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#1 KvallyX
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https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/ghostwire-tokyo-xbox-review

The most egregious issue plaguing Ghostwire: Tokyo, however, is the game's performance. On Xbox Series X, the game's frame rate is all over the place. Sometimes you'll turn a corner and see performance inexplicably dip from sixty frames down to 30 or lower, although it seems to be worse in certain areas and due to certain effects (like the game's grainy rain effects). And do forget "quality mode," since it introduces a bewildering slow-motion input delay that makes the game thoroughly unplayable. It also oddly hitches as you're moving around the city ever so slightly, creating an uncanny judder that is irritating once you've noticed it. The mission-oriented Spider's Thread expansion doesn't suffer from the same performance issues and judder I've noticed, which suggests to me that the issues stem from streaming the game's open world. Alas, hopefully, it's not unfixable.

The lack of consistency in the game's performance contributes to a variety of needless problems that prevent Ghostwire: Tokyo from hitting the quality bar it quite easily could have done.

How can MS not even release their game for their own console that doesn't run like shit? Your thoughts SW?

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#2  Edited By KathaarianCode
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Lmao, if they really butched the release of a (now) first party game like this, because they couldn't be bothered to make a proper port, that's freaking hilarious and MS should be ashamed.

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#3 KvallyX
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@kathaariancode said:

Lmao, if they really butched the release of a (now) first party game like this, because they couldn't be bothered to make a proper port, that's freaking hilarious and MS should be ashamed.

Agreed. The game sucks performance wise on both the PS and Xbox now. What is going on over there?

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#4 BenjaminBanklin
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Lemme guess, they turned up the IQ and the game runs like trash? It's 2023, MS. People don't care about resolution if it's gonna hurt the game. Man, the early PS4 gen really mindfucked them

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#5  Edited By hardwenzen
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Fake 12tflops.

From now on, i consider my ps5 as the 12tflops system and the X is the 9.2tflops one. This conversation is over.

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#6 Zero_epyon
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Can't blame Sony marketing deals on that one. The game is just not in great shape. How could they spend more time on this game and still not iron out the performance issues?

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#7 Zero_epyon
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@kvallyx said:
@kathaariancode said:

Lmao, if they really butched the release of a (now) first party game like this, because they couldn't be bothered to make a proper port, that's freaking hilarious and MS should be ashamed.

Agreed. The game sucks performance wise on both the PS and Xbox now. What is going on over there?

PC has issues as well. Very curious.

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@Zero_epyon said:

Can't blame Sony marketing deals on that one. The game is just not in great shape. How could they spend more time on this game and still not iron out the performance issues?

No shit! Thoughts @philspencer?

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#9  Edited By KathaarianCode
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At least the new content runs great.

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@BenjaminBanklin: I have no idea what's going on but it's crazy that since the OneX they've been picking resolution over performance. The OneX had a better CPU and GPU and still there were Pro versions running better because of the lower resolution.

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@kathaariancode said:

@BenjaminBanklin: I have no idea what's going on but it's crazy that since the OneX they've been picking resolution over performance. The OneX had a better CPU and GPU and still there were Pro versions running better because of the lower resolution.

The One X had the same CPU, but a better GPU and more RAM. It was an objectively better machine. The Series X in comparison seems to be all marketing, or it didn't turn out to be the beast they hoped it was. But they're still pushing that resolution mandate. Xbox has been having this weird image issue of wanting to show no weakness and it's passing down to the consumer

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It's free on gamepass so it doesn't matter.

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Game is gonna run fantastic on the PS6 and Xbox5

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@BenjaminBanklin said:

Lemme guess, they turned up the IQ and the game runs like trash? It's 2023, MS. People don't care about resolution if it's gonna hurt the game. Man, the early PS4 gen really mindfucked them

NOPE, they actually LOWED the IQ on Xbox Series X, at least in the Quality mode compared to the PS5.

*See my most recent comparison post for details.*

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@Zero_epyon said:

Can't blame Sony marketing deals on that one. The game is just not in great shape. How could they spend more time on this game and still not iron out the performance issues?

No they can't lol.

See my most recent PS5 vs XSX/S comparison thread. Should be a good time

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@joshrmeyer said:

It's free on gamepass so it doesn't matter.

