you can flame me all you want but...

...after playing Bioshock for a few days i just now got the ADAM and EVE reference while i was showering today haha

oh and quick question. do tonics stack with each other? (i.e. doesn incinerate stack with incinerate 2 and such?)

...after playing Bioshock for a few days i just now got the ADAM and EVE reference while i was showering today haha

oh and quick question. do tonics stack with each other? (i.e. doesn incinerate stack with incinerate 2 and such?)

drewdelapoots

lol wow i didnt even notice that =/ i guess thats cool

wow ... got some slow learners here, hahah. xraystar

Well then, maybe you will be so kind as to enlighten us all.

How does it tie into Bioshock?

Man, quick on the uptake...

Another reference is Atlas, is in 'Atlas Shrugged', a book by Ayn Rand. It is a horrible book, like 1000 pages of dense text, but it is aparently about capitalism and completely free markets.

I haven't read it, but after reading the Wikipedia entry on it, the plot is very similar to Bioshock's.

the hell! how many people are just realising that now?!?!?!

as if you didnt realise before hehe (you need at least one flamer)

[QUOTE="xraystar"]wow ... got some slow learners here, hahah. bullfrogj3

Well then, maybe you will be so kind as to enlighten us all.

How does it tie into Bioshock?

Very simple, Adam and Eve were the original humans (Not counting Lillith of course :P) Andrew Ryan was the proprietor of Rapture. Adam and Eve made discoveries and lived their lives happily, as did Ryan and the people of Rapture. Eve then ate the apple and released evil into the world, Ryan researched plasmids and tonics, and released evil into his underground city. The snake tempted Eve, by the words spoken in the diaries all over Rapture, Frank Fontaine tempted and pushed Ryan and his subordinates to further research bad things (little sisters, the big daddy). You can see how they sync up.

[QUOTE="ThaSod"]

Another reference is Atlas, is in 'Atlas Shrugged', a book by Ayn Rand. It is a horrible book, like 1000 pages of dense text, but it is aparently about capitalism and completely free markets.

I haven't read it, but after reading the Wikipedia entry on it, the plot is very similar to Bioshock's.

ferdiv

oh, wow...

first, if you haven't read the book, how can you hold yourself out to be an expert on the subject?

how can a book be horrible if you have never read it? did the close to 1,100 pages scare you off? do you only look at picture books?

saying atlas shrugged is about capitalism and completely free markets is like saying bioshock is about water.

the plots are not similar. they share one thing in common, and that is that one man in each story creates a "utopia" (i use that term lightly because of bioshock) that cherishes the individual. you could maybe also draw comparisons in that a main character finds said "utopia" by crashing in a plane.

you're a joke if you think reading the wikipedia entry on atlas shrugged gives you any basis whatsoever to discuss it on any meaningful level. of course, i doubt if you'd read it you'd be able to get any of the philosophy out of it anyway.

for the record...the book's characters are extremely flat; that is its major drawback, but it is an amazing work of literature.

I gasped too when I read that quote

TheSystemLord1 = English Major

[QUOTE="ferdiv"][QUOTE="ThaSod"]

Another reference is Atlas, is in 'Atlas Shrugged', a book by Ayn Rand. It is a horrible book, like 1000 pages of dense text, but it is aparently about capitalism and completely free markets.

I haven't read it, but after reading the Wikipedia entry on it, the plot is very similar to Bioshock's.

TheSystemLord1

oh, wow...

first, if you haven't read the book, how can you hold yourself out to be an expert on the subject?

how can a book be horrible if you have never read it? did the close to 1,100 pages scare you off? do you only look at picture books?

saying atlas shrugged is about capitalism and completely free markets is like saying bioshock is about water.

the plots are not similar. they share one thing in common, and that is that one man in each story creates a "utopia" (i use that term lightly because of bioshock) that cherishes the individual. you could maybe also draw comparisons in that a main character finds said "utopia" by crashing in a plane.

you're a joke if you think reading the wikipedia entry on atlas shrugged gives you any basis whatsoever to discuss it on any meaningful level. of course, i doubt if you'd read it you'd be able to get any of the philosophy out of it anyway.

for the record...the book's characters are extremely flat; that is its major drawback, but it is an amazing work of literature.

