XSX supports ALL Xbox controllers >>> PS5 only DS4 for PS4 games.

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#101 Pedro  Online
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Dude, of course you didn't mention it. That's because it involves specific intensive programming that rules out the dualshock for newer games, lol. Devs are not going to double back and try to reprogram dualshock compatibility after they've already specifically supported the dualsense through extensive development. That would be ridiculous.

And you completely misunderstood what I'm saying about controller compatibility. It doesn't justify lack of compatibility as much as it is a non-argument. Like I said, the haptic feedback feature alone renders the dualshock incompatible with new programming using the dualsense. This is a new console, with new controllers and a ton of new tech involved in both. The only reasonable thing to do is what Sony has done, which is allow old controllers to work with old games. Regardless of people expecting or not expecting support for said controllers doesn't matter; the new tech rules out that support for next gen PS games.

You are literally shooting aimlessly from the hips. "intensive programming". 😂🤣

If you use a DS4 for a Dual Sense game, the DS4 simply wouldn't support the features of the Dual Sense. Its not that complicated. It doesn't matter which side of the bench you want to be on but lets not make shit up just cause.

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#102  Edited By lundy86_4
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That wasn't the debate... You seem to confuse this argument with my non-issue with utilizing AA rechargeable batteries over the shitty DS4 battery.

I'll tell you what, make more sense and come back.

The problem here is that people cry when sony doesn't have something when MS lack something they don't care.

All i point out.

In question to the controller is irrelevant,the PS5 comes with a controller,and sony is allowing people to use the DS4 for PS4 games,is not like you can't use it,but for PS5 games i see why sony would not allow it,after all they want developers to take advantage of your features.

The difference is MS did almost nothing to the xbox series X controller.

The problem is that you utilize a Red Herring fallacy to try and make a point. You diverged from the point made, in a hope to undermine me as a poster... You failed miserably at that. So in all fairness, why would I continue to converse with you? You made a moronic post...

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@Pedro said:
@subspecies said:

Dude, of course you didn't mention it. That's because it involves specific intensive programming that rules out the dualshock for newer games, lol. Devs are not going to double back and try to reprogram dualshock compatibility after they've already specifically supported the dualsense through extensive development. That would be ridiculous.

And you completely misunderstood what I'm saying about controller compatibility. It doesn't justify lack of compatibility as much as it is a non-argument. Like I said, the haptic feedback feature alone renders the dualshock incompatible with new programming using the dualsense. This is a new console, with new controllers and a ton of new tech involved in both. The only reasonable thing to do is what Sony has done, which is allow old controllers to work with old games. Regardless of people expecting or not expecting support for said controllers doesn't matter; the new tech rules out that support for next gen PS games.

You are literally shooting aimlessly from the hips. "intensive programming". 😂🤣

If you use a DS4 for a Dual Sense game, the DS4 simply wouldn't support the features of the Dual Sense. Its not that complicated. It doesn't matter which side of the bench you want to be on but lets not make shit up just cause.

Well, yeah, it won't support it. That's because haptic feedback isn't supported. Pretty straightforward.

And yeah, dude, haptics are not some simple programming, lol.

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#104 tormentos
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@subspecies said:

Wait, this dude is IP?

I_P_daily

I_own_U_4ever.

Same MO same blind agenda.

I say i am 99% sure.

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Take a pile of salt with who Tormy claims is an alt. Dude is taking a small hiatus as posted in the Lounge.

Well you can play the naive poster if you want,but you have been here long enough to know this place is ridden with alts and dust full account with low ass post count that are bring during certain time,and considering the lenth some lemmings and cows have go here to open multiple accounts i would not doubt it.

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@subspecies: What do mean it was never a “thing”? You made a statement about how controllers weren’t supported on newer systems in the past and I rebutted that statement about how just because they weren’t supported in the past doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be now. You just ignored it and now you’re acting like “it wasn’t a thing” or that I’m “hung up on it”. I notice you tend to do this often. When you get called out on a comment you act like the other person is “hung up on it” while you dance around on clarifying it. 😅

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Well you can play the naive poster if you want,but you have been here long enough to know this place is ridden with alts and dust full account with low ass post count that are bring during certain time,and considering the lenth some lemmings and cows have go here to open multiple accounts i would not doubt it.

