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#1  Edited By SecretPolice
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MS is dooooomed I tellz ya, Dooomed. :P

Anyway, I'm pretty happy with X1 these days and had they not brought Phil on to right the ship they'd be in a heck of a lot worse position. I'd say they're probably lucky to be still in the sales game just in NA.

What do you think of this SW, can they catch the gen eight leader, live love and all that jazz? :P

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Xbox One Exec Admits PS4 Has "Huge Lead," Not Sure If Microsoft Can Catch Up

"We're not motivated by beating Sony, we're motivated by gaining as many customers as we can."

by Eddie Makuch on October 9, 2015

The PlayStation 4 has a "huge lead" over the Xbox One, according to Xbox boss Phil Spencer, an advantage that is so large right now that he's unsure if Microsoft's console can ever catch up.

Spencer's candid comments came during a panel at the 2015 GeekWire Summit. As reported by Videogamer, when Spencer was asked if he thought the Xbox One could outsell the PS4 this generation, he replied, "You know, I don't know. You know, the length of the generation... They [Sony] have a huge lead and they have a good product. I love the content, the games lineup that we have."

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The Head of Xbox went on to say that the situation surrounding the Xbox One's launch, marked by dramatic policy reversals and controversial comments from executives who have since left the company, had a negative effect on the platform's ability to have a strong start. In fact, Spencer admitted that Microsoft "fundamentally lost... the trust of our most loyal customers" at this time.

"Whether it's always-on, used games, whatever the feature was, we lost the trust in them that they were at the center of our decision-making process," he said. "Were we building a product for us, or were we building a product for the gamers? And as soon as that question came into people's minds and they looked at anything, whether it was the power of our box, our launch lineup, microtransactions, any of the features that you talked about, what you find is very quickly you lose the benefit of the doubt. You lose your customer's assumption that the reason you're building your product is to delight them and not just build a better and more maybe manipulative product."

Spencer was promoted to Head of Xbox in March 2014 and at that time, he said "job number one" was to attempt to regain the confidence of the Xbox team by way of being "very forthright" with them. He says he's already seeing a change in the team for the better. Instead of a team "that's questioning the leadership of the organization," he now sees a team "that's motivated by the customers that we have and their ability to delight them."

Spencer added: "I see a team that's making amazing progress. [Backwards compatibility] was one. We didn't know back compat would work. We started it. A few ninja engineers went off and figured it out, how do you go from PowerPC to X86 and translate game code that's about as time-critical as any piece of code that you would want in terms of its performance, and they got it done. So I would never question the ability of our organization, but I'll say we're not motivated by beating Sony, we're motivated by gaining as many customers as we can."

A direct sales comparison between Xbox One and PS4 is tough to nail down. As of June 30, Sony had shipped 25.3 million PS4 consoles worldwide, while the only shipment number Microsoft has ever announced for the Xbox One was 10 million. That figure, however, came back in November 2014.

You can watch the full interview below.

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It took him 2 years to admit the obvious.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

It took him 2 years to admit the obvious.

I dunno man, if they start selling those super fine Bunuru's at $299.99 starting mid November they could be back in it to win it....

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Spencer is the Head of Xbox that we need and deserve.

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@SecretPolice: $50 cheaper won't be enough. Last year they were $70 cheaper with $50 gift cards and free games on top of it.

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Soon, they will be so far behind that Spencer will stop talking about their competition completely

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#7 SecretPolice
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@NathanDrakeSwag:

But I'm saying 50 less plus the free games that come in those bundles. Being sub 300 dollars with free games really could clear the shelves come the holidays, I dunno, I just want Halo 5 and I'm good to go. :P

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At least Phil is realistic and honest unlike Sony execs. "We have a great holiday lineup!!!!"-Lying Sony exec.

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I mean, in a way this is a good thing if you are a fan of MS. It seems to show they are dedicated to staying in consoles. If you are a die-hard Lem that can't let go of the victories of yesteryear, well then yeah, tough luck.

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@SecretPolice: But the only current $350 bundles they have include either Lego or Gears remaster. Unless you think they will drop the Halo and Fallout 1TB bundles to $300 which I can't see happening.

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Honesty after almost completely burning down the xbox brand yeah they just want back customer support at this point. People are easily convinced by general public perception and xbox is trying to get over the bad reception they got is all.

