ZGOTM ~ Poll/Debate ~ Ground-Breaking Earth Gods

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#1 daorack
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Thats right folks, its finally time for the proper debate of the Zanpakutou Gods for this month.

 

The ground-breaking Gods of Earth will now be unvieled. And guess what? Even I dont know what we'll see in this insanity!

 

The Zanpakutou Gods of Earth will be debated first, before we actually start voting. Simmilar to the BDOTM and COTW and whatnot. We debate first, then vote.

 

Here is how it will work. We will debate each part of the zanpakutou. Every section of its profile, we'll compare with that section on the other profile. That means neat-ness is important!

 

We will compare each section, each aspect of the zanpakutous. This means, this is not just a matter of who would win a fight! Chartacter depth is actually more important than winning the battle, although being awsome will help.

 

Once the debate is over, we will vote on each section which zanpakutou won. I will add up the results and declair the victor.

 

This thread will be locked uppon creation, mayuri, would you please put all entries in? Then unlock the thread?

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Contestant: Ebbon_Valentia

 

Zanpakuto: Arishishi (Ant lion)

Release Command: "Sift!"

Bankai: Kongou Sakyuu-Shio Arishishi Sunafuka (" Adamantine Dune-tide Ant lion Sand shark")

Element: Earth

Type: Kido Offensive

 

Description: The sealed Zanpakuto is roughly similar to a kodachi, albeit slightly shorter with the hilt being a vivid tan. The guard extends outward from the middle into concaved ovals on either end, with a shinai pattern inside either end as well as on the outside. The blade also appears marginally straighter with an elongated taper that extends as to be near paper-thin.

 

Shikai: Upon release, Arishishi flickers with a bright orange-red glow, as the blade seems to become more insubstantial. When the glow fades, the blade is left a sifting, sandy version of its former shape, although spread out with wisps of heat and residue dissipating from it. Part of the guard extends itself down to the end of the hilt in a round hand guard. The blade is a very fluid semisolid in essence, parts of it being able to let another blade cut through it like sifting sand or hardening to parry and block strikes. In the latter case, the blade simply acts to redirect and roll blows off of it. However it isn't permeable in any way, but instead the blade collapses and condenses upon itself to allow for objects to "pass through" it. The blade also has a habit of seemingly trailing a residue of its substance behind it when swung.

 

Shikai Abilities

 

Hayaisabure ("Quicksand") – When using this ability, touching the tip of the blade to a surface causes no apparent change in the surface's appearance, but essentially leaves a quicksand trap behind for others to step into. Not only that, but it also forms a sort of gravity well that helps to pull victims under the sand faster to suffocate them. This same aspect also applies to vertical surfaces as well, so that those passing by may be pulled into the trap as well.

 

Nenshou Shinkirou ("Burning Mirage") – The blade will emit an incredibly high amount of heat, which radiates from and off the blade as well as nearby surfaces. The more enclosed the surfaces are together the stronger the mirage, although an open area allows for the ability to focus in one way instead of having the effects echo and resonate with each other.

When successfully used, the air distorts around the wielder, but focuses strongest around the Zanpakuto. This makes tracking the wielder harder as well as anticipating their movements. Not only this, but the heat emanated from using this ability scalds and blisters skin raw.

 

Bankai: Arishishi glows even brighter and its substance squirms and writhes as it twists and wraps around the wielder, as well as swiftly swarms across the ground centering on the wielder's feet. Then an explosion of mixed blue, gray, brown and orange colors bursts outward from the center and fills a dome with a large circumference. The air becomes very thick from the outside and eventually swarms around enough to appear as though nothing had happened, masking itself from exterior view. The air is also white-hot to the touch so walking into it will burn the unwary, as well as being aggressively permeable - if someone pierces the dome it will pull them into it.

The inside houses a vast desert, the majority of which is taken up by a deep pit resembling an ant lion's nest. The area surrounding this hole is filled with dunes and sand valleys, although no rocks or stones are created within. However the sand has a slightly fluid water to it, as though it were a sea of sand. The wielder would appear at the center of the pit wearing a Shinigami outfit that seems modified for the surrounding; the desert trappings even have a cowl with a mask that is carved with very fluid and sleek lines mingled among more jagged and thicker lines.

The Zanpakuto in the wielder's hand takes on the shape of a falchion, but the blade is not as bulky with a rapier-esque appearance so that the notch at the top of the falchion is part of the blade, with similar notches continuing down the sharp edge to make it appear serrated. However the Bankai hides another creature under the sand, which swims beneath the dunes.