So... You don't know. That's a bit long-winded.

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This thread backfired so bad that we now talking about graphics and double A batteries.

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@subspecies: What do mean it was never a “thing”? You made a statement about how controllers weren’t supported on newer systems in the past and I rebutted that statement about how just because they weren’t supported in the past doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be now. You just ignored it and now you’re acting like “it wasn’t a thing” or that I’m “hung up on it”. I notice you tend to do this often. When you get called out on a comment you act like the other person is “hung up on it” while you dance around on clarifying it. 😅

What? Dude, Sony has always made new controllers for new consoles, and did not support old ones for the new console. Therefore suddenly expecting them to is a bit illogical, to say the least. The other end of the matter is that new tech renders the old dualshock incompatible with the PS5, so it goes beyond simply having no precedent. This is a direct response to what you're asking, lol.

How is this hard to understand?

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@subspecies: Well why didn’t you say that before to be more clear about it instead. It doesn’t matter if it wasn’t a thing before though because like I said things change. Consumer’s expectations change. What companies offer change. If people see a competitor offering a consumer friendly option then chances are some of those people are going to want that same option offered to them. It doesn’t matter if it takes extra effort from a company to do so, they just need to put in that extra effort then.

How is that hard to understand?

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the DS5 looks stupid, reminds me of a boomerang.

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The problem is that you utilize a Red Herring fallacy to try and make a point. You diverged from the point made, in a hope to undermine me as a poster... You failed miserably at that. So in all fairness, why would I continue to converse with you? You made a moronic post...

And this is the problem with most of you.

Point were is the so call fallacy.

Does the xbox controller still work with double A batteries and force you to either buy AA or buy a play a charge kit yes or no?

Does MS force you to get xbox live gold for free to play games yes or no?

I don't undermine you i have SEE you for the past few years been pro xbox,you surely are not IPdaily level,but you sure have been.

For all intended purposes this will be irrelevant and the PS5 will sell like there is no tomorrow people will not care that you can't use PS4 controllers with PS5 games,they didn't even care you could not play PS3 games on PS4,hell they don't care you can't play wii u games on switch,again so most of the crap been made a big deal here actually isn't outside this internet adress.

But again i am been red herring right?

@lundy86_4 said:

So... You don't know. That's a bit long-winded.

Yes i don't and your been intellectially dishonest.😎

@Pedro said:

This thread backfired so bad that we now talking about graphics and double A batteries.

Well you are part of those who run damage controll for MS in everything bad that happen to them,from downplaying exclusives when you once weren't against them,to brush live gold been require for free to play games with just a ""this only affect those who don't pay""..

No shit sherlock...(⌐■_■)

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Well, yeah, it won't support it. That's because haptic feedback isn't supported. Pretty straightforward.

And yeah, dude, haptics are not some simple programming, lol.

And you are basing this off your experience programming haptics feedback right?😎

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the DS5 looks stupid, reminds me of a boomerang.

shh ....nobody tell him.

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@subspecies said:
@rzxv04 said:
@i_own_u_4ever said:
@subspecies said:

Lems looking for any ammunition against cows they can dig up. This is what desperation looks like, folks.

Answer me this, could you use a ps1 controller on a ps2? A ps2 controller on a ps3? A ps3 controller on a ps4?

Have fun with those questions.

The later in the gen DS1 controller for PS1 was basically the exact same controller as DS2.

DS2 had pressure sensitive buttons.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/dual-shock-2-buttons-are-pressure-sensitive.34047/

Not the same thing, at all. Not even close. Modern haptic feedback is freaking awesome when utilized appropriately. Many VR fans have a good idea about this already. But the tech is not exclusive to VR, as Sony is demonstrating with the dualsense. It's just way more immersive in VR.

Maybe I made a mistake. I'm saying the DS2 has new features not available on the DS1. I'm not sure if GT PS2 that can use pressure sensitive buttons, allow the use of DS1 which doesn't.

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#115  Edited By tormentos
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There is something i want to point out here.

1-PS1 controller hardly compatible with PS2 games.

2-PS2 controller not compatible with PS3.

3-PS3 controller not compatible with PS4.