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#12  Edited By SecretPolice
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@NathanDrakeSwag: Oh, I though there were others, hmm, well then I suppose it's just how bad MS want to win NA. They likely could do that but yeah, I'm guessing they like profit more than winning, so would I. lol

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Yes gain the customer base back, peoples trust and carry that over to the next generation whenever that releases, start building again from the bottom is what Microsoft are doing after that massive screw up.

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This loss will motivate Phil to make the next Xbox console truly amazing.

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@emgesp said:

This loss will motivate Phil to make the next Xbox console truly amazing.

Okay, don't tease me with a good time, now I want this gen over so I can get the amazing ummmmm, Xbox Too. :P

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#16  Edited By BigKingCheese
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Time to follow your master's heart and accept reality, lemmings.

@emgesp said:

This loss will motivate Phil to make the next Xbox console truly amazing.

There won't be another.

@mems_1224 said:

At least Phil is realistic and honest unlike Sony execs. "We have a great holiday lineup!!!!"-Lying Sony exec.

When is Uncle Phil going to address the absolute drought of games on the Dustbox?

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@mems_1224 said:

At least Phil is realistic and honest unlike Sony execs. "We have a great holiday lineup!!!!"-Lying Sony exec.

They have like 4 or 5 80+ games release from DQ to Uncharted,Disgaia to Tearaway, Tales,they are getting games,and is not like MS is doing out of this world,Gears has 83,Forza 6 has 87 and Halo still unrated...

I remember last gen how games with 87 score like Resistance were crap for you,this gen 87 and 83 is ok,boy how standards have change...lol

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@tormentos said:
@mems_1224 said:

At least Phil is realistic and honest unlike Sony execs. "We have a great holiday lineup!!!!"-Lying Sony exec.

They have like 4 or 5 80+ games release from DQ to Uncharted,Disgaia to Tearaway, Tales,they are getting games,and is not like MS is doing out of this world,Gears has 83,Forza 6 has 87 and Halo still unrated...

I remember last gen how games with 87 score like Resistance were crap for you,this gen 87 and 83 is ok,boy how standards have change...lol

great, so ps4 has no games. thanks for proving my point

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Hyperbole versus hyperbole. Who will win?

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I'm kind of glad the xbox one is so far behind the PS4. Means MS has to create more exclusives/win 10 games, can't rely on third party. Pretty big reversal from last gen when they relied heavily on third party and sprinkled exclusives at a much slower pace. MS really has to focus on churning out exclusive/win10 content to be a viable option. So I'm starting to see the payoff with games like crackdown, sea of thieves, Fable legends, Quantum Break, re-core and etc....So being thumped by PS4 this gen is huge plus for me.

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@sts106mat: Forza never charts either so they have a lot in common. The difference being Tearaway was low budget with no marketing. Forza is big budget with lots of marketing and people still don't buy that shit.

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@BigBadBully said:

I'm kind of glad the xbox one is so far behind the PS4. Means MS has to create more exclusives/win 10 games, can't rely on third party. Pretty big reversal from last gen when they relied heavily on third party and sprinkled exclusives at a much slower pace. MS really has to focus on churning out exclusive/win10 content to be a viable option. So I'm starting to see the payoff with games like crackdown, sea of thieves, Fable legends, Quantum Break, re-core and etc....So being thumped by PS4 this gen is huge plus for me.

SP Approved, MS with their backs to the wall is a great thing for X1 owners.

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This is a part of life. It's like being in a relation, you put all that time and effect to build up trust and do and say all the right things for years and you screw up 1 time and you're tarnished forever lol. MS have a long way to go to build that trust back up that they built with the 360. Although they are saying and doing all the right things now, it's going to take sometime to get people back.

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@BigShotSmoov007 said:

This is a part of life. It's like being in a relation, you put all that time and effect to build up trust and do and say all the right things for years and you screw up 1 time and you're tarnished forever lol. MS have a long way to go to build that trust back up that they built with the 360. Although they are saying and doing all the right things now, it's going to take sometime to get people back.

Great analogy and it made me chuckle.

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@bigkingcheese said:

Time to follow your master's heart and accept reality, lemmings.

@emgesp said:

This loss will motivate Phil to make the next Xbox console truly amazing.

There won't be another.

@mems_1224 said:

At least Phil is realistic and honest unlike Sony execs. "We have a great holiday lineup!!!!"-Lying Sony exec.

When is Uncle Phil going to address the absolute drought of games on the Dustbox?

