Play Game in HDTV 720P is Better or 1080i ?

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#1 Benyaminj
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Play Game in HDTV  720P is Better or 1080i ? and why?
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#2 Kosai_Avonej
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Play Game in HDTV 720P is Better or 1080i ? and why?Benyaminj
Beats me, I'm using S-Video and I can't see a visual different betewn 720p and 1080i since the console upscales 576i to 720p ( albiet I'm on a 32 inch Sharp LCD HDTV ) and what not.
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#3 JasonWI
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I have a 50 inch Samsung, and I dont see any difference between 720p and 1080i. They both look equally great.
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#4 trickmyster13
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Use your televison's native resolution to everyone who replied in this thread.
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#5 trickmyster13
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[QUOTE="Benyaminj"]Play Game in HDTV 720P is Better or 1080i ? and why?Kosai_Avonej
Beats me, I'm using S-Video and I can't see a visual different betewn 720p and 1080i since the console upscales 576i to 720p ( albiet I'm on a 32 inch Sharp LCD HDTV ) and what not.

S-video is not capable of rendering HD, the xbox renders everything in 720p then upscales or downscales according to what you chose in the options blade.
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#6 xboxps2cube
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720p is better than 1080i period. higher do not always mean better.
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#7 Rossdaboss777
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360 is native 720p and most games run better in 720p so yea 720p is the way 2 go
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#8 curtkobain
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Use your televison's native resolution to everyone who replied in this thread.trickmyster13
how do you know your tv's native resolution?
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#9 bernardrea
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i have a hdtv and its native resolution is 1366 768 i run mine at 720p cos this runs at 60 fps with 1080i it drops to 30fps plus i cant see any difference in quality between the 2

hope this helps

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#10 jamesgj
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The xbox 360 on 1080i on a 1080p projector (sony VW50) Dosen't look any different then 720 but when I plug in VGA and put it at 1080 there's improvement most likely because the xbox 360 up-scales all games to 1080p for those with larger resolutions.
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#11 danneswegman
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yes, 720P is better for gaming.
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#12 dogsounds
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720p is classed as a native resolution for most games, i.e. this is the maximum and optimal setting they are designed to run in, so you are seeing the game as intended.

If you switch to 1080i, your are "forcing" the 360 (or TV) to upscale the image to a higher resolution. The difference is in the "i" - the image signal is interlaced - this means that first, the screen displays half the lines of the image (e.g. line one, line 3, line 5), then it goes back and displays all the lines inbetween these that it missed on the first, but so fast that hopefully you shouldn't notice it. However, this can  produce noticeable artefacts on the screen - it can lead to a very slight loss in quality, and in some cases (dependent how fast the TV refreshes the screen and the framerate, and also how cheap a TV it is) fast on-screen movement can produce visible "tearing" or smearing. Now, most folks might not even notice it, but like I said, it depends on the quality of  the screen. It's not too different (although not quite as drastic) from watching a normal TV signal on a big LCD screen - it looks pretty crappy because the stanrd 480p signal is being upscaled to match your hi-def ready TV

Now, 1080p, on the other hand, does not interlace, and should be a simple upscaled verson of 720p so should maintain a decent picture. If you TV supports 1080p, then it may be worth trying that for fun and ignoring 1080i altogether.

At the moment, I think only one game (Virtua Tennis? I'm mot sure) is the only one designed to run in 1080p, so you will be best with 720p. Eventually, as more TV's come with native 1080p built in, we might see more game developers building that into their games, That will look awesome!

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#13 ayrtonk
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true. 720p is a higher high def then 1080i, dont ask me why it's just something to do with the "i" displaying half the screen at a time and the "p" displays the whole screen at the same time or somethin like that
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I have a 50 inch Samsung, and I dont see any difference between 720p and 1080i. They both look equally great. JasonWI
True that..1080i satisfies me greatly.
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#15 lge777
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I do notice a difference in the shaded areas the 1080i has a clearer picture in dark areas  Gears Of War in 1080i was much better then 720p but in Madden 07 720p seem to look better
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#16 newmanmaster
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yeah 720 is better for games.
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#17 deigo
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I play my games in 1080i all the time and it looks good mainly for gears of war. I never tried playing in 720p though is there really a noticable difference?
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#18 deigo
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LOL never mind i juss tried it out in 720p and wow it actually looks better than 1080i (for games)
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These threads will never make sense as long as people always assume because a tv says it "supports" both 720p and 1080i that it can actually "display" both when their tv has one native resolution. The best picture is the resolution that matches that.

It's more complicated with 1366*768 resolution screens, seeing as that is higher than 720p. Like sometimes downscaling, say an HD movie, from 1080i down to 1366*768 would show more detail on the screen compared to upscaling 720p to 1366*768.

For games though, it's best to just set it to 720p unless you actually have a real CRT 1080i tv, then pick 1080i.
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These threads will never make sense as long as people always assume because a tv says it "supports" both 720p and 1080i that it can actually "display" both when their tv has one native resolution. The best picture is the resolution that matches that.