Serpentine in form, the creature is colossal in size with many wings and fins covering its body. Its hide is a grayish-tan color with the sinew of the wings taking on a lighter tan accent. The head of the beast features a mix between a snake and alligator but having a rounded snout with a distinct shape of a bullet. Its jagged maw sports vicious rows of teeth inside, and the creature's head has no indication of eyes, although the arrangement and etching of the scales are similar to the mask worn by the wielder. It does have barbs, spines and frills extending around the base of its head and more appear down the body as well, with rough and sharp scales that add to the crushing and slicing power of grinding against enemies. It acts very much independently of the wielder but still fights alongside them, usually burrowing and swimming around with a turbulent flurry of fins, wings, spines, barbs and scales to eviscerate foes.

 

Bankai Abilities

Assai Shinkirou ("Crushing Mirage") – This functions similarly to the Nenshou Shinkirou whereas there is a constant obstruction of vision but it's more evenly spread out. However the effect will still resonate between closer and bigger dunes. Sand grit floats on ever-constant breezes. Random strong gusts will batter opponents now and then as well as sand getting in eyes and wounds will burn like salt. The entirety of the dome also functions as a humongous gravity well, pulling others not only down into the sand at a slow pace, but towards the center as well. This ability is strongest and most focused around the serpent, wielder and pit.

 

Sunaarashi ("Sandstorm") – The desert quakes with increasing intensity before it churns and roils with blistering sandy gust batter those in the air as well as on the ground. The dome essentially becomes a raging sea of sand, although the pit stays somewhat intact, however if an enemy has sunken and fallen into it they will be battered more so than those farther away from the center. This also attempts to draw others more towards the center to further increase damage dealt. Eventually the sand settles again, but the features of the desert will have drastically changed.

 

Kongou Taiyou ("Adamantine Sun") – The dome normally looks like the sky outside to those within it, but it can be altered to turn to night abruptly, not only concealing the wielder in the shadow of "night" but also severely dropping the temperature to frigid levels. The sun portrayed in the sky becomes a corona as the effect resembles a solar eclipse, which does pass but the aftereffect drastically increases the temperature to generally unbearable amounts.

 

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Earth Zanpakuto

 

 

Created by jooja42animafan ( Bella )

 

Name :  Earth Breaker (Chikyū burēka-地球ブレーカ )

History:  This zanpakuto was originally held by a great warrior god who had control over all that was land-based, anything that was made from rock, sand, dirt, even crystal in the ground.  This warrior was very powerful and made a vow to never let his zanpakuto be taken by another willingly, but only through defeat in battle would it ever be able to removed from his possession.  It seems that this has happened because not that long ago I came across this very zanpakuto deep in a cave that had the scars of a very enormous battle.  Just why it was left behind I can't say, perhaps the victor was afraid to wield it for some reason, this can only be speculated on as it seems that the victor has vanished as well.  I was not afraid to pick it up and examine it and upon doing so I felt this incredible energy flowing through it. 

Personality:   He is generally rather peaceful, but he has a short temper when provoked.  He uses his powers in fights to their greatest strengths and doesn't quit until the enemy being faced has been defeated.  He is very loyal to his wielder and will stay with that person until they return to the earth and their soul is free. 

Spiritual Form:  He wears a dark green leather vest and pants with bands around his lower forearms and matching fingerless gloves.  He has a tattoo of green flames on his left arm, shaggy light brown hair and blue eyes, fairly tall in stature and very strong. 

Description –Sealed Form:  A standard katana with brown leather wrapping on the hilt.  It measures from hilt to tip of the blade a total of 60".   (link to picture:

Description –Shikai Form – Stage 1: The blade shortens slightly and gets wider; its tip is broadened and the center is black steel with dual sharpened edges the length of both sides. For its size it isn't very heavy and can be wielded single handedly or dual handed.   The main purpose of this form is not to be used in close combat, but rather to be used in stabbing the ground which causes several things to happen as described in its abilities.  ( link to picture : 

 Description –Shikai Form – Stage 2: Earth Breaker becomes a long sword of the same length as the katana only it has a meter running down the center and 3 green stones on the base of the hilt.  As it is used to attack the meter fills up and at 3 different levels a stone will glow; when the 3rd stone is glowing and the meter is full its attacks are increased and do more damage than in the previous stage.  (For reference purposes- it works somewhat on the order of Ikkaku's zanpakuto).

 

Description –Bankai Form:  Earth Breaker changes into a war hammer measuring approximately 50 inches from the top of the head to the bottom of the handle.  It's made from the hardest stone and etched with various ancient designs.  The handle is made from the strongest wood of the time, Mahogany, and has a brownish leather wrapping between two brass clamps about halfway down the handle where the wielder grips it.  It has a metal ring at the bottom of its handle.  