It's also free on PS NOW

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#17  Edited By Randy_Lahey
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@hardwenzen said:

Fake 12tflops.

From now on, i consider my ps5 as the 12tflops system and the X is the 9.2tflops one. This conversation is over.

I’m going to have to agree with this. Something isn’t right under the hood. In no way is it delivering 12tflops.

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#18 JoshRMeyer
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@above_average: That's true. I have that and still don't wanna play it.

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#19 Randy_Lahey
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Looks like instead of monsters, the XSX is eating pieces of shit for breakfast.

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#20  Edited By hardwenzen
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Never have we seen a system that is more in need of TEH TOOLZ. For the love of god, please release the tools, Phil. Your fans are suffering.

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Mikami leave the studio in shame because of this and now I understand the decision.

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@kathaariancode: "I have no idea what's going on but it's crazy that since the OneX they've been picking resolution over performance. The OneX had a better CPU and GPU and still there were Pro versions running better because of the lower resolution."

That's how I felt devs treated XB1X, pushed for resolution over performance. These days devs at least give us performance or resolution modes... not here apparently.

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#23 lamprey263
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I have a feeling Tango got around to porting this late and we're getting a rushed port. They had previously released Hi-Fi Rush. And I thought it peculiar the game wasn't ready for the Series X a couple weeks back.

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@above_average said:

NOPE, they actually LOWED the IQ on Xbox Series X, at least in the Quality mode compared to the PS5.

*See my most recent comparison post for details.*

Yikes. Hopefully Hi-Fi Rush bought them some clout because Tango's gonna mess around and be the first studio MS shuts down with the new acquisitions if this is the case. j/k

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#25 lamprey263
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Saw the other now locked thread. That video doesn't make it seem nearly as bad as I was hearing. Still not ideal but I was thinking this was disastrous port or something.

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@kvallyx said:

No shit! Thoughts @philspencer?

Errr what?

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@above_average said:

See my most recent PS5 vs XSX/S comparison thread. Should be a good time

Indeed it was..it's closed 😂 Great time.

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#28  Edited By above_average
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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@above_average said:

NOPE, they actually LOWED the IQ on Xbox Series X, at least in the Quality mode compared to the PS5.

*See my most recent comparison post for details.*

Yikes. Hopefully Hi-Fi Rush bought them some clout because Tango's gonna mess around and be the first studio MS shuts down with the new acquisitions if this is the case. j/k

LMFAO, the MS/PC/Xbox fan mods are angry because PS5 keeps dropping W's over Xbox Series.

They locked my PS5 vs XSX/S comparison therad for no fkn reason. Telling me to post here WTF.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/first-ghost-wire-tokyo-ps5-vs-xbox-series-xs-compa-33601113/

No way does posting my thead here properly represent the context of my thread. The title of this thead is "xbox series x Ghostwire review performance slog"

My thread is "PS5 vs XSX/S comparison" lol the bias crap they do on this board to silence the voice of users who don't mirror their view is wild.

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#29 above_average
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REPOSTING

First Ghost Wire Tokyo PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S comparison. First MS owned studio current gen game across PS5 & XSX/S

This is an interesting comparison because not only is this a current gen only game, but because Bethesda is now a MS owned studio, they should be able to take full advantage of Xbox Series hardware with no bias toward the PS5.

*ElAnalistadebits figures are usually around the ball park of actual results, but may not be as precise as other analysts*

Loading Video...

  • Quality Mode: 1800p @30fps on PS5 & XSX; 1440p @30fps on XSS
  • Performance Mode: 1440p @60fps on PS5 & XSX; 900p @60fps on XSS
  • PS5 loads 1sec faster than XSX and XSX loads a 1 sec faster than XSS
  • In Quality mode: all versions appear to hold a locked 30fps.
  • In Performance mode: both PS5 & XSX/S drop below 60fps. XSS has the lowest drops down into the mid 40's and PS5 appears to have the least dropped frames between all versions in this mode.
  • In High Frame rate mode: (1080p) Both XSX and PS5 frame rate fluctuates wildly between 80 - 115fps. XSX appears to hold higher peak numbers than PS5. XSS does not have this mode.
  • In *PERFORMANCE High Frame rate mode: Both XSX and PS5 frame rate ALSO fluctuates between 80 - 115fps. XSX appears to hold higher peak numbers than PS5. XSS also does not have this mode.
  • PS5 displays far higher RT reflections than Xbox Series X in Quality Mode, however no figures were provided by the analyst to indicate the amount. Xbox Series S does not use any form of RT.
  • PS5 also displays more objects and details inside the RT reflections on screen.