It's more complicated with 1366*768 resolution screens, seeing as that is higher than 720p. Like sometimes downscaling, say an HD movie, from 1080i down to 1366*768 would show more detail on the screen compared to upscaling 720p to 1366*768.

For games though, it's best to just set it to 720p unless you actually have a real CRT 1080i tv, then pick 1080i.
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You're oversimplifying this - it's not about resolution - it's about reducing the amount of scaling that has to occur, and removing things that destroy image, such as interlacin Interlaced signal + progressive-scan only set (LCD) = sinfully bad image quality. Your eyes might not be able to see the difference, fine, there is a huge difference to me from 480i to 480p and another huge one from 1080i (which should be called 540i) to 720p. 1080i is a lower image quality than 720p. Period. "real" CRT HDTVs absolutely suck. There is not a single crt-hdtv on the market that doesn't have convergence issues and a low actual display resolution. CRT produces great blacks and colors, but the beam was never meant to trace a narrow rectangle - the technology isn't there, the distortion is. 720p is *the* way to go.
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#21 dreamscott
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1080i = Rear Projection HDTV's

720p = LCD and DLP HDTV's

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#22 Zach001
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I have a Philips 37PF9731 D/10 LCD Tv. It has a native resolution of 1080 pixels. But the max resolution i can get as input is 1080i. The tv can accept all resolutions except 1080p. When I select the 1080i resolution on my 360 i can see clearly a sharper picture (when the 360 is on the dashboard). Also when I play at 1080i my games look sharper than when i play at 720p. So for me it's clearly, take the native resolution of your tv. Period
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#23 TimothyB
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1080i = Rear Projection HDTV's

720p = LCD and DLP HDTV's

dreamscott


Umm, DLPs are rear projections themselves, so are there LCD rear projections, and other types.
 
1080i = CRT tvs, anything else is progressive.
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#24 TimothyB
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[QUOTE="TimothyB"]These threads will never make sense as long as people always assume because a tv says it "supports" both 720p and 1080i that it can actually "display" both when their tv has one native resolution. The best picture is the resolution that matches that.

It's more complicated with 1366*768 resolution screens, seeing as that is higher than 720p. Like sometimes downscaling, say an HD movie, from 1080i down to 1366*768 would show more detail on the screen compared to upscaling 720p to 1366*768.

For games though, it's best to just set it to 720p unless you actually have a real CRT 1080i tv, then pick 1080i.
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You're oversimplifying this - it's not about resolution - it's about reducing the amount of scaling that has to occur, and removing things that destroy image, such as interlacin Interlaced signal + progressive-scan only set (LCD) = sinfully bad image quality. Your eyes might not be able to see the difference, fine, there is a huge difference to me from 480i to 480p and another huge one from 1080i (which should be called 540i) to 720p. 1080i is a lower image quality than 720p. Period. "real" CRT HDTVs absolutely suck. There is not a single crt-hdtv on the market that doesn't have convergence issues and a low actual display resolution. CRT produces great blacks and colors, but the beam was never meant to trace a narrow rectangle - the technology isn't there, the distortion is. 720p is *the* way to go.



I think you meant to say 540p instead of 540i, right?

Anyway, scaling and deinterlacing quality depends on the tv. But 1080i60 technically has the exact same detail as 1080p30. Which means if you had a 1080p tv and a HD-DVD player that only ouputted upto 1080i. You would certainly pick 1080i since a good 1080p tv does inverse teceline to turn change it back to 1080p, while not as prefect as straight 1080p, but still leads ahead of 720p.

Any many videophiles play HD movies at 1080i on their 768p tvs because it looks better than upscaling 720p. That is if your tv is high end with a good scaler, not just a budget $500 LCD tv.

Also, all Blu-ray and HD-DVD players when outputting 1080p60 have to convert the 1080p24 off the discs by first changing it to 1080i60, then to 1080p60. Only way around that is a player that does striaght 1080p24 output, which not all 1080p tvs support. Normally, a player will do that last step, 1080i60 to 1080p60, better than tvs would. Though, this made Blu-rays 1080p playback a moot point when it came out since it was twice as expensive than HD-DVD to just have that 1080p when your tv could practically do that for you (the last inverse teceline step).

Let me know if I got something wrong, but that's generally how I see things.
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#25 bg_fernandez
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720p is better simply because it's progressive
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#26 bg_fernandez
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720p is better simply because it's progressive
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#27 jmartinez1983
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[QUOTE="Benyaminj"]Play Game in HDTV 720P is Better or 1080i ? and why?Kosai_Avonej
Beats me, I'm using S-Video and I can't see a visual different betewn 720p and 1080i since the console upscales 576i to 720p ( albiet I'm on a 32 inch Sharp LCD HDTV ) and what not.

Far as I know S-video caps out at something like 480i, so the fact that the system upscales does nothing since the cable can't handle it. (I think this is the case, not totally sure). Anyway, to the OP, definitely use the native resolution for your TV if possible. If your TV can handle both, use 720p for the cleanest and crispest picture.