Will Xbox Live be the same with the new Xbox? Same gamertag, points, etc?

I've been wondering about this: will everything transfer over with the new Xbox? Or will they create a new Xbox Live where you'll have to make new gamertags, and have to purchase new Microsoft points?

I don't think the latter will happen because many users will be mad that they can't transfer their accounts over, but you never know.

Yet, if they do create a new form of Xbox Live, they can probably increase your friends list beyond 99. I remember hearing on the Major Nelson podcast that it's really difficult for them to expand the friends list beyond that number with the current platform. Kind of strange if you think about it. It'd be weird to have limited friends list on Facebook or MySpace. Most online things like that allow you to have an unlimited number of friends.

9 more days until the announcement so hopefully we'll find out soon unless they do what Sony did with their PS4 announcement where they just show the controller and some (notable) games.

Yes it's all the same, it's already shown to be that way with the Windows phones and Windows 8.

There is 100% certainty that it's all going to stay the same. (points may go to actual dollars but that's besides the point)

That's a relief. I think creating a whole new system would have a lot of people angry over having near useless Microsoft Points, and thousands of achievement points on a console that would be eventually set aside and have fewer and fewer people playing it.

Yet, you don't quite have proof since there is no confirmation on this, correct? Just want to be sure.

I asked this question because it seemed like something that (although not confirmed) is most likely going to carry-over to the next Xbox.

Yet, you don't quite have proof since there is no confirmation on this, correct? Just want to be sure.

Gorf_basic

The proof is that there's been two new game platforms made since the Xbox 360 and they use the same exact system.

It's very clear that this is the system that Microsoft wants for their gaming platforms, the new console will be an extension of that.

I've been wondering about this: will everything transfer over with the new Xbox? Or will they create a new Xbox Live where you'll have to make new gamertags, and have to purchase new Microsoft points?

I don't think the latter will happen because many users will be mad that they can't transfer their accounts over, but you never know.

Yet, if they do create a new form of Xbox Live, they can probably increase your friends list beyond 99. I remember hearing on the Major Nelson podcast that it's really difficult for them to expand the friends list beyond that number with the current platform. Kind of strange if you think about it. It'd be weird to have limited friends list on Facebook or MySpace. Most online things like that allow you to have an unlimited number of friends.

9 more days until the announcement so hopefully we'll find out soon unless they do what Sony did with their PS4 announcement where they just show the controller and some (notable) games.

Gorf_basic

It seems pretty clear that Microsoft will transfer over gamertags and (most likely) achievement points, but do you guys think Microsoft Live points will also tranfer over? I have so much remaining after the Black Friday sale, but I can't seem to find a lot of stuff to purchase. I'm naturally stingy with that stuff and don't like 90% DLC out there, and (to me at least) there actually a whole lot of Xbox Live games exclusive to the Xbox that are worth playing (almost all are cheaper on PC).

Also, the transition of Xbox Live from the original Xbox to the 360 is a good point, but from what I remember Xbox Live was a much more simpler and primitive service compared to now. You had your gamertag and your friends list, but that was about it, correct? Were there points at that time? I think not, but I don't remember (maybe there was so little to purchase that very few people actually got Microsoft points). If all three existed and transferred over, then I think I have a near-confirmation there... unless Microsoft does something crazy like not transferring over the points because accounting/tax/etc. purposes while transfering everything else. Probably several upset gamers over that, but it still hasn't been confirmed that the next Xbox won't need to be online all the time.

Their Live setup will stay the same.

It seems pretty clear that Microsoft will transfer over gamertags and (most likely) achievement points, but do you guys think Microsoft Live points will also tranfer over? I have so much remaining after the Black Friday sale, but I can't seem to find a lot of stuff to purchase. I'm naturally stingy with that stuff and don't like 90% DLC out there, and (to me at least) there actually a whole lot of Xbox Live games exclusive to the Xbox that are worth playing (almost all are cheaper on PC).