4-PS4 controller compatible with PS4 games on BC not compatible with PS5 games.

Oh lets bring the tourches and the pitforks.

At this time it was even expected,hell Kinect doesn't work with the xbox series X at all nor Kinect games either now where is the outcry?

Yeah Kinect that shit millions of people were force into then latter fed apart as well only to be kill not even mid way and be completely unsupported now.

Considering all the tears and drama lemmings make for all games supposedly not working on PS5 how there is no outcry for Kinect?

Because like i say when sony does something oh those evil doers anti consumers,but when MS does something oh is nothing move alone nothing to see.

At this point is undeniable the double standard and buffoonery on this place.

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#116 Pedro  Online
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@tormentos: You forgot a tiny little detail, in that gamers DID NOT WANT KINECT. Better luck next time with your deflecting and damage control.🤣

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@i_own_u_4ever: at least ps4 owners get to use there controller Bazinga !!!

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@Pedro said:
@subspecies said:

Well, yeah, it won't support it. That's because haptic feedback isn't supported. Pretty straightforward.

And yeah, dude, haptics are not some simple programming, lol.

And you are basing this off your experience programming haptics feedback right?😎

"Bu...bu....but you're not a developer! You wouldn't know!" Lol. You got nothin', dude.

Tell me, does this sound simple to you?

"Haptic feedback is the use of touch to communicate with users. Most people are familiar with the vibration in a mobile phone or the rumble in a game controller – but haptic feedback is much more than that. Robert Blenkinsopp, VP Engineering at Ultraleap, explains why.

Human beings have five senses, but electronic devices communicate with us using predominantly just two: sight and hearing.

Haptic feedback (often shortened to just haptics) changes this by simulating the sense of touch. Not only can you touch a computer or other device, but the computer can touch you back.

Haptic feedback is a mode of communication rather than a specific technology or application. It’s nothing less than an entirely new way for machines and humans to communicate.

Creating haptic feedback

The tactile sensations most people think of when they say "touch" are part of what is known as the somatosensory system. This encompasses a huge variety of sensations, not just sensations such as vibration or pressure, but also things such as pain, temperature, and the position and movement of your body in space.

The somatosensory system includes at least 12 specialised types of receptors. Each sends different information to your brain: one type sends information about vibration, one about pressure, one about pain, and so on.

Your somatosensory system sends a continual stream of rich information to your brain, information you rely on to perform even the simplest actions.

These receptors are all over the surface of your body, and inside it, too. The average adult has 3 million pain receptors alone.

Simulating the somatosensory system in its entirety is a huge challenge (according to Microsoft, “many orders of magnitude larger in complexity” than sight or sound). Even limited use of haptic technology can be very effective."

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@subspecies: Well why didn’t you say that before to be more clear about it instead. It doesn’t matter if it wasn’t a thing before though because like I said things change. Consumer’s expectations change. What companies offer change. If people see a competitor offering a consumer friendly option then chances are some of those people are going to want that same option offered to them. It doesn’t matter if it takes extra effort from a company to do so, they just need to put in that extra effort then.

How is that hard to understand?

It's not. No need to copy what I said to you.

Glad you understand, now.

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@Pedro said:

@tormentos: You forgot a tiny little detail, in that gamers DID NOT WANT KINECT. Better luck next time with your deflecting and damage control.🤣

@tormentos said:

@Pedro said:

This thread backfired so bad that we now talking about graphics and double A batteries.

Well you are part of those who run damage controll for MS in everything bad that happen to them,from downplaying exclusives when you once weren't against them,to brush live gold been require for free to play games with just a ""this only affect those who don't pay""..

No shit sherlock...(⌐■_■)

Thank you i was counting on you to just do that point proven.

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@subspecies: So you don't have experience and just making shit up. LOL. If you were even mildly knowledgeable about how tech like this is implemented you would not have spewed the nonsense you did before or believe that this copy and paste is proof of anything. API my dear, API. 😎

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@i_own_u_4ever said:

Yup this is clearly another case of Sony squeezing their fans for every penny they can. There is literally no justification for this really at all except Sony just taking all their loyal fan bases hard earned money.

