Backwards Compatability,What the hell is microsoft doing!Aaaaghh!

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#1 CelticWolfXII
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The backwards compatabilty list was just updated and not one game I was waiting for came up!Instead games like bad boys 2 and minority report were put on.It says on the site that Microsoft will take in all the requests for backwards compatible games and get working on the most popular.But I refuse to believe that anyone nominated games like these for selection.What the hell are they playing at!!I iz well angry.
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#2 angelosand
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Question, what the hell are you talking about, Doom 3, lego star wars and SW battlefront I is B/C now, All the good games are takin care of, cept Conker..
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#3 Tatusmi
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if you wanna play xbox games... buy an xbox. if you wanna play 360 games... buy a 360. I don't know why people are making such a big deal about this. - Tatusmi
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#4 Devallyk
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But I refuse to believe that anyone nominated games like these for selection.CelticWolfXII

I've been over this so many times I can recite it in my sleep these days.

No, you're right. nobody nominated Bad Boys II. It works because it runs on similar coding and game engines to a different emulated game.

The BC process works something like this: Microsoft pick a game. For the sake of argument, let's say Doom3. Their guys start building interpretation code for the 360 hardware to recognize the game. They tune the code some more, then test it again. And again. Then retune it some more. More testing. Revise the code again, test again. Check through the game for bugs and glitches, retune the emulation code accordingly. More tests.

This is why making emulators takes a long time, by the way.

Once they have a code they're happy with, they test it against every single Xbox game on the market. Every single one, to see if it interferes with codes already created, and to see if any games as yet un-emulated, work.

So now, in theory, let us say that Bad Boys II was built on the same engine as Doom3. When the team come to test BBII against their new D3 emulator, they find that it works. BaBoom! Add that game to the list.

Therefore, nobody chose such a dire game and spent time creating code. It's simply piggy-backing on another game's emulator. This is why trash like Barbie and Drake made the cut as well. They happened to work, they weren't projects all to themselves.

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#5 josh_adams_podg
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hey dreamfall a good game
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#6 GPAddict
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hey dreamfall a good game josh_adams_podg

YA! And I am happy I get to play it finally.

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#7 alienhunter187
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Devallyk...don't even bother. People here just won't listen. 
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#8 celica128
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[QUOTE="CelticWolfXII"]But I refuse to believe that anyone nominated games like these for selection.Devallyk

I've been over this so many times I can recite it in my sleep these days.

No, you're right. nobody nominated Bad Boys II. It works because it runs on similar coding and game engines to a different emulated game.

The BC process works something like this: Microsoft pick a game. For the sake of argument, let's say Doom3. Their guys start building interpretation code for the 360 hardware to recognize the game. They tune the code some more, then test it again. And again. Then retune it some more. More testing. Revise the code again, test again. Check through the game for bugs and glitches, retune the emulation code accordingly. More tests.

This is why making emulators takes a long time, by the way.

Once they have a code they're happy with, they test it against every single Xbox game on the market. Every single one, to see if it interferes with codes already created, and to see if any games as yet un-emulated, work.

So now, in theory, let us say that Bad Boys II was built on the same engine as Doom3. When the team come to test BBII against their new D3 emulator, they find that it works. BaBoom! Add that game to the list.

Therefore, nobody chose such a dire game and spent time creating code. It's simply piggy-backing on another game's emulator. This is why trash like Barbie and Drake made the cut as well. They happened to work, they weren't projects all to themselves.

Another fantastic post by Devallyk.

Completely true statement, all the way. That's the problem with Backward's compatibility, is that by adding games to the list you can limit others from becoming part of that list.

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#9 EnderSR388
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Ok, one thing that I don't understand is why Microsoft wouldn't make sure ALL of it's own games work?? Sure we have Forza and Halo 1 and 2, along with Fable, Crimson Skies and some others, but I mean how come Counter-Strike isn't BC yet? It was popular on XBL, right?
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Question, what the hell are you talking about, Doom 3, lego star wars and SW battlefront I is B/C now, All the good games are takin care of, cept Conker..angelosand


Conker as you said
Otogi
Otogi 2
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Riddick
Bloodrayne 2
Elder Scrolls III
Soul Calibur II

Hardly all the good games are being taken care of.