I gasped too when I read that quote

TheSystemLord1 = English Major

Hmm I don't see Ferdiv's original post, but thank you systemlord for quoting him.

I never claimed to be an expert on Atlas Shrugged. In fact I clearly said I hadn't read it. I guess what you are arguing is my opinion that it is a horrible book. For the record, I should not have put that in, or at least I should have referenced it, as I basically stole my opinion from South Park. Remember when the police chief learns to read? And the first book he reads is... Atlas Shrugged. And he hated it.

Now for your part, there was no need for the whole 'do you only look at picture books?' comment. I won't try to compare reading libraries with you, as I am not an English major. The whole purpose of my post was that, in addition to the Adam and Eve symbolism, there was a heck of a lot of symbolism borrowed from Ayn Rand, who I'm sure 90% of the posters here have never even heard of.

I retract my 'the book is horrible' comment until I read this book, which playing Bioshock has inspired me to do. Might take a while, though.

i just got that right now, as you posted it.iloverikku11

*slaps forehead*

sod:

the picture book thing was in reference to the fact that you stated that it was a horrible book, and your reason for it being horrible seemed to be that it was 1,000 pages of dense text. i was a little snarky, yeah ;)

it is worth reading. it will take a while and, again, the characters are not the most believable in the world, but it is a thought-provoking book and it is well worth your time.

Actually I was playing today and my girlfriend was like "Did you notice the rwo main powercomponents are called adam and eve" and Like an idiot I replied "pshh yeah" did you just get that now? while I just got it then.skazbot

hahaha you keep on fightin the good fight brother.

Sod (and others who are interested):

You don't necessarilly need to read all of "Atlas Shrugged" to get Ayn Rand's point. somewhere in the second act issection entitled "John Galt Speaks". This is a speech given by one of the characters, and it pretty much sums up Ayn Rand's philosophy of "rational self interest". This is the philosophy advocated by Andrew Ryan in Bioshock. A much quicker read by Ayn Rand, which explores similar issues (though not as completely) is "Anthem". This can be read in a single day, and will give you a claer enough understanding of the foundations of "rational self interest".

Well I am going to check them both out today then- though I still have to finish 1634: The Baltic War. If I can blast through Anthem in a day, maybe I'll hit that one 1st.

Atlas Shrugged is an amazing book. 1000 pages, and you cat put it down.joblue

Atlas Shrugged is an amazing book. 1000 pages, and you cat put it down.joblue

Based on this comment I just looked the book up and read the first page at Amazon. The writer seems to write in small disjointed sentences. I'll pick it up and read a few more when I see it at the book store, but as of now it seems I'm not going to like the writing style.

[QUOTE="joblue"]Atlas Shrugged is an amazing book. 1000 pages, and you cat put it down.rgsniper1

Based on this comment I just looked the book up and read the first page at Amazon. The writer seems to write in small disjointed sentences. I'll pick it up and read a few more when I see it at the book store, but as of now it seems I'm not going to like the writing style.

I just read the 1st page, and it actually looks pretty good.

i would suggest skipping anthem and going for the fountainhead if you don't want to tackle atlas shrugged first. anthem is fine, but the other two are her masterpieces. if i recall, the fountainhead is somewhere on the order of 450 pages.

ayn rand isn't perfect, but she certainly makes you think. her philosophy tends to resonate with libertarian-minded people (of course, i'm generalizing, and this may not apply to everyone).