 

 Attacks:

·         Landslide – (All Stages):  The wielder while pointing the zanpakuto at a mountainside or hillside then releasing some if its energy combined with the wielder's own energy thus causing the hillsides and mountains to move downwards at a great speed.  

·         Land Manipulation – (All Stages): Controls and moves already existing rock, etc. by manipulating it into such things as sand storms that can blind the opponent temporarily and barriers that can protect the wielder from attacks by the opponent for a limited period of time.  The barrier is vulnerable to water but only minimally so once put into effect; the water weakens the barrier slightly making it softer which could allow an opponent to breach it.  

·         Land Formation – (All Stages): Causes land masses to form around target enclosing them for a brief period of time; effectively making it possible for the wielder to either attack or use defensive moves or both.  The effectiveness of this is greatly affected by what type of earthly material is in the area of the battle. For example; if it is in a desert area, sand will be used and can be manipulated to create form fitting enclosures around the enemy or target thus making it difficult for escape, however it is not impossible if the enemy is adept at land formations. 

·         Crystal Needles – (Shikai Form Stage 1): Stalagmites of quartz crystal project from the ground when the wielder strikes the earth with the tip of the broad sword.  These stalagmites appear in random patterns beneath the opponent in which they aren't able to be detected until seen because of the transparent nature of the crystal from which they are made.  These cause physical damage to the opponent by slashing through the clothing and either slashing or piercing the skin. 

·         Impact Fissure – (Shikai Form Stage 2): This is not as powerful as the Great Fissure attack but results in a similar event, on a smaller scale and can be used in the Bankai state once it has been activated. This is caused when the wielder uses his reiatsu and creates a fairly large sphere of energy projecting it into the ground; it impacts the area around the target making an opening which the target can fall into.   

·         Great Fissure – (Bankai form): When the wielder slams the handle of the war hammer onto the ground it causes huge gashes to form in the ground traveling from the point of impact to the target's location.  This can be amplified by the use of spiritual energy creating larger openings to appear where-by causing more potential damage to the target if they happen to be above the opening and fall into it, as this opening is charged with a negative energy which slightly drains the strength from the target. 

Mega Quake – (Bankai form): When the wielder slams the head of the war hammer onto the ground it causes massive seisms and undulations in the ground.

 

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#4 daorack
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Okay, these things are going to be judged based on many different factors. So we will have plenty ot debate.

 

This is running late now, so its going to continue, but the new one will be put up on time. I'll let this run its course as long as its reasonable.

 

Lets debate this section at a time.

 

First off, lets debate how well these two zanpakutou's fit the "god of earth" theme.

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#5 seker456
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well first off they fit the god of earth theme becuase they both have deadly based earth attacks. they are both based on the element of earthy things. but they both seem like their diffrent type of earth abilities. the first one is sand and the second is rock
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#6 daorack
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Having powerful earth abilities doesnt make it automatically fit.

 

Personality, character design, and how the abilities are designed are absolutely important. So make comparisons between the two, as well as show how they fit the role. :)

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#7 optimuserik
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Personality of earth should be calm and strong (as the 2nd one) , earth won't move until it is forced to , and the zanpakuto personality should be the same.

The designs are really awesome , and resemble the earth:

Ant lion has the orange-red glow that is absolutely resembling the desert and the heat of the sun and is definitely a good match for the abilities .

Earth Breaker looks like a weapon , but doesn't resemble the attribute much in Shikai , the stones are green , so perhaps the nature can be there , but it isn't much . The weapon does sound good , but it can be any attribute based on the design. The spiritual form does sound like a guy living in a jungle (earth atribute 'ok' ).

The abilities :

Well both are earth , but Ant Lion really rocks the sand , and Earth Breaker uses clasical environmental atacks that could be used in many places , making different outcomes.

But which looks better ?

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#8 Ebbon_Valentia
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Well you do have to remember that even the earth moves. We DO have tectonic shifting and sand is in its own way a powerful force. Sometimes the earth is an openly destructive force and sometimes, like the seas of sand, there are subtleties that lie beneath. The earth isn't unshakeable and it moves of its own volition. It can be eroded and pulverized and slump and all sorts of things happen to it. But it remains the earth.

One can say that an earth-style Zanpakuto should be calm and strong, but it depends on how loosely you use those terms and if you are using them rigidly it becomes simple. In other ways you have things like the sandy dunes. Seemingly endless, immeasurable and harsh whether it is night or day.

By the way because this is a typo it is supposed to be "Antlion" like the insectile creature that makes sand and dirt pits.

