@kickinlikesally : I thought 12 was okay, if not anything great. Things started getting awesome from 13, but 12 wasn't too bad either...at least it was better than 09,10 and 11 which were really bad. As for WWE2k15, the more I am playing it, the more I feel like kicking the disk outta my window. RVD moves slower than big show and there's an overall slowdown in graphics and animations. It's just not a great game anymore.