Sony does this with PS Now and makes you buy games again for most games. And now this. You can't possibly justify saying that a PS4 controller would not work on PS5 games. You just wouldn't have the trigger feedback whoopee doo or less vibration but this is a joke. This can easily be turned off in an option tab for games or something simple.

I know their is already a thread on PS5 and DS4, but it's specific to just the PS5. This thread is a debate for both XSX and PS5 based on new updated information as of today.

https://gamingbolt.com/xbox-series-x-will-support-all-xbox-one-controllers-in-all-games-reminds-microsoft

So I can use my big boy Duke with the Series X?

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@tormentos said:
@Pedro said:

@tormentos: You forgot a tiny little detail, in that gamers DID NOT WANT KINECT. Better luck next time with your deflecting and damage control.🤣

@tormentos said:
@Pedro said:

This thread backfired so bad that we now talking about graphics and double A batteries.

Well you are part of those who run damage controll for MS in everything bad that happen to them,from downplaying exclusives when you once weren't against them,to brush live gold been require for free to play games with just a ""this only affect those who don't pay""..

No shit sherlock...(⌐■_■)

Thank you i was counting on you to just do that point proven.

Not only did you not have a counter, you tried to deflect and still failed like this thread.🤣

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@subspecies: So you don't have experience and just making shit up. LOL. If you were even mildly knowledgeable about how tech like this is implemented you would not have spewed the nonsense you did before or believe that this copy and paste is proof of anything. API my dear, API. 😎

Completely ignores what I posted. Lol. Classic Pedro. Again, does this sound simple to you? And no, I didn't make it up. This is coming from industry pros:

Haptic feedback is the use of touch to communicate with users. Most people are familiar with the vibration in a mobile phone or the rumble in a game controller – but haptic feedback is much more than that. Robert Blenkinsopp, VP Engineering at Ultraleap, explains why.

Human beings have five senses, but electronic devices communicate with us using predominantly just two: sight and hearing.

Haptic feedback (often shortened to just haptics) changes this by simulating the sense of touch. Not only can you touch a computer or other device, but the computer can touch you back.

Haptic feedback is a mode of communication rather than a specific technology or application. It’s nothing less than an entirely new way for machines and humans to communicate.

Creating haptic feedback

The tactile sensations most people think of when they say "touch" are part of what is known as the somatosensory system. This encompasses a huge variety of sensations, not just sensations such as vibration or pressure, but also things such as pain, temperature, and the position and movement of your body in space.

The somatosensory system includes at least 12 specialised types of receptors. Each sends different information to your brain: one type sends information about vibration, one about pressure, one about pain, and so on.

Your somatosensory system sends a continual stream of rich information to your brain, information you rely on to perform even the simplest actions.

These receptors are all over the surface of your body, and inside it, too. The average adult has 3 million pain receptors alone.

Simulating the somatosensory system in its entirety is a huge challenge (according to Microsoft, “many orders of magnitude larger in complexity” than sight or sound). However, as the widespread use of simple vibrotactile technology in mobile phones shows, even limited use of haptic technology can be very effective.

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#125 Archangel3371
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@subspecies: Well you seemed to be acting like it was difficult for you to understand so I was just making sure. 🤷‍♂️

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#126  Edited By deactivated-5f2b4872031c2
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@subspecies: Well you seemed to be acting like it was difficult for you to understand so I was just making sure. 🤷‍♂️

Nope. Have a nice day, dude. :)

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@subspecies: I always do. You have one too. 😁

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@subspecies: All you did is confirmed your ignorance, which you have shown to have an abundance of when it comes to tech. Stay in your lane sweetie.😎

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@Pedro said:

@subspecies: All you did is confirmed your ignorance, which you have shown to have an abundance of when it comes to tech. Stay in your lane sweetie.😎

Lol. Never change, Pedro. Never change. Pissed off and ignoring valid information to the very end. ;)

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Lol. Never change, Pedro. Never change. Pissed off and ignoring valid information to the very end. ;)

I know you are the type that hates being educated. 😉

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@subspecies said:
@Pedro said:

@subspecies: All you did is confirmed your ignorance, which you have shown to have an abundance of when it comes to tech. Stay in your lane sweetie.😎

Lol. Never change, Pedro. Never change. Pissed off and ignoring valid information to the very end. ;)

He just ran out of arguments,he always does that when one corner him is his MO.

