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#1 PCgameruk
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The survival of PC gaming benefits console gaming but would the fanboys admit it? The PS5 is basically a AMD build. The next xbox will be AMD most likely, these companies thrive on the sales PC gaming brings in from high end hardware. They invest forward bringing better performance and less power/heat consumption. AMD, intel, Nvidia creating a more advanced affordable console. And also stuff like ram, storage drives, cooling all from companies doing well through PC gaming.

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#3 DaVillain-  Moderator
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Console gamers need us PC gamers more then we need them.

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#4 Telekill
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Agree with Ant on this.

If PC gamers weren't so insufferable, I would be more open to gaming on the platform. I mostly use mine for HD video editing and would find playing some games interesting on PC.

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#5 hrt_rulz01
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Both are as important as each other... you take away either of them, and everything we love about the industry and the types of games we play, would go away.

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#6  Edited By watercrack445
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PS4 can run Crysis and the next-gen will be able to run Star Citizen. Crysis was PC best game and once the consoles, at least for PS5, will able to run the current best PC game Star Citizen, PC gaming industry will be trouble. First party studios are increasingly closing the gap between pc gaming and console gaming.

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#7 lundy86_4
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@watercrack445 said:

PS4 can run Crysis and the next-gen will be able to run Star Citizen. Crysis was PC best game and once the consoles, at least for PS5, will able to run the current best PC game Star Citizen, PC gaming industry will be trouble. First party studios are increasingly closing the gap between pc gaming and console gaming.

That post made zero sense for two reasons... The first being that the actual English language was butchered. The second being that you are purely speculating. The 360/PS3 ran Crysis with some of the most horrid visuals i've seen... It even omitted an entire level. Just so you know, I played it on PC as well as the 360, so i've experienced both.

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@hrt_rulz01 said:

Both are as important as each other... you take away either of them, and everything we love about the industry and the types of games we play, would go away.

This is very true. Consoles and PC have their place, but there's no doubt that if you don't mind a little extra work, the PC easily surpasses anything from consoles. At the end of the day, I'm typically a whatever floats your boat kind of guy.

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Not at all. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo(sometimes) are generally only concerned with their next console outperforming the previous one, in some way.

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#10 Random_Matt
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Next gen is bad news for PC gamers according to DF.

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@Random_Matt said:

Next gen is bad news for PC gamers according to DF.

In what way? No sarcasm, i'm actually interested.

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#12  Edited By lundy86_4
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@joebones5000 said:

Not at all. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo(sometimes) are generally only concerned with their next console outperforming the previous one, in some way.

That's not the argument. It's the argument of progressive technology, which would be largely limited in a console-only environment. If Nvidia and AMD catered solely for the consoles, upgrades could, and probably would, be largely minimal. The PC hardware market allows for constant upgrades to meet multiple uses, whereas consoles meet a single use.

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@Random_Matt said:

Next gen is bad news for PC gamers according to DF.

Yeah right. My PC is still more capable than PS5 will be. Either way, I'll still be getting a PS5 though just for the excursive.

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#14  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Speaking as a long-time pc gamer, consoles have better games now. Most of the games pc gamers brag about are typically console ports, and most of the games I play are console ports.

Unless you care about require-a-microscope visual difference at a huge price point, ain't missing anything, so don't worry about it.

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#15 Zaryia
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@Random_Matt said:

Next gen is bad news for PC gamers according to DF.

1. People say this every gen. It ends badly, very very badly for them. PC is by far ahead right now. In all major facets.

2. Link?

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#16 JasonOfA36
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They both need each other.

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#17 Zaryia
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@uninspiredcup said:

Speaking as a long-time pc gamer, consoles have better games now. Most of the games pc gamers brag about are typically console ports, and most of the games I play are console ports.

Unless you care about require-a-microscope visual difference at a huge price point, ain't missing anything, so don't worry about it.

As a long time pc gamer, I disagree with everything this guy just said.

It has over 100-200 more high scoring games than each console, while having substantially easy to notice better gfx and fps.

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#18  Edited By AJStyles
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PC gaming needs consoles more.

Console gamers are the only thing keeping the industry alive. We buy games at full price. Without us, AAA games would die out and all you would be left with is terrible indie games and date sims on steam.