(edit: i just received notice that my first post was moderated for trolling and that the "Reason for moderation: Intending solely to annoy and/or offend other users." that clearly wasn't the sole intent of my first post, but obviously the moderator and the person who reported me had trouble comprehending that...so...if anyone else has trouble understanding anything, pm me ;) and kudos to gamespot for having such a transparent way to get in touch with the moderators who take action on your account! and to think i paid for this... ;)).

Sod (and others who are interested):

You don't necessarilly need to read all of "Atlas Shrugged" to get Ayn Rand's point. somewhere in the second act issection entitled "John Galt Speaks". This is a speech given by one of the characters, and it pretty much sums up Ayn Rand's philosophy of "rational self interest". This is the philosophy advocated by Andrew Ryan in Bioshock. A much quicker read by Ayn Rand, which explores similar issues (though not as completely) is "Anthem". This can be read in a single day, and will give you a claer enough understanding of the foundations of "rational self interest".

wenzke

I know this is really off topic......but isn'tJohn Galt a cheat in Warcraft 3? Like if you type in whoisjohngalt you unlock research or something like that.

wow ... got some slow learners here, hahah. xraystar

I figured it out while playing the demo.BigDaveyDogz

same here.

[QUOTE="TheSystemLord1"][QUOTE="ferdiv"][QUOTE="ThaSod"]

Another reference is Atlas, is in 'Atlas Shrugged', a book by Ayn Rand. It is a horrible book, like 1000 pages of dense text, but it is aparently about capitalism and completely free markets.

I haven't read it, but after reading the Wikipedia entry on it, the plot is very similar to Bioshock's.

ThaSod

oh, wow...

first, if you haven't read the book, how can you hold yourself out to be an expert on the subject?

how can a book be horrible if you have never read it? did the close to 1,100 pages scare you off? do you only look at picture books?

saying atlas shrugged is about capitalism and completely free markets is like saying bioshock is about water.

the plots are not similar. they share one thing in common, and that is that one man in each story creates a "utopia" (i use that term lightly because of bioshock) that cherishes the individual. you could maybe also draw comparisons in that a main character finds said "utopia" by crashing in a plane.

you're a joke if you think reading the wikipedia entry on atlas shrugged gives you any basis whatsoever to discuss it on any meaningful level. of course, i doubt if you'd read it you'd be able to get any of the philosophy out of it anyway.

for the record...the book's characters are extremely flat; that is its major drawback, but it is an amazing work of literature.

I gasped too when I read that quote

TheSystemLord1 = English Major

Hmm I don't see Ferdiv's original post, but thank you systemlord for quoting him.

I never claimed to be an expert on Atlas Shrugged. In fact I clearly said I hadn't read it. I guess what you are arguing is my opinion that it is a horrible book. For the record, I should not have put that in, or at least I should have referenced it, as I basically stole my opinion from South Park. Remember when the police chief learns to read? And the first book he reads is... Atlas Shrugged. And he hated it.

Now for your part, there was no need for the whole 'do you only look at picture books?' comment. I won't try to compare reading libraries with you, as I am not an English major. The whole purpose of my post was that, in addition to the Adam and Eve symbolism, there was a heck of a lot of symbolism borrowed from Ayn Rand, who I'm sure 90% of the posters here have never even heard of.

I retract my 'the book is horrible' comment until I read this book, which playing Bioshock has inspired me to do. Might take a while, though.

After I found out that the book and game were related (a couple weeks before Bioshock's release) I went to alocal Hasting's that is closing and bought the book for $6. I haven't started it yet (I have to read The Great Gatsby for school first), but I am really looking forward to it.

[QUOTE="xraystar"]wow ... got some slow learners here, hahah. Shade-Blade

OK- Well I am going to assume you are a Zoroastrian who was raised in Outer Mongolia....

Adam and Eve, both commodities in the game of Bioshock, are an obvious reference to the first two people on Earth, according to the Muslim, Jewish and Christian religions.

As this is a basic part of 75% of the cultures of the world, I would recommend going to wikipedia and reading at least the first page of the entry on Genesis.