Of course there will be another Xbox. It might not win this generation, but the XB1 is still selling well relative to how the 360 was selling during the same time frame.

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@sts106mat said:

@NathanDrakeSwag: except forza did chart and is still in the top 10. try harder cow

Hahaha, still in denial it underperformed in relation to every other Forza game? Fatigue's setting in, Matty. :)

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Just get good games and everything will work out for you.

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@bigkingcheese said:
@sts106mat said:

@NathanDrakeSwag: except forza did chart and is still in the top 10. try harder cow

Hahaha, still in denial it underperformed in relation to every other Forza game? Fatigue's setting in, Matty. :)

I for one, a big fan of Forza games, have yet to buy my copy since I still have stuff to do in FH2 and perhaps like many, we'll buy FM6 around Christmas so the number sold could jump substantially around the holiday.

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@Shewgenja said:

Hyperbole versus hyperbole. Who will win?

Not sure but its my fav type of SW fight *grabs popcorn*

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@blue_hazy_basic said:
@Shewgenja said:

Hyperbole versus hyperbole. Who will win?

Not sure but its my fav type of SW fight *grabs popcorn*

LOL, me too! It's like, games don't count because of arbitrary reasons. I always default to the tried and true "PS4 has more games" but this isn't my fight.

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@tormentos said:
@mems_1224 said:

At least Phil is realistic and honest unlike Sony execs. "We have a great holiday lineup!!!!"-Lying Sony exec.

They have like 4 or 5 80+ games release from DQ to Uncharted,Disgaia to Tearaway, Tales,they are getting games,and is not like MS is doing out of this world,Gears has 83,Forza 6 has 87 and Halo still unrated...

I remember last gen how games with 87 score like Resistance were crap for you,this gen 87 and 83 is ok,boy how standards have change...lol

60% of the people that buy a certain game don't look at game reviews and that's just me playing it safe.

Also a game is a subjective experience. Not universal one that you can force on everyone.

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@BigBadBully said:

I'm kind of glad the xbox one is so far behind the PS4. Means MS has to create more exclusives/win 10 games, can't rely on third party. Pretty big reversal from last gen when they relied heavily on third party and sprinkled exclusives at a much slower pace. MS really has to focus on churning out exclusive/win10 content to be a viable option. So I'm starting to see the payoff with games like crackdown, sea of thieves, Fable legends, Quantum Break, re-core and etc....So being thumped by PS4 this gen is huge plus for me.

Yeah, it's usually better to own the console that isn't winning sales.

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#35  Edited By Zero_epyon
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But didn't @nyadc say Xbox would catch up to the PS4 by the end of this year?

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@SecretPolice said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:

This is a part of life. It's like being in a relation, you put all that time and effect to build up trust and do and say all the right things for years and you screw up 1 time and you're tarnished forever lol. MS have a long way to go to build that trust back up that they built with the 360. Although they are saying and doing all the right things now, it's going to take sometime to get people back.

Great analogy and it made me chuckle.

Glad to see someone caught on, only someone who's actually been in one would get that analogy, which I doubt a lot of people on here have been in smh.

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Hearfelt words from MS themselves admitting PS4's greatness, mass appeal and apparently gen 8 console leader in hand,

@PurpleMan5000 said:
@BigBadBully said:

I'm kind of glad the xbox one is so far behind the PS4. Means MS has to create more exclusives/win 10 games, can't rely on third party. Pretty big reversal from last gen when they relied heavily on third party and sprinkled exclusives at a much slower pace. MS really has to focus on churning out exclusive/win10 content to be a viable option. So I'm starting to see the payoff with games like crackdown, sea of thieves, Fable legends, Quantum Break, re-core and etc....So being thumped by PS4 this gen is huge plus for me.

Yeah, it's usually better to own the console that isn't winning sales.

And THIS honestly will probably make me buy MS next console first next gen and wait for PS5 till Naughty Gods 1st game release.

MS will be motivated like SONY was this gen.

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@PurpleMan5000 said:
@BigBadBully said:

I'm kind of glad the xbox one is so far behind the PS4. Means MS has to create more exclusives/win 10 games, can't rely on third party. Pretty big reversal from last gen when they relied heavily on third party and sprinkled exclusives at a much slower pace. MS really has to focus on churning out exclusive/win10 content to be a viable option. So I'm starting to see the payoff with games like crackdown, sea of thieves, Fable legends, Quantum Break, re-core and etc....So being thumped by PS4 this gen is huge plus for me.

