A series' most popular title is often strongly loathed by long time fans!

I noticed that the most popular installment of a huge franchise such as Final Fantasy seem to be strongly loathed by long time fans of the franchise who has been playing the game franchise prior to its most popular installment's release.Here are very BIG EXAMPLES I NOTICE:

1)The Elder Scrolls

The fourth installment,The Elder Scrolls 4:Oblivion,is the highest selling installment of this RPG series and is considered by many casual gamers to be the best WRPG ever.But long time fans who have been with this series since the first title,The Elder Scrolls Arena,considers this installment to be the worst in the whole franchise.Instead most long time Elder Scrolls fans agree that The Elder Scrolls 2:Daggerfall is the best in the series.

2)Fallout

Fallout 3 has been a mega hit,having sold over 4 millionand is now beloved by casual gamers.But fans who have played the first 2 Fallout games back in the 90s really hate Fallout 3 and calls it a disgrace to the Fallout franchise.They will say notthing but bad things about Fallout 3.

3)Resident Evil

Resident Evil 4 is the top selling installment in the RE franchise and is considered by critics to be the best in the series.But longtime RE fans strongly dislike this game and criticize it for taking out key features of the franchise.Long time RE fans often say this game is the worst in the series.

4)Final Fantasy

As you all now,Final Fantasy 7 sold over 7 million copies world wide and is considered by many people who were introduced to the franchise by this installment to be the best RPG ever.But long time Final Fantasy fans who have been with the FInal Fantasy since the SNES days hardly calls Final Fantasy even near one of the best in the franchise.Instead most longtime FF fans consider Final Fantasy 4 or Final Fantasy 6 hand down the best in the series.Long time FF fans will not hesitate at bashing this FF7 and will often post forums about how Final Fantasy 7 is overrated,how it sucks,how it is the worst in the franchise,and every other insults they could post about FF7.

Any of you noticed this too?That long time fans of a franchise tends to strongly dislike the most popular installment of the franchise and will do everything they can to bash and insult the most popular installment of their beloved franchise?

And some long time fans like those games.

It's always the haters that go out of their way to make themselves heard.

It's kind of like Heavy Metal bands; you gotta keep it tr00.

"Hey, did you like the new Summoning album?"

"WHEN IT COMES TO SUMMONING, ONLY THE EARLY DEMOS ARE REAL! EVERYTHING ELSE IS FAKE!"

Mostly the "really popular title" is dumbed down compared to the other titles in the series.

That which gets fans gets haters on the same amount. And as its been said, most popular mean its generally dumbed down to attract more people.

Mostly the "really popular title" is dumbed down compared to the other titles in the series.

Yandere

Resident Evil 4 was Hated among long time fans!?:shock:

Popularity and haters seem to go hand in hand in all forms of entertainment.

Resident Evil 4 was Hated among long time fans!?:shock:

LegatoSkyheart

There does seem to be a small faction of RE fans who want the series to return to the original style, tank-like controls and all

Popularity and haters seem to go hand in hand in all forms of entertainment.

Juken7

If they hated popularity then why would they buy the other games in the series listed? I simply think people want the series to stay in its roots, when I get into a video game series I expect the sequel to have the same sort of gameplay/concept as the previous game that I enjoyed. I wouldn't like it if I was a big fan of the first Fallout then see the series transform into a FPS RPG.

You can thank these. ;)

[QUOTE="Juken7"]

Popularity and haters seem to go hand in hand in all forms of entertainment.

Yandere

If they hated popularity then why would they buy the other games in the series listed? I simply think people want the series to stay in its roots, when I get into a video game series I expect the sequel to have the same sort of gameplay/concept as the previous game that I enjoyed. I wouldn't like it if I was a big fan of the first Fallout then see the series transform into a FPS RPG.

Resident Evil 4 was Hated among long time fans!?:shock:

LegatoSkyheart

[QUOTE="Juken7"]

Popularity and haters seem to go hand in hand in all forms of entertainment.

Yandere

If they hated popularity then why would they buy the other games in the series listed? I simply think people want the series to stay in its roots, when I get into a video game series I expect the sequel to have the same sort of gameplay/concept as the previous game that I enjoyed. I wouldn't like it if I was a big fan of the first Fallout then see the series transform into a FPS RPG.

You misinterpret what I meant. I can understand why people are upset with Fallout, Oblivion, FFXII, and others that greatly change or dumb down the series.

I was more making a general comment about how people react to things they dont like that are popular. For example, Halo, CoD, Metal Gear, FF, etc get way more hate in the gaming world because they are popular. And sometimes fans within a series have this sort of reaction to popular installments, too.