Also, the transition of Xbox Live from the original Xbox to the 360 is a good point, but from what I remember Xbox Live was a much more simpler and primitive service compared to now. You had your gamertag and your friends list, but that was about it, correct? Were there points at that time? I think not, but I don't remember (maybe there was so little to purchase that very few people actually got Microsoft points). If all three existed and transferred over, then I think I have a near-confirmation there... unless Microsoft does something crazy like not transferring over the points because accounting/tax/etc. purposes while transfering everything else. Probably several upset gamers over that, but it still hasn't been confirmed that the next Xbox won't need to be online all the time.

Gorf_basic

There's nothing to transfer over, Live is Live.

Why do you keep thinking that Live is only an Xbox thing?

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It seems pretty clear that Microsoft will transfer over gamertags and (most likely) achievement points, but do you guys think Microsoft Live points will also tranfer over? I have so much remaining after the Black Friday sale, but I can't seem to find a lot of stuff to purchase. I'm naturally stingy with that stuff and don't like 90% DLC out there, and (to me at least) there actually a whole lot of Xbox Live games exclusive to the Xbox that are worth playing (almost all are cheaper on PC).

Also, the transition of Xbox Live from the original Xbox to the 360 is a good point, but from what I remember Xbox Live was a much more simpler and primitive service compared to now. You had your gamertag and your friends list, but that was about it, correct? Were there points at that time? I think not, but I don't remember (maybe there was so little to purchase that very few people actually got Microsoft points). If all three existed and transferred over, then I think I have a near-confirmation there... unless Microsoft does something crazy like not transferring over the points because accounting/tax/etc. purposes while transfering everything else. Probably several upset gamers over that, but it still hasn't been confirmed that the next Xbox won't need to be online all the time.

Jaysonguy

There's nothing to transfer over, Live is Live.

Why do you keep thinking that Live is only an Xbox thing?

I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from either...

It's actually a Microsoft live account or something, not just an account for when you turn on your xbox. It would require no/very little effort to keep this in place.

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xbox used real currency by creditcards the switch to 360 brought ur tag over but points were new to the xbl and im sure theyll stay as for ms points thats likely to change back to real currency like wiiu and ps3 do

http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-axing-points-report-6408381

No word on what they going to do with current members who have points. Convert points to cash? I don't think they'll do that. Have both cash and point purchases? That seems to be the best way to resolve it.

Or this could be false rumor and Microsoft has no plans to add cash purchases...

http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-axing-points-report-6408381

 

No word on what they going to do with current members who have points. Convert points to cash? I don't think they'll do that. Have both cash and point purchases? That seems to be the best way to resolve it.

Or this could be false rumor and Microsoft has no plans to add cash purchases...

Gorf_basic

Not seeing why they couldn't just convert the points to cash...

Not seeing why they couldn't just convert the points to cash...

Tax or other financial reasons I think. Not an accountant or a tax lawyer though. It seems much more complicated and probably more expensive to convert all remaining points to cash. And there is that thing that people paid different amounts for their points. Anyways, I think the basic problem is people already bought the points with cash and then convert the points back into cash. Simpler and cheaper just to have two prices for DLC and other stuff on Marketplace? You can either pay $5 or 400 points rather then converting all outstanding points to cash. Just a feeling I have though.

Not seeing why they couldn't just convert the points to cash...

Gorf_basic

Tax or other financial reasons I think. Not an accountant or a tax lawyer though. It seems much more complicated and probably more expensive to convert all remaining points to cash. And there is that thing that people paid different amounts for their points. Anyways, I think the basic problem is people already bought the points with cash and then convert the points back into cash. Simpler and cheaper just to have two prices for DLC and other stuff on Marketplace? You can either pay $5 or 400 points rather then converting all outstanding points to cash. Just a feeling I have though.

They just need to get rid of the point system, doesn't matter how. Having both is pointless, and points were a bad idea in the first place.

Not seeing why they couldn't just convert the points to cash...