PC gamers don’t support the industry. They would rather play WoW, LoL, Counter Strike or Skyrim for 10 years straight.

AAA games are made for consoles. When was the last time PC had a big budget AAA exclusive? Crysis? LMAO

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#19  Edited By lundy86_4
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@ajstyles said:

PC gaming needs consoles more.

Console gamers are the only thing keeping the industry alive. We buy games at full price. Without us, AAA games would die out and all you would be left with is terrible indie games and date sims on steam.

PC gamers don’t support the industry. They would rather play WoW, LoL, Counter Strike or Skyrim for 10 years straight.

AAA games are made for consoles. When was the last time PC had a big budget AAA exclusive? Crysis? LMAO

Links to prove everything you posted?

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#20  Edited By JasonOfA36
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@ajstyles said:

PC gaming needs consoles more.

Console gamers are the only thing keeping the industry alive. We buy games at full price. Without us, AAA games would die out and all you would be left with is terrible indie games and date sims on steam.

PC gamers don’t support the industry. They would rather play WoW, LoL, Counter Strike or Skyrim for 10 years straight.

AAA games are made for consoles. When was the last time PC had a big budget AAA exclusive? Crysis? LMAO

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/capcom-now-considers-the-pc-an-important-platform-will-strive-to-further-expand-its-pc-sales/

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/risk-of-rain-2-sells-half-a-million-copies-in-its-first-week-of-early-access/

https://www.pcgamesinsider.biz/news/68704/pc-is-monster-hunter-worlds-second-largest-platform-capcom-says/


Sure. I believe your words. /s

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#21 GarGx1
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@uninspiredcup said:

Speaking as a long-time pc gamer, consoles have better games now. Most of the games pc gamers brag about are typically console ports, and most of the games I play are console ports.

Unless you care about require-a-microscope visual difference at a huge price point, ain't missing anything, so don't worry about it.

If all you play are older games, low spec indies and fighters then you may think that's a statement of fact. By the way most of those older games won't run on a modern console at all.

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#22 Pedro
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PC and console gaming is simbiotic.

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#23 mandzilla  Moderator
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Both bring a lot to the table. If you like real time strategy games like I do, then you pretty much need a laptop/PC.

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#24 PC_Rocks
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Console owe their existence to PC and PC gamers, without us they will cease to exist.

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@lundy86_4 said:
@Random_Matt said:

Next gen is bad news for PC gamers according to DF.

In what way? No sarcasm, i'm actually interested.

Richard said the base moves substantially forward, you light/mid range PC gamer will likely need to upgrade just about every component. For instance, my bro has only a quad core CPU and RX 580, he's fucked in that sense and will not be paying current prices PC offers currently.

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@Random_Matt said:
@lundy86_4 said:
@Random_Matt said:

Next gen is bad news for PC gamers according to DF.

In what way? No sarcasm, i'm actually interested.

Richard said the base moves substantially forward, you light/mid range PC gamer will likely need to upgrade just about every component. For instance, my bro has only a quad core CPU and RX 580, he's fucked in that sense and will not be paying current prices PC offers currently.

That happens a lot of gens. Consoles become a serious rival to entry/mid level PCs, but that only lasts for a year or so.

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On topic:

What is with these PC doom threads. The PC is not linear in the way that, anyone with any semi capable PC can game if they want to and there's about a billion PCs out there. There's always something to play, we are not bound by power. I have a Mac and a PC (which can also game), right next to that I have a late 2008 iMac (with Windows 7) I still use for gaming with it's core 2 duo and 8800GS gpu. It's good for 7th gen era games, GoG games and some others.

We don't have to move day one with new gens, because we don't have gens. We can gradually move with them, if we want.

I think people mix up PC gaming with the vocal minority who boast about specs. And in a billion PCs, they are a minority. PC gaming is never one thing, it's anything you want it to be at any level from hardware to settings to software.

I have no idea what it would take to end PC gaming, publishers and digital stores make so much money, but it belongs to anyone who wants to make a game, even vulcan is made by many and is open source I think, it belongs to no one. Where as Xbox stops when M$ give up on console gaming, if you get my point. I think for PC gaming to end, the PC as a whole would have to cease.