Yeah, it's usually better to own the console that isn't winning sales.

Do gamers play sales or the games they have?

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@BigBadBully: Yep, and even then content-wise they're getting thumped by the PS4. Really does look like MS is backing out of vidya. Oh well.

@sts106mat said:

@bigkingcheese: did it really?

oh wait, you are that bandodger grenadelauncher

hahaha

Yeah it did, Matty. I even gave you numbers, which you summarily ignored because it upset you and you'd rather keep your head in the sand.

But hey, stay mad, it just exposes you as the lemming you are

hahaha

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@SecretPolice said:
@emgesp said:

This loss will motivate Phil to make the next Xbox console truly amazing.

Okay, don't tease me with a good time, now I want this gen over so I can get the amazing ummmmm, Xbox Too. :P

Each console generation is aging faster and faster, it wouldn't surprise me if the next-gen is out in the next 3 years. With the new Nintendo system coming out soon, Sony/MS will soon follow. I still love my PS4 and Xbox One for their exclusive games, but that's about it. Xbox: Infinity. [It was the rumor name back then.

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Well I do like my girls BBW :P

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@BigShotSmoov007 said:
@SecretPolice said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:

This is a part of life. It's like being in a relation, you put all that time and effect to build up trust and do and say all the right things for years and you screw up 1 time and you're tarnished forever lol. MS have a long way to go to build that trust back up that they built with the 360. Although they are saying and doing all the right things now, it's going to take sometime to get people back.

Great analogy and it made me chuckle.

Glad to see someone caught on, only someone who's actually been in one would get that analogy, which I doubt a lot of people on here have been in smh.

Oh I know all too well, the woman I've been with for 12 years; she and I aren't speaking for the past couple months right now . lol

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@Heil68 said:

Hearfelt words from MS themselves admitting PS4's greatness, mass appeal and apparently gen 8 console leader in hand,

@PurpleMan5000 said:
@BigBadBully said:

I'm kind of glad the xbox one is so far behind the PS4. Means MS has to create more exclusives/win 10 games, can't rely on third party. Pretty big reversal from last gen when they relied heavily on third party and sprinkled exclusives at a much slower pace. MS really has to focus on churning out exclusive/win10 content to be a viable option. So I'm starting to see the payoff with games like crackdown, sea of thieves, Fable legends, Quantum Break, re-core and etc....So being thumped by PS4 this gen is huge plus for me.

Yeah, it's usually better to own the console that isn't winning sales.

And THIS honestly will probably make me buy MS next console first next gen and wait for PS5 till Naughty Gods 1st game release.

MS will be motivated like SONY was this gen.

My gut tells me that next gen, they are both going to go at it in full Beast Mode. SNES vs Genesis style. That is, if MSes shareholders don't put XBox on a chopping block.

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@davillain-:

lol, More cushion for the pushin? :P

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Nice interview. For me, just like any previous generation where I was an owner of a Nintendo, Sega or Playstation platform, I never cared about sales and all I care about is that my console of choice is strongly supported, and there is absolutely no sign of MS dialing back on its Xbox One support.

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@davillain-:

lol, More cushion for the pushin? :P

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@mems_1224 said:

great, so ps4 has no games. thanks for proving my point

Thanks for proving mine officially you are blind..lol

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@tormentos: hahahahahahahha - you call that >>>>>>>>

a game?

hahahahahaha

Tearaway is a vita port, that nobody wants. it didn't even make the top 20.

try again Eltormo

Hhahahahahahahahhahahahhhahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Lets see no matter how hard you try to downplay the games i just name this is the reality with them.

Tearaway 82%

Disgaea 83%

DQ 79%

Uncharted Collection 87 %

The Talos Principle 90% (lol)

And not counting Tales of Zestiria which hasn't being release, for one thing i am sure those games there which some how you don't consider games,have better score than Ryse 60 which you consider a good game and which you enjoy it,so spare me your cries you have a shitty taste confirmed.

And if you enjoyed something as boring and bland as Ryse hell any one can enjoy those up there on PS4..lol

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#49 gregbmil
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I would be happy with only my Xbox One. I do have a PS4 and gets a lot more use though.

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#50  Edited By lamprey263
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Didn't we get a thread based on these comments last week? And didn't I hear the same thing from Balmer in that South Park episode two years ago?