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#1  Edited By Antwan3K
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@HalcyonScarlet: the anti-GamePass crowd are just looking sad at this point..

The arguments that the service isn't sustainable and that Day One is going away have been put to rest.. So there's really nothing else to talk about..

If Microsoft is going to continue to provide a great service, people should just take advantage of it rather than being perpetually "concerned" how the multi-Trillion dollar company is making money; particularly when they've stated repeatedly that Game Pass is profitable, sustainable, and financially viable..

There's literally nothing else to discuss.. Game Pass is here to stay so what's the point in complaining about an objectively good service?.. 🤷🏽‍♂️

On Topic, glad to see more players will be able to experience Sea of Thieves.. I put an absolute ton of hours into it via Game Pass 😎👍🏽

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#2  Edited By Antwan3K
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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@ghostofgolden said:

So the market is proving that the Game Pass model is bad for business? Gamers "voting with their wallets" and "value" are at odds yet again...

Put a game on a service and i performs "meh." Sell the game at full price on the competitors platform and it's a success. And Xbox fanboys are doing victory laps? This only illustrates the disparity in brand strength. Folks would rather waste money on a competitors platform than participate on yours... Congrats?

Or it could be about maximising profits. The problem with everything you just said is, even Sony bosses are less than impressed with PlayStation software sales and profits. Why? Because no matter how high they may be, they are a corporation and it's not enough. They've tasted extra sales and they want more.

Cows said single platform only, it became the corny sounding "PlayStation family".

Cows said only exclusives count, it became about timed exclusivity.

Cows said never on the PC, now games are on the PC. Waiting years is obviously becoming tedious for Sony. Sooner or later there'll be a six month difference at best and then day and date.

Because you're obsessed with Gamepass, you don't see the bigger picture. It's not about making "enough" sales, it's about maximising sales. Even Sony sees that now. There's a good chance PlayStation execs find cows as tedious as everyone else, because there's no money in fanboyism.

The writing is on the wall. Sony is only a thin line away from releasing games day and date with the PC. I don't think people see it as a matter of "if" anymore.

don't bother wasting your time..

the reality is that Game Pass isn't going anywhere.. Day One for Game Pass is here to stay and Xbox is still fully supporting the service.. at this point, there's really nothing more to discuss beyond one question:

Is Game Pass worth the price of admission for those that are interested?..

and right now, the general consensus is "yes".. the detractor(s) are just looking more and more pathetic with the continued obsession.. they should just let it go and enjoy the games.. the multi-trillion dollar company is going to be okay..

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@kvallyx said:
@silentchief said:

Well Lems don't buy games that is a fact based off all evidence we have. Multiplat games sell significantly worse on Xbix than any other platform.

[...]

But Xbox gamers do buy games. But there are substantially less Xbox consoles sold than PS and Nintendo, so there will be less games bought. Game Pass is only 10-15% of their business. The rest comes from game software and hardware sales.

[...]

your clear and basic logic will fall on deaf ears unfortunately..

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#4  Edited By Antwan3K
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@sakaixx said:

This is great. PS and PC (Steam/Epic) users pay while Xbox users get games on gamepass. PS users and Xbox users still get exclusives not on other consoles while Xbox users get new gamepass content, everyone wins.

fixed that for you..

agreed.. 👍

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#5  Edited By Antwan3K
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@SolidGame_basic said:

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Will we eventually see PlayStation be a number 2 or 3 in the console space?

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no.. not, a chance at this point..

but gaming exists beyond consoles.. true ecosystem growth is beyond limiting your games to a $400~$500 box under a television..

and if Sony/PlayStation keeps dragging their feet long enough, Xbox could indeed become the market leader in overall gaming by comparison to PlayStation and Nintendo..

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#7  Edited By Antwan3K
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@kvallyx said:
@Antwan3K said:
@ghostofgolden said:
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2:53:22 - The Game Pass deals are drying up. Devs that have been a part of the program are being offered substantially less money now. But it’s “growing” says Antwan 🙄

cool, story bro..

let me know when the "drying up" actually starts because 3rd party games are continually being announced for the service.. 🙄

And 3rd party devs continue to praise Game Pass. Even Sony is nervous about Game Pass.

Sony is probably nervous about what it may mean to have Call of Duty available for "free" in Game Pass versus $70 on PlayStation..

but ultimately, there's nothing else to discuss on the subject of Game Pass.. the business update put an end to that.. Day One is here to stay and Xbox is still supporting the service as a key part of the ecosystem..

the naysayers are just mooing at the bottom of the barrel at this point..

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#8  Edited By Antwan3K
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@ghostofgolden said:
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2:53:22 - The Game Pass deals are drying up. Devs that have been a part of the program are being offered substantially less money now. But it’s “growing” says Antwan 🙄

cool, story bro..

let me know when the "drying up" actually starts because 3rd party games are continually being announced for the service.. 🙄

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#9  Edited By Antwan3K
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@Naylord said:
@Antwan3K said:
@davillain said:

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Game Pass is good and all, but it rarely helps developers getting those diminishing returns but buying games does in fact helps developers at the end of the day.

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if that's the case, 3rd party devs should stop puttng their games on Game Pass.. that's a simple solution..

yet, we see ever increasing support for Game Pass with 3rd party content.. 🤷‍♂️

Well it could be your best option for recurperating costs while simultaneously hurting your business. For example, you'll often hear people chirp in forums or comments on how "they'll wait for X to appear on gamepass" or "this game is perfect for gamepass!" so people that maybe used to buy games are just getting a sub, and the only way the dev can get any money eventually is to settle up and put it on gamepass.

The reason why this is terrible though, is it gives multi billion dollar companies a chance to expand margins at the expense of AA and indie developers. Maybe an indie game would have done pretty well in a pre subscription era, but if they have to just take scraps from Sony for a ps plus inclusion or gamepass inclusion, they can end up with less money and MS or Sony can take a larger percentage of gaming spending while not actually making the games.

there are AA and indie devs who have nothing but praise for what Game Pass has done for their titles..

subscription services bring an extra focus on games that would have likely fallen through the cracks and (depending on the deal) some developers get the entire production cost of their game paid for..

so, at the end of the day, look at the results.. if 3rd party devs weren't benefiting from Game Pass, 3rd party support for the service would dry up.. its not.. arguably, 3rd party support for Game Pass continues to grow..

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@davillain said:
@Antwan3K said:

if that's the case, 3rd party devs should stop puttng their games on Game Pass.. that's a simple solution..

yet, we see ever increasing support for Game Pass with 3rd party content.. 🤷‍♂️

Maybe not all 3rd-party developers are having a hard time recuperating the money if it goes to Game Pass. Some people are better at their jobs than others I guess.

True..

All I'm saying is that any 3rd party developer who signs a Game Pass deal did so voluntarily.. It was a deal they agreed with..