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#11 CelticWolfXII
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Well okay,thanks, ya certainly cleared that up for me,now I know why **** keep appearing on the list.Still tho,Im just bitter cause none of the brothers in arms series are on it yet.Earned in blood just wont run properly on my xbox,so I figure it should run a smoother on my 360(Tho I know thats not guaranteed).
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#13 V-taradon-V
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Once again, time splitters is my only real concern. Besides, minority report is an awesome game... with all the cheats on you jump and he flys into thing and breaks them while dressed as a clown.
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#14 GingeOnGinger
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Yer i want TimeSplitters: Future Perfect and X-Men Legends, does no-one else like X-Men Legends? Because ive seen no one ask for it. It is Good. Honest! :D
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[QUOTE="CelticWolfXII"]But I refuse to believe that anyone nominated games like these for selection.Devallyk

I've been over this so many times I can recite it in my sleep these days.

No, you're right. nobody nominated Bad Boys II. It works because it runs on similar coding and game engines to a different emulated game.

The BC process works something like this: Microsoft pick a game. For the sake of argument, let's say Doom3. Their guys start building interpretation code for the 360 hardware to recognize the game. They tune the code some more, then test it again. And again. Then retune it some more. More testing. Revise the code again, test again. Check through the game for bugs and glitches, retune the emulation code accordingly. More tests.

This is why making emulators takes a long time, by the way.

Once they have a code they're happy with, they test it against every single Xbox game on the market. Every single one, to see if it interferes with codes already created, and to see if any games as yet un-emulated, work.

So now, in theory, let us say that Bad Boys II was built on the same engine as Doom3. When the team come to test BBII against their new D3 emulator, they find that it works. BaBoom! Add that game to the list.

Therefore, nobody chose such a dire game and spent time creating code. It's simply piggy-backing on another game's emulator. This is why trash like Barbie and Drake made the cut as well. They happened to work, they weren't projects all to themselves.

Preach it man.....I don't get why people are unable to grasp this concept....lol
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Umm SPIDER-MAN 2
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#17 Fredrick2003x
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Backwards compatibility is a nice feature, but if you want to play Xbox games, buy an xbox.  If you want to play Playstation games, but the # of the platform you want (1,2,3).  
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#18 carpon
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Backwards compatibility is a nice feature, but if you want to play Xbox games, buy an xbox.  If you want to play Playstation games, but the # of the platform you want (1,2,3).  Fredrick2003x

Well technically, you'd only have to buy a PS3, because it plays all playstation games out of the box.

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#19 jacksheets
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WTF!!! What about games that were just completly left out?

I mean, who here wants to play barbie on the 360? I sure dont. what about games like Mercenaries? or the Madden/NCAA series? The Brothers in Arms series? Call of Duty? These games should be on the list.

ithinkitsdead
Obviously you didn't read the reply explaining the reasons why. I love when people just hit reply and start rambling without taking less than a minute to read what has already been posted.
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[QUOTE="josh_adams_podg"]hey dreamfall a good game GPAddict

YA! And I am happy I get to play it finally.


o seriously, i didnt know the game made the bc list

sweet, ive always wanted to play this game, but my original xbox broke
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[QUOTE="CelticWolfXII"]But I refuse to believe that anyone nominated games like these for selection.Devallyk

I've been over this so many times I can recite it in my sleep these days.

No, you're right. nobody nominated Bad Boys II. It works because it runs on similar coding and game engines to a different emulated game.

The BC process works something like this: Microsoft pick a game. For the sake of argument, let's say Doom3. Their guys start building interpretation code for the 360 hardware to recognize the game. They tune the code some more, then test it again. And again. Then retune it some more. More testing. Revise the code again, test again. Check through the game for bugs and glitches, retune the emulation code accordingly. More tests.

This is why making emulators takes a long time, by the way.