And if you quote a developer he claim you are been a corporate fool who believe what they say,he falsely claim sony was the only one hyping SSD and when i quote MS calling it revolutionary he was just as predictable as just now.🤣

He is even defending MS abandoing Kinect on series X when millions of people own the shitty thing,and its games..🤣

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He is even defending MS abandoing Kinect on series X when millions of people own the shitty thing,and its games..🤣

Your desperation is delicious as you ignore the fact that gamers' didn't want the kinect and here you are pretending that gamers wanted the Kinect. 🤣😂 You owned yourself.

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Your desperation is delicious as you ignore the fact that gamers' didn't want the kinect and here you are pretending that gamers wanted the Kinect. 🤣😂 You owned yourself.

If gamers didn't want Kinect they would not have pay $100 extra for it.

But you obviously try and fail to evade my point,which is the series X is not compatible with all xbox one games,which is something lemmings falsely claim here.

And the more obvious MS fu**ed millions and let them behind.

But like i already point when MS does something it is ok nothing to see here,when sony does oh those anticonsumers evil doers.

Don't worry one day when you find your manhood you will admit it.

In the mean time i am enjoying that new crack in your armor it sure will come in handy.

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@tormentos said:
@Pedro said:

Your desperation is delicious as you ignore the fact that gamers' didn't want the kinect and here you are pretending that gamers wanted the Kinect. 🤣😂 You owned yourself.

If gamers didn't want Kinect they would not have pay $100 extra for it.

But you obviously try and fail to evade my point,which is the series X is not compatible with all xbox one games,which is something lemmings falsely claim here.

And the more obvious MS fu**ed millions and let them behind.

But like i already point when MS does something it is ok nothing to see here,when sony does oh those anticonsumers evil doers.

Don't worry one day when you find your manhood you will admit it.

In the mean time i am enjoying that new crack in your armor it sure will come in handy.

And you are still pretending that gamers wanted Kinect.

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@tormentos said:
@subspecies said:
@Pedro said:

@subspecies: All you did is confirmed your ignorance, which you have shown to have an abundance of when it comes to tech. Stay in your lane sweetie.😎

Lol. Never change, Pedro. Never change. Pissed off and ignoring valid information to the very end. ;)

He just ran out of arguments,he always does that when one corner him is his MO.

And if you quote a developer he claim you are been a corporate fool who believe what they say,he falsely claim sony was the only one hyping SSD and when i quote MS calling it revolutionary he was just as predictable as just now.🤣

He is even defending MS abandoing Kinect on series X when millions of people own the shitty thing,and its games..🤣

Lol, yuuup. When the dude gets presented with facts from actual professionals he starts with "Bu....bu...but you're just a corporate slave! Yeah, that's it! You'll believe anything!" I mean, I straight up provided quotes from MS themselves talking about the complexity of haptic feedback, and he still calls it ignorance.

Freaking sad.

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#136 VFighter
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I'm still wondering why Sony won't allow ps5 to use ps1 controllers, I still have a bunch of them lying around! Come on Sony get with the times!!!

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It would suck though if vibration meant for PS4 games didn't work on PS5 controllers.

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#138  Edited By PSP107
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@Pedro: "I remember how much of a game changer the Dual Shock 4 touchpad was for PS4 games....🤣"

DualShock2-Pressure Sensitivity

DS3-Six-Axis/Motion

DS4-TouchPad

Based on history, i wouldn't be suprised if The DualSense(they should've stuck with DualShock5) will end up just being a glorified rumble feature.

Anyway, im glad i dont pay full price consoles/games/accessories.

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@jeezers said:

the DS5 looks stupid, reminds me of a boomerang.

They both look like boomerangs but...

@lamprey263 said:

It would suck though if vibration meant for PS4 games didn't work on PS5 controllers.

Maybe if there's a glitch but it should be simpler for PS5 to emulate PS4 vibrations but I'm not sure if the intensity will be the same.

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#140 lamprey263
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@rzxv04: I remember when I got Ocarina of Time on the Wii that I immediately noticed there was no rumble feature, and it was important for discovering hidden spots around the map. They fixed that for 3DS with a tool that would visual indicate what it lacked for rumble. Also on PS3, the launch SIXAXIS controls and even the PS2 controller adapter didn't allow for rumble when playing PS2 games. If I remember correctly, both were being sued over patent infringement at the time. They eventually settled but never updated system afterwards with regard to BC to my recollection, seemed an oversight.

