Any xbox bundles that doesn't have kinect?

Hey so I saw these bundles and I was wondering which is the best. All of these are 250 gb silm model

• http://www.walmart.com/ip/Xbox-360-Customer-Choice-Bundle/7964864This one comes with 2 controllers and a game (Might get crysis 2 or homefront from this one) for $300
• http://www.walmart.com/ip/Xbox-360-250GB-Console-w-Bonus-Games-Forza-3-Alan-Wake/16386189This one has 1 controlelr but 2 games (alan wake and Forza 3) for $300

I can't find anymore other than the standard 250 gb with kinect or something so if you find any other please let me know :D. Just as long as its new, doesn't have kniect in it and 250.I checked Newegg, Frys, bestbuy, costco, sams, ebay, wal mart, amazon and kmart but these are the only bundles that I could find that actually good.

Whichever one suits you better.Get the 2 controller one if you have alot of friends or such over at your house or get the 2 game one if youre mainly playin by yourself or on xbox live.

This is really a black and white question here.

EDIT: btw get homefront, epic game imo :D

Why wpould you not want Kinect? I'm telling you once E3 hits, I think MS is going to show off a ton of Kinect titles beyond the party/dance type games. I personally expect Kinect to have a very bright future!

I just bought the Forza3/Alan Wake bundle. Happy with it, highly reccommended.

Whoah! The choice is between a 4GB console, Crysis 2 and an extra controller for $299, or a 250GB console, Alan Wake and Forza 3? Get the 250GB version! Not sure what the price for the 4GB model is in the U.S. but in Canada you can get it (at GameStop) for $129 and then add Crysis 2 and controller and you're spending $249 plus tax.

Something doesn't seem right.