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#27 rzxv04
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Not sure about the "need" as I imagine that console hardware would branch out to a different path on a hypothetical scenario. Possibly slower development on the hardware side of things.

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#28 nepu7supastar7
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@PCgameruk:

If it weren't for console gamers, you wouldn't have such awesome 3rd party games to show off your pc performance. - You're welcome! So you need us all the same. Otherwise, you'd be stuck with vaporware like Star Citizen and garbage indie games.

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#29 osan0
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as a PC gamer primarily: thats not really true except for maybe the GPU side.

CPU and ram designs are primarily made for the server market. its just fed down to the consumer market. same with storage: from sata protocols to SSDs and so on: all this was designed first and foremost for the server market.

on the GPU side: one kind of feeds the other and thats only been true since the first xbox really. before then PCs and consoles were very different animals on the GPU side (even the gamecube, which had a GPU designed by ATI, used a different architecture to anything ever released on the PC as far as i know).

If PCs didnt exist then where would console manufacturers get their hardware? well they could continue to design their own more bespoke solutions. ARM cpus have also been shown to be quite capable on the gaming front. Mobile GPUs are no slouches either for that matter: that could be a source of tech to use in a console.

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#30 SecretPolice
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Eeewwww, Pee Salty Seas are for work, consoles for play. :P

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#31 Sevenizz
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I tried pc gaming, but my rig became obsolete rather quickly and in the end just became a World of Warcraft delivery machine. Once I quit WoW, I quit pc gaming. It just wasn’t worth the hassle/headaches.

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#32 tenaka2
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Consoles are a good gaming solution for poor people.

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#33 SaltSlasher
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I like consoles for what they are, essentially little toys. This isn't mid-90s when PS1 was the coolest machine ever, and majority of PS1 games were only on PS1, there was a reason to own them.

This gen, it took how long to make the PS4 worth owning, 3-4 years. I was fine with PC before it, and will be fine after.

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#34 onesiphorus
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Would PC gamers admit that gaming is supposed to be a hobby, not a religion?

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#35  Edited By mrbojangles25
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I would argue that both are needed: PC hardware sales push the technological curve because they demand better performance, while the open-ended nature allows for more creative game development; consoles keep the price of hardware reasonable by being a reliable source of income for hardware and game developers, while the "plug and play" demands of their demographic make sure game and hardware development remains streamlined.

Without consoles, I think hardware would be more expensive and games a lot more complex than needed; without PC, we'd be resting on our laurels a lot more than we currently are and things would be boring and stagnant.

I like to think of PC as the pioneer, braving the frontier and finding new resources and territory; while console gamers are the homesteaders, settling in that territory just behind the pioneers, making sure all that work and progress is put to good use by a lot of people. It's a good balance.

@onesiphorus said:

Would PC gamers admit that gaming is supposed to be a hobby, not a religion?

What's wrong with being passionate for one's hobby? You think PC gamers are bad? Go hang out with homebrewers. Oof.

Furthermore, don't console gamers deify too? Except they tend to deify individual titles they are brainwashed to believe in. They don't champion the big picture so much as the exclusives they are handed out. God of War? Their Jesus. Spider-man? Might as well be Vishnu. PC gaming is more like an agnostic "Hey man, it's all good, there's a higher power and as long as you don't bug me it's fine to believe what you want" but then along come the sycophantic console gamers going "THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND IT IS GOD OF WAR! PC HEATHENS WILL BURN!" and then PC gaming just dominates with rational thinking and facts like any good atheist and agnostic while consoles just go "Bu-bu-but exclusives are everything!"

With that said, I guess some of the confusion you are experiencing about being casual or "religious" about hobbies stems from the fact that console gaming is generally a "passive" hobby in that you go out, buy a pre-made machine with one or two variations, and then you play what games you are told to play.

Console gaming is not so much a hobby as it is "something you do". Is watching TV a hobby? Is reading magazines a hobby? No, it's just something you do to entertain yourself. Same with console gaming.

