Because as stated, many games ARE based at least in part on real events, and get a pass. If you can defend a Jack the Ripper game because you don't play the villain, then you're admitting that being based on reality isn't what makes a game "cross the line". If you can defend a WWII shooter because it simply has you shooting Nazis rather than dealing with the death camps, then you're admitting that "real" and "fake" aren't even the issue.MrGeezer
1. Rape game would never get released. (Unless by an idie developer releasing it online)

2. Games are fantasy I already said this. Games are not you fantasizing about killing people you know, and if they are for you then that is a problem with you. Not the game.

3. I never said games based on reality cross the line. I said a game that has no point other than to put you in the shoes of a mass murderer as he walks through a school killing children is crossing the line.

4. Nazi game showing the death camps would be ok as long as the whole point of the game wasn't gassing Jews or something.

Lets put this plainly.

You have a game like GTA where you CAN go around killing pedestrians and hookers.

It does not encourage it, but you can do it.

Choice.

The player makes the choice.

The game cannot be held responsible for what the player chooses to do.

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I'm gonna name your penis Katniss, my mouth Peeta and my anus Liam Hemsworth. Only one orifice will survive.
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Merry Christmas to all my fellow white people! Happy Kwanzaa Mazel Tov Allahu Akbar to the restkingkong0124
Mamzir

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Gesundheit.

I'm Irish.

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Fake hookers. Fake pedestrians. Your example was a school shooter based on a real school shooting. Obviously that is crossing the line. Jesus Christ this isn't hard man.

So if the game depicted a fake school shooting, then that'd be okay? How about the games that portrayed real battles? Is it okay to do a videogame simulation of a real battle in which real people died horribly? Because those exist, you know. There've also been games that dealt with real murderers, such as Jack the Ripper or the Black Dahlia killer. People base fictional material on real events all the time. You talk about crossing the line, which shows that there is a line which can be crossed. My point is that gamers and the game industry should be doing a better job of asking themselves if they're crossing the line, rather than just kneejerk defending games on the basis that it isn't "real".

Is there a game out there where you play as the Black Dahlia killer? Dismember all of his victims? Same with Jack the Ripper, is there a game out there where you get to maliciously tear apart prostitutes? His real victims? No. All of your examples are of games that don't even fvcking exist. I don't even know what you are trying to get across here because making up shlt isn't doing anything for you.
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Merry Christmas to all my fellow white people! Happy Kwanzaa Mazel Tov Allahu Akbar to the rest
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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]If I play a Columbine Shooter game and fantasize about murdering kids, that's okay because "it's fantasy"? MrGeezer
u wot m8

Obviously that's not fvcking ok.

Why are you even asking this?

Then you shouldn't have a hard time understanding why people would have a problem with games that let people live out their fantasies of beating hookers and running over pedestrians.

Fake hookers. Fake pedestrians. Your example was a school shooter based on a real school shooting. Obviously that is crossing the line. Jesus Christ this isn't hard man.