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#9 daorack
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ebbon, you failed to put some things in your zanpakutou. mayuri missed that. as a result, ebbon, your zanpakutou is sort of automatically handicapped in this debate, because for example, we cannot debate a personality that is not listed.
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#10 dancingbeatle
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I thought his zan was complete? Except for what Dao just pointed out. Hmm, I'll return with more thoughts, I hope.
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#11 optimuserik
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Well yes , the personality part does make a huge gap , but the abilities are far better then Earth Breaker's . (no offense)

You can already feel the abilities and imagine them really well , the heat , the huge monster under the sand , everything. I think the sand mirrage is a cool idea , but not really effective . Many people can fight even if the oponent is barely visible.

The earth is strong , but for Shinigami the word 'strong' is at a diferent level , so earthquakes , sand storms and landslides are not really a big deal for them , since they just Shumpo away . For the sand storm part: I'm sure they can fight even if it is a big one .

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ebbon, you failed to put some things in your zanpakutou. mayuri missed that. as a result, ebbon, your zanpakutou is sort of automatically handicapped in this debate, because for example, we cannot debate a personality that is not listed.daorack

Ugh Yahoo. -_-" Resend or PM?

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#13 optimuserik
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No offense , but wouldn't that be cheating ?

As I said before , the other parts are great , so you might get the upper hand.

For example you have the beast under the sand , described fairly and it is an ability worthy of God of Earth ( this doesn't count as a vote or anything ) , Earth Breaker doesn't have such an ultimate 'summon' (which isn't required , yet welcome ).

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#14 Ebbon_Valentia
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No offense , but wouldn't that be cheating ?

As I said before , the other parts are great , so you might get the upper hand.

For example you have the beast under the sand , described fairly and it is an ability worthy of God of Earth ( this doesn't count as a vote or anything ) , Earth Breaker doesn't have such an ultimate 'summon' (which isn't required , yet welcome ).

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It's no offense Dao knows this issue with me from before when I was stuck with using Yahoo to email my papers to my course instructors last semester. Part of why turning in the entry took a while. My Yahoo is f*cked up.

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In this case, its a failure to create that part into the profile to begin with. If I let you resend it, I have to let others edit theirs in the future as well, which would allow them to cheat. Even if I know your not doing it to cheat, it sets a bad precedent. Sorry. :/ But, its not a big deal. As he said, you could still win, even with that handicap. The parts your missing are not everything. It just means she automatically gets the point in those areas. If you get all the points in all of the other areas, for instance, you'd still win. Your only missing a few out of several. I will review the example piece and the rules to ensure its clear.

 

Thats why I'm doing elemental ones, which are easy for ppl to make, first. The first run through the "elemental" ones are beta test runs. After that, I should have the rules refined and easy to understand. So yeah, no worries. :)

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#16 optimuserik
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Hmm , it starts to sound like we are making an " Ebbon fan club here " .

But out of several points there is to discuss about losing almost half makes a good battle , making both suitable candidates .

I think the personality is absolutely discussed allready , should we get on with the debate ?

The sealed form should reveal a Shinigami's spiritual power and style , not as much as the released forms , but at least slightly ... so what about them ?

Edit:

*ahem*

Doesn't seem like I made a good job stirring the crowd .

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ok people, either discuss this, or I'm going to have the captains vote on it in capt thread.
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Well I'm going to ask some questions that is if Ebbon and Jooja don't mind answering them. First of all in the bankai form of Ant lion why would there be any air effect? I get why it happens, it's just that seems more like an air bassed thing. How exactly does the dome pull someone in if they pierced it? Like what a vaccum? Why would the sandbeast have feathers, does it fly? Jooja just how long is the zan in the 1st shikai form? Are the stones breakable? Can the crystal needles move? With Great Fissure, where is the negative energy coming from?
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The whole concept was generally based around hazards of the desert, but the dome is similar to the substance of the blade in the Shikai state. However it maintains a large gravity well concept on the inside and outside and adds to the "swallowing" concept of quicksand. It maintains like a mirage in the same sense. It also resembled a sort of tectonic shifting concept where one tectonic plate sank into another during and after a collision.

It was abstract, I admit, but it helps create congruity with the Zanpakuto. Also for correction's sake it's "Antlion" like the insect.

With the sandbeast it drew a simple hover concept, although I don't remember meantioning feathers in the description. It was mainly something I drew from the Avatar movie with the floating mountains since I'd watched that at the time lolz. I just happened to imagine some inspiration of a creature that slithered through the sky as if the entirety of the dome were actually filled with this ocean of sand. Also I found that using the Sandstorm ability made it much easier if the creature didn't just have to be under the earth to stir it.

