Hermits hate to admit it.. but Blizzard is indeed dead.
SCII doesn't even have half the staying power of the original SC + expansion.
Diablo series has gone down the drain.
WoW...well.. let's just say fans want Warcraft IV.
With Blizzard dead and Bioware in turmoil, is Bethesda #1?
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Blizzard is dead?
Refute these then http://au.gamespot.com/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/user-reviews/799473/platform/pc/[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
Love the Bethesda hate in this thread. Can't stop reading dumb*ss reasons to hate on Skyrim.
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1. Your opinion that the storyline is bad, but you didn't give any evidence on how it "ruined the lore" of Elder Scrolls.
You can't levitate, explain that? Because it would ruin dungeon design.
2. Have you played the other Elder Scrolls games? There are no puzzles in any of the dungeons, plus they are much shorter.
I've played them all, and yes there are some puzzles, specifically levitating ones in Morrowind. However I would prefer no puzzles over crappy tedious ones.
3. It's an RPG. Level scaling is a staple of the genre, and it's WORLDS above Morrowinds and Oblivions.
The level scaling was practically non existant in Morrowind, and worse in Oblivion yes.
4. Mehrunes Razor, Mace of Molag Bal, Windshear, Blade of Woe, Savior's Hide, Nightingale Armor, Armor of the Old Gods, Linwe's Armor, Ebony Mail, Dragonbane, Keening, Valdr's Luck Dagger, Dawnbreaker, Spellbreaker, Ebony Blade, Ghostblade, Eduj, Okir, Volendrung, etc. Those are just the ones I can name off the top of my head.
I did the numbers a while ago, Morrowind has significantly more unique weapons and the point still stands they scale to the level you found them which is ridiculous.
5. An hour into Morrowind I had a Daedric Dai-katana I found in a mine. That's just me, but whatever. If you're one of those people that spams the crap out of the smithing system by making iron daggers for 10 straight hours and then complains how broken it is, then don't f*cking spend 10 straight hours smithing iron daggers to make amazing weapons and armor. It's a choice, not a necessity. I know people, most likely you, will say that's not a valid reason, but If I can avoid the temptation and not have a 100 Smithing skill until my character is at level 66, why the f*ck can't you?
I didn't do that, maybe it was before a patch or something but I got there with relative ease, especially if you just pick up all the junk in Dwemer ruins and smelt it.
6. At level 66, I'm still getting killed by Draugr Death Overlords and Ancient Dragons. Don't give me the "it's too easy" excuse. My guy in Morrowind was killing Ash Vampires and Ascended Sleepers, as well as Dremora, by the time I was at level 20, and I still enjoyed the hell out of that game.
Well your character build must be crap then because I can kill anything with absolute ease. Those enimies were weak in Morrowind
7. "Exploration", to me, involves going out into the wilderness and doing things on a whim, finding new ruins and caves to explore and pillage, not spending half an hour trying to find a single person standing around in the middle of a very small area because the compass hadn't been invented yet. It's annoying, not fun in any way. Do you know how long it took me to find the Mudcrab Merchant in Morrowind? 3 hours, and I did NOT have fun doing it.
Obviously your navigational abilities are garbage, but the worst part about Skyrim was that caves and settlements you had never found appeared on your minimap when you where within like 500 metres or something, so there was no stumbling across a secret cave or anything, you know where everything is.
8. Then don't fast travel if you don't want to. Again, it's optional, no one is forcing you to do it. I don't do it. I prefer to explore the wilds of Skyrim before. I actually like having the Fast Travel system in place because I can't tell you how many times I've gotten stuck in some glitch and fast travel saved me from having to restart to a previous save. When that happened in Morrowind, I was limited to spending hours jumping around trying to find a way out or restarting, and this was before Autosave, so I'd lose many hours of gameplay if I had to resort to that.
Use the console if you have to get out of being stuck, if you're not playing on PC then I guess there's nothing more to say. I never said I don't want fast travel, just not insta travel to anywhere from anywhere.
9. I hated the guild quests in Morrowind. Sure, they were long, but if you did certain things, you couldn't join a certain group, or you screwed over your progress in another questline, plus there really wasn't that much of an incentive to becoming the leader of anything. There was few perks, few items, just the title.