Curious now with haptic feedback if the technology is different enough where they don't need to pay royalties on the original rumble patent holders. I wonder whether that might mean Sony and Nintendo will cease paying royalties over the new hardware they make, and if so, what that might mean for BC fuctionality with more traditional rumble.

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#141 I_own_u_4ever
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@tormentos said:
@i_own_u_4ever said:

Tormentos is clearly butthurt triggered wall of text I stopped reading when Tormentos says a big console and weaker, cough like bruh have you seen the PS5 it's like grandmas pancake maker oh yeah and it's 9.2 OC boost

You are trying to hard I_cry_daily is not me making 10 threads daily to damage control MS total game show fiasco.🤣

Well that is the hypocricy i point out,you are just to stupid to get it,those who complain about about the PS5 size and 18.3% weaker GPU are the same who were ok on 2013 with a kinect box for TV TV TV for $100 40% weaker and Huge compare with the PS4,but again like i already told you,you were and alt on your I_P_daily account and you are on this one as well.

You do care about graphics,sales exclusives and scores.🤣

@lundy86_4 said:

Tormy, stop. Completely relevant, and I don't want to delve into your inane babble. You continue for "paragraphs" and just dilute your point.

No is not is total bullshit i don't need a PS4 controller to play PS5 games nor want it because i want those new features exploited.

Bullshit once again i expose your bullshit hypocrisy and xbox siding that you have been having for some years now.

So options are good only when MS has then,when i see you complain about MS not having rechargeable batteries on their controllers then i say you are been neutral,when i see you complain about live been need it for free to play games then i say your neutral and not been biased on this.

MS doesn't even have to drop AA batteries at all,simply packing a pair that can be recharge would be enough,but again options are good on MS side.😎

You're in my threads every time butthurt. And no a 1.3 to a 1.8 in the X1 and PS4 is not 40%, but a 9.2 OC boost to a locked 12.145 is about 40%. U Mad?

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#142 I_own_u_4ever
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@tormentos said:
@Zero_epyon said:

The DS1 didn't have pressure sensitive buttons. So while you could use the DS1 on a PS2, certain games wouldn't support it because the game was built around pressure sensitive buttons.

That is how you know they don't know what the fu** they are talking about,hell the PS1 didn't even launch with rumble or analogues,using a PS1 controllers that came before 1997 would not even work in many PS2 games,let alone the pressure sensitive buttons.

@i_own_u_4ever said:

Trigger feedback in the X1 controller since 2013 most devs these days forget it's even there not that big a deal.

The fact that you think the DS1 and DS2 were the same controllers is basically lol worthy,worse the PS1 didn't even launch with DS the first PS1 controller didn't have analogues or rumble,that was something that came after 1997.

You are clueless I_P_daily.🤣

Pay attention Buffoon I said the later DS1, go look again. I said the later DS1. I'm aware the launch PS1 controller was not the DS1. Again go look I said the later DS1 is basically the same as the PS2 DS2.

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#143  Edited By I_own_u_4ever
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@Pedro said:

This thread backfired so bad that we now talking about graphics and double A batteries.

Tormentos is in full blown meltdown damage control

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@i_own_u_4ever said:
@tormentos said:
@ProtossRushX said:

I got a feeling X-series controllers won't have anything new or fresh like haptic feedback the ps5/switch has.

If you can still use your xb1 controller on next gen, then they didn't do anything big on there new controller to make it next gen. Think about that guys do you wanna go into the future with playstation 5 or back in time with xbox one controller? I know where Im going good luck xbox.

Yep that is probably the reason is basically the same shit with some minor adjustment.

The most hypocrite part about this is seeing lemming cry about having to buy a second PS5 controller as something bad,the same people who pay for MS over prices shitty elite controllers which still in damn 2020 doens't even have rechargeable batteries and have problems.

With what they pay for those over priced controllers you can buy probably 2 or 3 PS5 controllers.