I realize that it also makes the sand look like it has a water-trait, including the part of the name that translates to "Sandshark." This I remembered from Final Fantasy 12 and wanted to imagine how to utilize something like that. You could also draw the conclusion that the Yensa fish from that game drew in part of the creatures concept.

All in all it was a twist, albiet a confusing twist, on the whole concept of viewing the earth as just solid and immense in the obvious raw way. I saw the use of sand in a terrain/regional basis and thought it might just do the trick and to show a rawer but more abstract of the forms of earth.

I guess you could say that the sand beast is in essence representative of the immensity of the mountains and boulders. The tough, rough and immense earth under the sand as well as a various number of dangers that encompasses the desert.

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#20 daorack
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Interesting combination.

 

Quick notice: this months ZGOTM was postponed till next month while I revise the rules and consider ways of making it easier for participants to...well...participate. I think the main issue is that putting together a zanpakutou is too difficult.

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Its not that its too difficult... just very time consuming to make a good one.  And when we all have a busy RL schedule it adds to the ... busyness... :P 

But yeah I think that an easier way of going about it may help a lot. 

 

@ DB:  I'll be answering your questions as soon as I can.  I didn't forget about them. :)

 

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Well I'm going to ask some questions that is if Ebbon and Jooja don't mind answering them.

Jooja just how long is the zan in the 1st shikai form?

Are the stones breakable?

Can the crystal needles move?

With Great Fissure, where is the negative energy coming from?

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The zan in its first shikai stage is close to the same over all length.  I does get slightly shorter to make up for its increased width and weight.  

If you are referring to the stones embedded in the hilt, no they're not breakable. They work in the same manner as Ikkaku's markings on his zan.

Well the crystal needles position can be moved using landslide or land manipulation; but they don't move on their own.  When using that attack/ability the needles appear from below ground in the area of the target. 

The negative energy of Great Fissure comes directly from the gravity on the earth itself, which is magnified once the war hammer (zan) comes in contact with the ground.  It is brought to the surface from the spiritual pressure being exerted by the wielder.  

I hope that these answers help explain the abilities to you.  If you have any other's please do ask.

 

 

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#23 daorack
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Ok this is running way late.

 

Here's what I'm going to do.

 

Ebbon, next time, include a personality and stuff. I'm going to make an actual "format" for ppl to follow from now on with reguards to the zanpakutou itself. I'm also going to modify the rules slightly to allow more design time.

 

This thread will be in voting stages but I'll make the thread for the air one as well now.

The air one will be in designer stage for TWO months this time.

After that time, the fire one will be posted, and the air one will be put up in a discussion/debate/poll (in that order) thread while the fire one does its first design month.

The fire ones first design month and the air one's discussion/debate/poll month will be the same month, same time. after the air one is done, the fire one will resume design stage for one more month,

 

then the next ones design stage will begin while the fire one does its discussion/debate/poll stage. This should allow alot more time for desinging. Lets see if this goes over better. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

That said, please vote on the zanpakutous. Just use youir best opinion. Post your vote. And post your reason. NO DISCUSSION!!!!! THE ONLY POSTS IN THIS THREAD SHOULD BE FOR MAKING YOUR VOTE AND STATING WHY!! Thank you for your patience while I revised my methods for a full month.

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Hmm, Okay while I'm sure that this would destroy a lot of the surrounding area. I can possibly guess that at most Ant lion would barely win and than collapse after words. Mostly going by the abilities, but it would be a close call.
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#25 daorack
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This isnt "who would win" though. We have the BDOTM for that. :P

 

Who would win is part of it, but only just that; part. Character depth, (which ebbons cant do because he didnt do its personality), how well it fit the theme it was supposed to, etc. etc. :)

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#26 dancingbeatle
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I know, but except for that part his seems to be more together.
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#27 optimuserik
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After carefully re-reading the original presentation and additional explanations , and thinking over all details I vote for Ebbon .

Reasons : The land obeys the will of the zanpakutou and greatly changes . The land is controlled by absolute raw power from wielder , zan , and monster who fight along . And in a twisted way I think the destructive and free willed monster could be considered the spirit of the zanpakutou with the characteristics there .

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#28 daorack
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ok, so thats 2-0 so far.

 

Just a note: in the future, THE NAMES OF THE MAKERS WILL NOT BE REVEALED!! For the same reason we do this on DOTM.

 

any other votes?

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#29 daorack
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Sorry for the double post.

 

Congradulations ebbon. This one is decided. I will lock it now.