Some, in fact most of the best items in the game came from guild quests so there was an incentive. And yes of course there are consequences of your actions, the theives guild and fighters guild in Morrowind were not friends, so it makes perfect sense you cannot be the master of both at the same time.
10. Yeah, like I said above, Ancient Dragons. Even with the stormcall shout, they take a hell of a lot of abuse, and it takes a lot of patience and strategy to take them down.
Not in my experience.
11. It's an Elder Scrolls game. I've sunk over 1200 hours into Skyrim and I've done very little of what the game has to offer. I don't need expansions to have a lot of long hours of fun with Skyrim.
Not sure how you can put that much time in, the game is pretty bland.
12. You hate the fact that the Skill Tree is limited, but you praise Morrowind's guild system for being limited? The Skill Tree is meant for Customization of Characters, not to let you become a God like you could in Morrowind and Oblivion. I just beat Morrowind a few days ago. My guy was at level 80 and I killed Dagoth Ur in 5 hits, plus don't get me started on Morrowind's weapon system.
Limiting skills makes no sense, why cannot somebody train to be a master of all skills? Limiting guilds makes sense because like I said above, the theives guild and Fighters guild would never, ever let you be master of both.
I'll give you this, Morrowind was a better game content-wise, but Skyrim took everything Morrowind and Oblivion did right and polished it down, and took everything they did wrong and fixed them, or just got rid of them. Sure, there's no class system anymore, but the Skill Tree allows for more in-depth customization, allowing for tweaks to certain stats to compliment your character, plus it's the first game where being a mage isn't a chore to become, it's smooth and rewarding. Morrowind had a TERRIBLE magic and weapons system, with a large percentage of failures early on, and when they became reliable, you were a god if you played right.
I can tell you're a guy who grinds his character, and in this game, they streamlined it instead of drawing it out, like the failure system of Morrowind. All of the reasons you are using to refute Skyrim's status as an amazing game are your own personal annoyances instead of legitimate, game-breaking reasons to hate Skyrim. You linked to a review YOU made that listed why Skyrim didn't cater to YOUR play style, and worst of all, they were all small annoyances that are all either optional, non-existant, or can be fixed by NOT GRINDING FOR HOURS.
I don't grind, you're taking that entirely from the smithing comment which is untrue. If you want to know what real grinding is then play something like WOW or Runescape. Skyrim didn't cater to the playstyle of it's fans, or at least the people who had been playing since before Oblivion.
Skyrim is an amazing game. It is much better than Oblivion with it's broken level scaling, bland dungeons, and repetitive quests. It has many features that are better than Morrowind, being the streamlined leveling and fixed weapons and magic system. It may just be that I play the game differently than you, that I don't grind or try to do things as fast as possible, but every reason I've ever heard to hate on Skyrim is one of 2 things: Personal annoyances or glitches, and if you say glitches are why you hated Skyrim and loved the Morrowind and Oblivion... well, that's just pathetic.
I never once mentioned glitches.....
I'll leave this here as well:
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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"] Refute these then http://au.gamespot.com/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/user-reviews/799473/platform/pc/gamebreakerz__
1. Your opinion that the storyline is bad, but you didn't give any evidence on how it "ruined the lore" of Elder Scrolls.
You can't levitate, explain that? Because it would ruin dungeon design.
2. Have you played the other Elder Scrolls games? There are no puzzles in any of the dungeons, plus they are much shorter.
I've played them all, and yes there are some puzzles, specifically levitating ones in Morrowind. However I would prefer no puzzles over crappy tedious ones.
Those weren't puzzles, just levitate to the next part of the dungeon. You know the only reason they added levitation originally was because people would get stuck all the time? The only major puzzle I can think of was Puzzle Canal.
3. It's an RPG. Level scaling is a staple of the genre, and it's WORLDS above Morrowinds and Oblivions.
The level scaling was practically non existant in Morrowind, and worse in Oblivion yes.