Once they have a code they're happy with, they test it against every single Xbox game on the market. Every single one, to see if it interferes with codes already created, and to see if any games as yet un-emulated, work.

So now, in theory, let us say that Bad Boys II was built on the same engine as Doom3. When the team come to test BBII against their new D3 emulator, they find that it works. BaBoom! Add that game to the list.

Therefore, nobody chose such a dire game and spent time creating code. It's simply piggy-backing on another game's emulator. This is why trash like Barbie and Drake made the cut as well. They happened to work, they weren't projects all to themselves.

Thank you. I just ignore these types of threads because I dont feel like explaining how it works over and over. Maybe I should just save it in word and pase it.........
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2 words ... The Warriors
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they need to get freedom fighters on there i want to replay it
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#24 NeverSuccumb
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I agree with Microsoft being a little strange in their BC choices, hell I had Mech Assault 1 and 2, Chronicals of Riddick, Stars Wars: Republic Commando, Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast, and none are BC (yet). There're still alot of good games that are BC like Ninja Gaiden Black, Doom 3, and Fable. Sure it's great to add awesome XBOX games to your 360 collection, but if you have a 360 and you're loving the next-gen graphics, power, and gameplay, just stick with it, save the money for 360 games coming later down the road instead of waiting for XBOX games that are gonna be a hit or miss as far as BC goes.
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I want the rest of the PoP series. :)
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[QUOTE="ithinkitsdead"]

WTF!!! What about games that were just completly left out?

I mean, who here wants to play barbie on the 360? I sure dont. what about games like Mercenaries? or the Madden/NCAA series? The Brothers in Arms series? Call of Duty? These games should be on the list.

jacksheets

Obviously you didn't read the reply explaining the reasons why. I love when people just hit reply and start rambling without taking less than a minute to read what has already been posted.

LOL it is pretty funny, considering the BC list includes Madden and Call of Duty, as well as COunter Striker who someone complained about before.

I would presonally like to see Timesplitters FP so I can get some good four player MP matches going with my friends.

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WHERE THE HELL IS SPIDER-MAN 2!
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i want Unreal Championship 2...
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[QUOTE="Tatusmi"]if you wanna play xbox games... buy an xbox. if you wanna play 360 games... buy a 360. I don't know why people are making such a big deal about this. - Tatusmi

Because people have 360s and don't want to have their old Xbox around just to play old games. I don't see why any of this would bother you.
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#30 jacksheets
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It's funny how some of you take Microsoft for complete fools. If it were that easy they would just concentrate on the highest grossing titles first such as many of the games you've complained for (Unreal Championship 2, Riddick, etc). Unfortunately making a game backwards compatible isn't that easy, if it were these games would have been in the first batch. Take the time to learn whats going on with the issue before you start spouting off at the mouth like an uninformed adolescent (oh wait...).
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Once again, time splitters is my only real concern. Besides, minority report is an awesome game... with all the cheats on you jump and he flys into thing and breaks them while dressed as a clown.V-taradon-V
yeah i feel ya i want to play ts3 but i cant and i also want to play mercenaries
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still waiting for greg hasting pro paintball max'd

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[QUOTE="Saruman1719"]
Question, what the hell are you talking about, Doom 3, lego star wars and SW battlefront I is B/C now, All the good games are takin care of, cept Conker..angelosand


Conker as you said
Otogi
Otogi 2
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Riddick
Bloodrayne 2
Elder Scrolls III
Soul Calibur II

Hardly all the good games are being taken care of.



OH you know what else? JET SET RADIO FUTURE
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#34 jmartinez1983
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The only three I'm waiting on are Riddick, Phantom Dust and Panzer Dragoon. Phantom Dust the most tho, for sure. It will be annoying to not have all my old arsenals to work with, but PD was the best multiplayer on Xbox, it dominated my life on Live for the longest time, including Halo 2. In fact it was what knocked Halo 2 out of my system.
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#35 mura89
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as long as they keep working on the list, it's ok at list there working on the backwards compatability problem of there console not like someone else.