Resident Evil 4 was Hated among long time fans!?:shock:

LegatoSkyheart

Some. Mostly because it doesn't really play like a Resident Evil game.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="Juken7"]

Popularity and haters seem to go hand in hand in all forms of entertainment.

Juken7

If they hated popularity then why would they buy the other games in the series listed? I simply think people want the series to stay in its roots, when I get into a video game series I expect the sequel to have the same sort of gameplay/concept as the previous game that I enjoyed. I wouldn't like it if I was a big fan of the first Fallout then see the series transform into a FPS RPG.

You misinterpret what I meant. I can understand why people are upset with Fallout, Oblivion, FFXII, and others that greatly change or dumb down the series.

I was more making a general comment about how people react to things they dont like that are popular. For example, Halo, CoD, Metal Gear, FF, etc get way more hate in the gaming world because they are popular.

It's a natural tendency for old-timers to keep their nostalgia goggles on. For without them, they cannot see what they want to see.

Yeah, but the CoD guys have a reason at least. The change from CoD 2/3 style gameplay to CoD 4 style alienated a lot of the old fans. Some people also generally dislike some series. There's a lot of posters on this board that hate Halo, MGS, FF, etc for valid reasons. But I see your point.DarkLink77

I'm guilty of it too sometimes. I've hated on Halo and CoD in the past more than I otherwise would simply because lots of people love em and I don't. It's something I have to try to change about myself!!! :P

I was i die hard Halo fan till Halo2, i hated the story for that game. then i was hoping Halo 3 would fix that,but all bungie did for Halo 3 was focus on theMP gamers not the SP people.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Yeah, but the CoD guys have a reason at least. The change from CoD 2/3 style gameplay to CoD 4 style alienated a lot of the old fans. Some people also generally dislike some series. There's a lot of posters on this board that hate Halo, MGS, FF, etc for valid reasons. But I see your point.Juken7

I'm guilty of it too sometimes. I've hated on Halo and CoD in the past more than I otherwise would simply because lots of people love em and I don't. It's something I have to try to change about myself!!! :P

It's true. The most popular, mainstream titles are usually the most dumbed down, ie, The Elder Scrolls(Oblivion), Fallout(3), Call of Duty(Modern Warfare 2), etc. Greed is getting the best of more and more developers and they make games simpler for the mainstream casual market, and end up alienating the fans. I sure as hell hope GSC Gamee World doesn't end up like this.

Half of it is nostalgia and the other half is higher expectations.

This... it works in every genre too..

Dues EX 1 was great until they made the 2nd game for the xbox and it was linear with small areas and a bad plot... dumbed down the rpg elemets , took out stats, and it just sucked comapred to the PC original!!!

Call of Duty Series.... When it went to consoles as the main platform in MW2, they took out lean, took out dedicated servers and took out large player counts... effectiivly "dumbing down" the game!

Ghost Recon -- > GHost recon on the PC was a hardcore strategy shooter when it went to the Consoles with GRAW it got "dumbed down" to an action game.

Baldur's Gate --> Console versions of Baldurs gate 1 and 2 were nothing like the PC versions and just Diablo clones (good games for what they were but they pale in comparison to the PC Games.)

Unreal 3 (UT99, UT03/04 were ****c pc arena based shooters and when unreal tornament 3 went to console it lost the "Tornament" part and became Unreal 3 it took out server browsers, dedicated servers , and all the models looked like gears of war clones.. plus the pc version had Console menus with no graphic tweaks... It was a slap in the face to all PC gamers waiting years for this game!!!

I guess it's really games being Consolized.. .what we pc gamers used to call "consolitis" , a dreaded disease which alienates fans and kills franchise appeal for selling out for big bucks from the casual console crowd.se appeal for selling out for big bucks from the casual console crowd.

Well, seeing as the most popular titles tend to be watered down, easy to beat/play entries that take a steaming crap on the earlier titles, yeah...it's kinda logical the longtime fans will loath them.

jg4xchamp-Regardless of what you think of The Elder Scrolls series,mllions of casual gamers bought Oblivion and consider it the best WRPG ever.As for boring as hell,you obviously haven't played the second Elder Scrolls game,Daggerfall.IMHO Daggerfall is the best game ever!You really do feel like you are in another world when you play Daggerfall!!

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Mostly the "really popular title" is dumbed down compared to the other titles in the series.

Midnightshade29

All this talk about these franchises is making me sad. Especially Call of Duty. Why did Gray Matter have to close!? They were better developers than Infinity Ward and Treyarch combined!!!

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Resident Evil 4 was Hated among long time fans!?:shock:

Juken7

There does seem to be a small faction of RE fans who want the series to return to the original style, tank-like controls and all

Longtime RE fans say 4 is the worst? All I've heard RE fans say is that RE5 is by far the worst in the series. >_>Doolz2024

The Fallout 3 hate is fully justified but I've never had a problem with Re4 and only heard of a few long time fans not liking it. Oblivion isn't hated by long time fans since it's the same as every Elderscroll game.