PC gaming, however, is a hobby in that it requires a certain amount of knowledge, skill, and passion. You often need to know a fair amount about hardware before buying or building a PC. You need to be passionate because it demands a certain amount of time and resources to do it. And you need to research and stay current because there are tons of games in a multitude of genres coming out every month and it's easy to get overwhelmed. This is why you will see more PC gamers are often "specialized" and stick to specific genres for the most part, while console gamers seem to play whatever is popular or marketed heavily.

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...garbage indie games.

I will never understand the hate independently published games receive. It's like they killed every other person's dog and screwed their mom. It's irrational.

I am struggling to finish Horizon: Zero Dawn, and yet I find myself on my 300th+ hour of Factorio. I couldn't be bothered to finish Far Cry: New Dawn because *yawn*, and yet I happily spend hours in Elite: Dangerous just for a few minutes of jaw-dropping exploration. And while I am enjoying God of War, I find myself pulled away from the alleged "best game of all time" for break-through hits like Dead Cells, Into the Breach, and many others.

*shrug* but hey, that's just me. And millions of other people.

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@PCgameruk: Its more like PC gaming survival depending on console gaming. Even then, most exclusives dont end up on PC and theres very few must have exclusives on PC. There was a time when great games like counter strike, half life, command and conquer simply couldn't be played on consoles of the time. Now, top games often dont make it to PC, or as in the case of many such as rdr2....very late.

Differences in graphics used to be huge, now it's only frame rates that are better on high end PCs costing way more than consoles with equivalent features and hardware.

With the mess that is multiple game stores, the price and effort of sourcing and building a top PC, big problems with cheaters, aesthetics and other issues, I hope PC pulls through and survives, because football manager can still only be played best on PC.

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Seing Sony starting censoring games left and right I'm leaning more and more towards PC gaming from now on. I really despise any sort of censoring bs. PC, as an open platform, wont be shackled by some corporate dictatorship

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#38 EG101
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The One game I miss by not playing on PC is Civilization but now that Civ is available on Switch there is no need to PC game for me. PC does have the Greatest game library of all time. No doubt about that.

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#39  Edited By Kali-B1rd
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@Telekill said:

Agree with Ant on this.

If PC gamers weren't so insufferable, I would be more open to gaming on the platform. I mostly use mine for HD video editing and would find playing some games interesting on PC.

This is so damn stupid.

You are on a forum about system wars. Cows brag NON stop here. Yet you are in that camp.

Not enjoying something because of system wars is just daft.

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#40  Edited By Pedro
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@nepu7supastar7 said:

@PCgameruk:

If it weren't for console gamers, you wouldn't have such awesome 3rd party games to show off your pc performance. - You're welcome! So you need us all the same. Otherwise, you'd be stuck with vaporware like Star Citizen and garbage indie games.

This is true. The reality is that both markets benefit and feed off each others success. Failure to see this is rather bewildering.

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@sealionact said:

@PCgameruk: Its more like PC gaming survival depending on console gaming. Even then, most exclusives dont end up on PC and theres very few must have exclusives on PC. There was a time when great games like counter strike, half life, command and conquer simply couldn't be played on consoles of the time. Now, top games often dont make it to PC, or as in the case of many such as rdr2....very late.

Differences in graphics used to be huge, now it's only frame rates that are better on high end PCs costing way more than consoles with equivalent features and hardware.

With the mess that is multiple game stores, the price and effort of sourcing and building a top PC, big problems with cheaters, aesthetics and other issues, I hope PC pulls through and survives, because football manager can still only be played best on PC.

Name some games then because I can think of only one or two games in recent years that are huge and aren't on PC that aren't first party titles and RDR2 is the first one the only other I can think of is Kingdom Hearts 3. PC still gets tons of games. You bring up Counterstrike but seem to ignore the most recent Counterstrike game CSGO being huge and practically PC exclusive due to the dead player base on consoles and PC getting tons more content and even going F2P.

The PC gaming industry is doing better than ever, just because it lacks the traditional AAA games of its past doesn't mean it's dying. It's making more money to the point console centric companies like Capcom now see it as a high priority and companies that trashed PC gaming in the past because of piracy such as Epic Games and Ubisoft are now trying to get a slice of the market.