The Elite controller is the best controller on the planet and has won awards and every gaming site has voted it as so also. Also you can have rechargeable batteries that have much longer life then the shitty DS4 controller plus you can use AA batteries also if you want.

i hope so for a 150 dollar controller.

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@i_own_u_4ever said:

Yup this is clearly another case of Sony squeezing their fans for every penny they can. There is literally no justification for this really at all except Sony just taking all their loyal fan bases hard earned money.

Sony does this with PS Now and makes you buy games again for most games. And now this. You can't possibly justify saying that a PS4 controller would not work on PS5 games. You just wouldn't have the trigger feedback whoopee doo or less vibration but this is a joke. This can easily be turned off in an option tab for games or something simple.

I know their is already a thread on PS5 and DS4, but it's specific to just the PS5. This thread is a debate for both XSX and PS5 based on new updated information as of today.

https://gamingbolt.com/xbox-series-x-will-support-all-xbox-one-controllers-in-all-games-reminds-microsoft

at least sony is making new features instead of recycling there xbox one controllers.

you guys don't like to move on do you? you xbox fans are stuck in 2013.

we want xbox one cross gen games for the next 2 years and want our old used controllers for our new machine with no update except the share button from the daulshock 4.

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#146 Gifford38
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@Pedro said:

I remember how much of a game changer the Dual Shock 4 touchpad was for PS4 games....🤣

the touch pad was used as the select button which i liked alot. you know how many times i hit the home button on the ps3 controller in a heat of battle instead of the select button? almost every day i used it like in warhawk. it was annoying.

the touch pad was nice to get into your inventory screen. plus how come adding features for developer to use = a bad thing?

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#147 Gifford38
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@sealionact said:
@subspecies said:

Lems looking for any ammunition against cows they can dig up. This is what desperation looks like, folks.

Answer me this, could you use a ps1 controller on a ps2? A ps2 controller on a ps3? A ps3 controller on a ps4?

Have fun with those questions.

No, No, No and No to a ps4 controller on a ps5. Amirite?

X1 controller on an XSX? Yup. Xsx controller on a X1? Yup.

Yups are good. No's suck.

so adding new features to your controller is a bad thing now?

ok list of features the ps5 controller has. this just the controller now.

1. hyper feed back.

2. Adaptive triggers with 2 settings one if you pull slightly and one if you pull all the way giving 2 buttons in one.

3. Create button.

4. touch pad also used as the select button.

5. motion controls used for vr games.

6. 360 axsis like the ps3

7. Audio jack

8. a speaker that is better than the ps4 speaker that is part of the 3d audio like wind in your face.

9. Built-in microphone into the controller.

10. Larger capacity battery than the ps4.

11. Heart rate and sweat sensors

12. Voice control

all of this is in one controller to give the developer options and the player is a bad thing right?

will third party use these feature? i bet thats your next question well the 3d audio is hardwired in and not a software if developer want to use it. they all will use it.

here is some proof

Speaking with Official PlayStation Magazine, Quantum Error's Micah Jones has said (via PSU) that with the PS5 controller "we are going to make every gunshot vibrate the side of the hand that would be holding the handle of the gun, vibrate the controller dynamically according to where the enemy hits you. We are going to have the player go to doors that have the possibility of backdraught explosions and the character will place his left hand on the door and if it’s hot the controller will vibrate on the left side of the controller to warn the player of an explosion if that door is opened."

Dirt 5's Rob Karp, meanwhile, has told the magazine (via PSU) "The DualSense is great. When we got the tech demo up and running the whole studio came around and everyone wanted a go. It offers something new and unique and we felt it fits really well for racing, especially for a game with such diversity of content and cars."

https://www.techradar.com/news/sony-ps5-controller-release-date-news-and-confirmed-features

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#148 BlackShirt20
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As I have said. MS has been ready for next gen. Sony hasn’t. It’s completely ridiculous.

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#149 Gifford38
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@BlackShirt20 said:

As I have said. MS has been ready for next gen. Sony hasn’t. It’s completely ridiculous.

give me a reason why sony is not ready? because the ps4 controller does not work with the ps5? thats your proof?

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#150 Fedor  Online
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@gifford38: Isn't there a rumor around Sony that they're rushing a spec upgrade before launch because they're insecure about being weaker than XSX?