Gorf_basic

Tax or other financial reasons I think. Not an accountant or a tax lawyer though. It seems much more complicated and probably more expensive to convert all remaining points to cash. And there is that thing that people paid different amounts for their points. Anyways, I think the basic problem is people already bought the points with cash and then convert the points back into cash. Simpler and cheaper just to have two prices for DLC and other stuff on Marketplace? You can either pay $5 or 400 points rather then converting all outstanding points to cash. Just a feeling I have though.

No, it's the same thing

There are no restrictions at all about converting points to money. People spent money to get those points and they can't get their money back no matter if they're points or money.

It's a non issue.

No, it's the same thing

There are no restrictions at all about converting points to money. People spent money to get those points and they can't get their money back no matter if they're points or money.

It's a non issue.

Jaysonguy

They can't get their money back? Or did you mean to say that they can get their money back?

Are you saying that Microsoft can easily issue money back to point holders? Or that it's an impossibility?

How are you so certain it's a non-issue?

We can't currently convert our points into dollars and I doubt that would be an option in the future. Microsoft is not going to issue checks to zero out people's live points. I'd be really surprised if they did that.

Only thing more surprising would be if they just voided remaining points by making them useless. That would probably create some lawsuits from angry consumers if they did that.

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No, it's the same thing

There are no restrictions at all about converting points to money. People spent money to get those points and they can't get their money back no matter if they're points or money.

It's a non issue.

Gorf_basic

They can't get their money back? Or did you mean to say that they can get their money back?

Are you saying that Microsoft can easily issue money back to point holders? Or that it's an impossibility?

How are you so certain it's a non-issue?

We can't currently convert our points into dollars and I doubt that would be an option in the future. Microsoft is not going to issue checks to zero out people's live points. I'd be really surprised if they did that.

Only thing more surprising would be if they just voided remaining points by making them useless. That would probably create some lawsuits from angry consumers if they did that.

They can not

You're really making this 100 times harder then it needs to be.

I buy 80 points for a dollar and have it applied to my Live account, Microsoft decides that they'd rather do money instead of points and they turn my 80 points into one dollar. Now I didn't gain anything and they didn't have to account for any kind of change.

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No, it's the same thing

There are no restrictions at all about converting points to money. People spent money to get those points and they can't get their money back no matter if they're points or money.

It's a non issue.

Jaysonguy

They can't get their money back? Or did you mean to say that they can get their money back?

Are you saying that Microsoft can easily issue money back to point holders? Or that it's an impossibility?

How are you so certain it's a non-issue?

We can't currently convert our points into dollars and I doubt that would be an option in the future. Microsoft is not going to issue checks to zero out people's live points. I'd be really surprised if they did that.

Only thing more surprising would be if they just voided remaining points by making them useless. That would probably create some lawsuits from angry consumers if they did that.

They can not

You're really making this 100 times harder then it needs to be.

I buy 80 points for a dollar and have it applied to my Live account, Microsoft decides that they'd rather do money instead of points and they turn my 80 points into one dollar. Now I didn't gain anything and they didn't have to account for any kind of change.

Tell them again...

Why in the hell is this so difficult for people to comprehend? 

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They can't get their money back? Or did you mean to say that they can get their money back?

Are you saying that Microsoft can easily issue money back to point holders? Or that it's an impossibility?

How are you so certain it's a non-issue?

We can't currently convert our points into dollars and I doubt that would be an option in the future. Microsoft is not going to issue checks to zero out people's live points. I'd be really surprised if they did that.

Only thing more surprising would be if they just voided remaining points by making them useless. That would probably create some lawsuits from angry consumers if they did that.

Blueresident87

They can not

You're really making this 100 times harder then it needs to be.

I buy 80 points for a dollar and have it applied to my Live account, Microsoft decides that they'd rather do money instead of points and they turn my 80 points into one dollar. Now I didn't gain anything and they didn't have to account for any kind of change.

Tell them again...

Why in the hell is this so difficult for people to comprehend?