A couple of head to head captures from the comparison shots

Thoughts?

I think Sony must have sent 120 devs to the studio. Am I right?

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#30 KvallyX
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@davillain: it was a joke. I tagged Phil Spencer even though he isn’t here. I am surprised that someone has his name here though.

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@kvallyx said:
@above_average said:

See my most recent PS5 vs XSX/S comparison thread. Should be a good time

Indeed it was..it's closed 😂 Great time.

If you can't beat them, silence them.

it's cool, your SW associates and MS mod buddies won't save you from reality this generation.

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@joshrmeyer said:

@above_average: That's true. I have that and still don't wanna play it.

lol me either

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#33 regnaston
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@kvallyx: I would wait until it is actually released day one instead of a pre-release copy.. if those issues are still there, then it will be a shame

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@kvallyx said:

@davillain: it was a joke. I tagged Phil Spencer even though he isn’t here. I am surprised that someone has his name here though.

The name you tag was banned long ago and for a sec, I thought he came back or something like that. Anyway, as you were.

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#35 Pedro
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The meltdown in this thread was worth the poor performance. 🤣

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Xbox and their weekly Ls.

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If @davillain hadn't banned Ron for no good reason we would have epic debates between him and below_average.

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@kathaariancode: It wasn't me. I don't know how Ron got banned in the first place. Some other mod did it before I even knew what was going on. Never had problems with him but oh well🤷🏼‍♂️

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@kathaariancode: Didn't you know that ron was the first beta of chatgpt secretly released upon the world years ago lol.

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#40  Edited By hardwenzen
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Ron was programmed to rage sometimes. Playing with emotions is what they were testing on that AI. I saw him call Tormy "BITCH"! Powerful insult, actually. Incredibly powerful.

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He became self aware and the government had to kill it.

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#42 simple-facts
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The last ps5 v Xbox studios game comparison,make the most of it cows🤣

The game will get patched like every other game......there is no patch that brings future games to PlayStation.

Chin up you still got Xbox studios call of duty and we all know how much Jim lying wants the same version as the much more powerful Xbox series x,he's been crying about it for months...the bitch

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no excuse for poor performance a year later after release on another platform..

that said, i'll give it a try on Game Pass to see how good/bad it is..

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#44 Star67
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@joshrmeyer: That's the kind of attitude that gets crap games released on gamepass/PS Now

a $15 subscription shouldn't mean crap games, but that's what you're gonna get if that's your attitude.

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#45 JoshRMeyer
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@Star67: I was poking fun at the Lems here. That's their excuse everytime a game comes out on gamepass that sucks.

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#46  Edited By Antwan3K
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@joshrmeyer said:

@Star67: I was poking fun at the Lems here. That's their excuse everytime a game comes out on gamepass that sucks.

what's the cow excuse for everytime a game comes out on Game Pass that doesn't suck?..

it seems they just choose to ignore/avoid those threads..

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#47 MysticalDonut
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No physical release of this game either for Xbox yet there was one for PS5

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghostwire-tokyo-seemingly-not-getting-a-physical-release-on-xbox.707858/

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#48 Pedro
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@mysticaldonut said:

No physical release of this game either for Xbox yet there was one for PS5

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghostwire-tokyo-seemingly-not-getting-a-physical-release-on-xbox.707858/

Oh no, that is...?

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@Pedro said:
@mysticaldonut said:

No physical release of this game either for Xbox yet there was one for PS5

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghostwire-tokyo-seemingly-not-getting-a-physical-release-on-xbox.707858/

Oh no, that is...?

That is no good for people who wanted to buy a physical copy of the game

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#50 Pedro
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@mysticaldonut said:

That is no good for people who wanted to buy a physical copy of the game

It is unfortunate for the two people who still purchase physical games.😞