@blindbsnake: Again with the "you're an insecure bigot if you don't agree with me" line of thought. Which in this case doesn't work because my issues with Abby and her sex scene have nothing to do with muscles. If women with muscles made me insecure about my manhood, I wouldn't be popping a tent over Cara Dune in Mandalorian every time she's on screen. Pretty sure she could break my d*** off with her thighs and that kinda turns me on. My definitions of beauty are many and varied.No the issue with that sex scene is that it is entire unnecessary and is extreme tonal whiplash.As for the story being bad, I did not mean that if you can't get people to understand the story that it fails. I meant that if you can't get people involved in the story at its base level, they'll never stick around long enough to even attempt to get into the deeper meanings. And that's where TLoU2 fails story wise. It tries too hard to be deep while treading story beats many many works of fiction have already handled better.And they handled it better because they aren't videogames. Fundamentally, videogames need to be fun in some form. Be it a First Person Shooter that plays off of adrenaline and dopamine or a game like Dark Souls where the fun comes from overcoming challenges. This is where TLoU2 fails most. It's just not fun. Or at best it's spurts of fun bookended by a bleak, dreary, dystopian essay on the dark parts of humanity. With a sex scene thrown in because. Part 2 would have worked...alright as a book or as a movie, but as a videogame the story drags down the gameplay as well as the story just being not that interesting. For meaningful stories with depth, I'm used to the likes of Heinlein and Scalzi. TLoU2 is just shock value followed by tonal whiplash while your characters lament the shittiness of the world around them while the player as Abby has a massive grin on their face while they punch things into non-existance or gets excited over clearing an area by slitting everyones throat without being seen.