[QUOTE="Juken7"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Resident Evil 4 was Hated among long time fans!?:shock:

gmc2u_64

There does seem to be a small faction of RE fans who want the series to return to the original style, tank-like controls and all

Longtime RE fans say 4 is the worst? All I've heard RE fans say is that RE5 is by far the worst in the series. >_>Doolz2024

Lol, nostalgic elitists.

The Fallout 3 hate is fully justified but I've never had a problem with Re4 and only heard of a few long time fans not liking it. Oblivion isn't hated by long time fans since it's the same as every Elderscroll game.

Flanker15

That's somewhat true about Oblivion. It's not all-around hated, but most of the true fans will quickly say it's the weakest of the main series, and that's definitely true. Still, it's a good game. Although, Bethesda needs to hire people that know what the definition of "Good story" is. Hell, I'd settle for it having a competent story. Just not the crap "stories" they put in their games.

[QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]

[QUOTE="Juken7"]

There does seem to be a small faction of RE fans who want the series to return to the original style, tank-like controls and all

DarkLink77

I was i die hard Halo fan till Halo2, i hated the story for that game. then i was hoping Halo 3 would fix that,but all bungie did for Halo 3 was focus on theMP gamers not the SP people.

lordreaven

[QUOTE="Flanker15"]

The Fallout 3 hate is fully justified but I've never had a problem with Re4 and only heard of a few long time fans not liking it. Oblivion isn't hated by long time fans since it's the same as every Elderscroll game.

Phoenix534

That's somewhat true about Oblivion. It's not all-around hated, but most of the true fans will quickly say it's the weakest of the main series, and that's definitely true. Still, it's a good game. Although, Bethesda needs to hire people that know what the definition of "Good story" is. Hell, I'd settle for it having a competent story. Just not the crap "stories" they put in their games.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]So, they want the clunky controls, out of place puzzles, ink ribbons, crappy combat, and the wierd camera angles back when they complained about those things in RE0? I mean, REmake & RE0 (The original RE Games that I played) AREN'T bad, but there IS a reason that the series rebooted. ...they're gonna sic Mr X, Birkin, and Nemises on me, aren't they?

gmc2u_64

They're horror material, but horror doesn't make a game "survival horror."

I can understand why people like RE4 and RE5 style gameplay more than the previous titles, but they were really a step in the opposite direction. I would have liked to see RE evolve, just like I'm happy to see FF evolve with XIII. But RE4 didn't evolve it just started up a new series with modified returning characters. That's just how I feel about it.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="gmc2u_64"]So, they want the clunky controls, out of place puzzles, ink ribbons, crappy combat, and the wierd camera angles back when they complained about those things in RE0? I mean, REmake & RE0 (The original RE Games that I played) AREN'T bad, but there IS a reason that the series rebooted. ...they're gonna sic Mr X, Birkin, and Nemises on me, aren't they?

gmc2u_64

Not all, but some of them hate popularity probably because they felt unique and different liking a game that not many people knew about. All of a sudden, that precious gem of a game has become rung out so many times that it's no longer "cool" to like the game, it's trendy. Pretty simple really.

I was i die hard Halo fan till Halo2, i hated the story for that game. then i was hoping Halo 3 would fix that,but all bungie did for Halo 3 was focus on theMP gamers not the SP people.

Not all, but some of them hate popularity probably because they felt unique and different liking a game that not many people knew about. All of a sudden, that precious gem of a game has become rung out so many times that it's no longer "cool" to like the game, it's trendy. Pretty simple really.

Lethargika

[QUOTE="Lethargika"]

Not all, but some of them hate popularity probably because they felt unique and different liking a game that not many people knew about. All of a sudden, that precious gem of a game has become rung out so many times that it's no longer "cool" to like the game, it's trendy. Pretty simple really.

Midnightshade29

Yea i agree, in your case you genuinely dislike the way the games turned out, but I know a few people who are the way I described simply because the game became too popular for them.

When it comes to crappy sequels though, for me, it's Resident Evil, I absolutely loved RE 1-3 with a passion, when they released number 4 and turned it into COD, I wanted to shoot myself. I'm not talking nostalgia, trendiness, or popularity, just simply a fantastic third person survival horror turned rotten. :cry:

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"][QUOTE="lordreaven"]

I was i die hard Halo fan till Halo2, i hated the story for that game. then i was hoping Halo 3 would fix that,but all bungie did for Halo 3 was focus on theMP gamers not the SP people.

lordreaven