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#42  Edited By sealionact
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@NoodleFighter: Why would you exclude first party games from a list that's not on PC? If the positives of having a ps4 or Switch are the exclusives, then its an negative to not have them on PC. Most of the top games from the past twelve months are either not on PC, or are only on there because of Xbox which is why I maintain that PC is surviving thanks to a strong console generation, not as the op claims the other way around.

Think it's pretty telling that you would put csgo forward as a come back.... a game that's 7 years old now, and looks very, very basic compared to shooters today...

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#43 NoodleFighter
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@sealionact: You made it seem like big multiplatform games skip PC. I did not include first party because they're owned by their console manufacturers. The amount of third party exclusives has dramatically decreased on consoles they're all on PC now. A lot of console gamings' especially Playstation and Nintendo got some of their big heavy hitters from 3rd party developers. Since PC is made up completely of 3rd of course a lot of them will come to consoles hell even those games/franchises you listed had console versions.

PC gaming seems to be doing fine despite lacking "top games". Forget top games are the most popular genre and gaming trend right now originated from PC for the last 2 years now and destroyed ever top console exclusive in popularity?

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#44 Sushiglutton
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Absolutely! PC-gaming is needed to evolve technology. Console gaming is needed to evolve game design. Both are important!

Ok that part about console gaming and game design wasn't really true :). But it sounded catchy to me. And this is SW!

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#45 sealionact
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@NoodleFighter: How did it seem like I was talking about 3rd party games when I clearly said exclusives?

Your last sentence doesnt make sense so I cant answer it.

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#46 MosquitoBaby
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If people weren't stupid fanboys they'd realize they need both. The Switch in particular has produced more AAA and AAAA games the PC has in the past 20 years.

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#47  Edited By NoodleFighter
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@sealionact: You said that top games often don't make it to PC and used RDR2 as an example so in my mind I thought you were talking about 3rd party games. Sometimes console gamers also refer to multiplatform games as exclusive simply because they aren't on PC and this was an argument used a lot last gen.

My last sentence was in response to you talking about PC lacking top games when the most popular game genre right now Battle Royal originated from PC and PUBG on PC destroyed every top console game in sales and popularity in its year of release. The PC is the birth place of the most popular games and genres right now. Even when these games come to console people still want to build and buy gaming PCs to play these games on and more games like this are likely to spawn on the PC first since its an open platform with audience much more willing to try different experiences than the console gaming crowd.

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#48  Edited By BoxRekt
Member since 2019 • 2071 Posts

Weird (and stupid)

2 VERY important things to PC gamers wouldn't even exist without consoles.

1. High end graphics adoption and progression.

2. Highly polished AAA game development that utilize CURRENT GEN graphics.

Anyone who agrees with the TC is shortsighted or just dumb.

The best PC's are CURRENTLY capable of near CGI level graphics in real time games, so why is the best looking current PC game only a high res 1.8TF console port?

ANSWER:

The PC game maket depends on a BASE line power/hardware saturation to develop games without fear of alienating their target audience. THAT is why most PC exclusives still look like PS3 games! PC exclusive devs need to make sure they create a game that can be played with any configuration.

CONSOLES, having "generations" and a BASE line power/hardware to work from gives devs a SAFE point to create games from because they are guaranteed to provide millions upon millions of users able to play X game at that power/hardware level. With this in mind, PC devs RAISE their bar for base line power/graphics to match that of consoles.

PC's open nature is both a gift and a curse!

Regardless of what PC fanboys think with their 2080's you guys would have LESS AAA games the likes of Final Fantasy XV and Monster Hunter World if consoles didn't exist.

If devs weren't looking forward to the NEXT GEN CONSOLE power jump, you guys wouldn't see games like 2077 being developed.

Your high power cards would be worthless without consoles cause you'd still be playing solitary and hangman.

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#49  Edited By xhawk27
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@davillain- said:

Console gamers need us PC gamers more then we need them.

If MS didn't start releasing Xbox games on the PC you guys would have less games then you already do. lol

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#50 DaVillain-  Moderator
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@xhawk27 said:
@davillain- said:

Console gamers need us PC gamers more then we need them.

If MS didn't start releasing Xbox games on the PC you guys would have less games then you already do. lol

Okay, you got me their. Credit were it's due. Thank you MS for porting your games on PC :)