I did f*ck up here. I was thinking about leveling in general, not enemy and eqipment leveling. Still, I welcome the addition so I don't kill everything after 4 hours of play
4. Mehrunes Razor, Mace of Molag Bal, Windshear, Blade of Woe, Savior's Hide, Nightingale Armor, Armor of the Old Gods, Linwe's Armor, Ebony Mail, Dragonbane, Keening, Valdr's Luck Dagger, Dawnbreaker, Spellbreaker, Ebony Blade, Ghostblade, Eduj, Okir, Volendrung, etc. Those are just the ones I can name off the top of my head.
I did the numbers a while ago, Morrowind has significantly more unique weapons and the point still stands they scale to the level you found them which is ridiculous.
Fewer doesn't mean Few in general. There are still many, many unique items.
5. An hour into Morrowind I had a Daedric Dai-katana I found in a mine. That's just me, but whatever. If you're one of those people that spams the crap out of the smithing system by making iron daggers for 10 straight hours and then complains how broken it is, then don't f*cking spend 10 straight hours smithing iron daggers to make amazing weapons and armor. It's a choice, not a necessity. I know people, most likely you, will say that's not a valid reason, but If I can avoid the temptation and not have a 100 Smithing skill until my character is at level 66, why the f*ck can't you?
I didn't do that, maybe it was before a patch or something but I got there with relative ease, especially if you just pick up all the junk in Dwemer ruins and smelt it.
I rarely used the smith. I would craft a new piece of armor if I needed it, or would temper my armor when I could, but I didn't make weapons and armor to level up. That's grinding, and that ruins the experience for me.
6. At level 66, I'm still getting killed by Draugr Death Overlords and Ancient Dragons. Don't give me the "it's too easy" excuse. My guy in Morrowind was killing Ash Vampires and Ascended Sleepers, as well as Dremora, by the time I was at level 20, and I still enjoyed the hell out of that game.
Well your character build must be crap then because I can kill anything with absolute ease. Those enimies were weak in Morrowind
My One-Handed, Light Armor, Destruction Magic, Restoration, and Smith are all at 100. A good shot from an Ebony Bow does more damage tha you'd think.
7. "Exploration", to me, involves going out into the wilderness and doing things on a whim, finding new ruins and caves to explore and pillage, not spending half an hour trying to find a single person standing around in the middle of a very small area because the compass hadn't been invented yet. It's annoying, not fun in any way. Do you know how long it took me to find the Mudcrab Merchant in Morrowind? 3 hours, and I did NOT have fun doing it.
Obviously your navigational abilities are garbage, but the worst part about Skyrim was that caves and settlements you had never found appeared on your minimap when you where within like 500 metres or something, so there was no stumbling across a secret cave or anything, you know where everything is.
I don't like being in an area and not being able to find something. Yes, finding a random crypt or cave in Morrowind was one of the best things about the game, but being sent to find someone standing in the middle of the damn Ashlands was one of the worst things about that game. It's not that I have bad navigational skills, it's that the world looks the same.
8. Then don't fast travel if you don't want to. Again, it's optional, no one is forcing you to do it. I don't do it. I prefer to explore the wilds of Skyrim before. I actually like having the Fast Travel system in place because I can't tell you how many times I've gotten stuck in some glitch and fast travel saved me from having to restart to a previous save. When that happened in Morrowind, I was limited to spending hours jumping around trying to find a way out or restarting, and this was before Autosave, so I'd lose many hours of gameplay if I had to resort to that.
Use the console if you have to get out of being stuck, if you're not playing on PC then I guess there's nothing more to say. I never said I don't want fast travel, just not insta travel to anywhere from anywhere.
Xbox. And like I said, it's optional.
9. I hated the guild quests in Morrowind. Sure, they were long, but if you did certain things, you couldn't join a certain group, or you screwed over your progress in another questline, plus there really wasn't that much of an incentive to becoming the leader of anything. There was few perks, few items, just the title.
Some, in fact most of the best items in the game came from guild quests so there was an incentive. And yes of course there are consequences of your actions, the theives guild and fighters guild in Morrowind were not friends, so it makes perfect sense you cannot be the master of both at the same time.
I still stand on my remarks.
10. Yeah, like I said above, Ancient Dragons. Even with the stormcall shout, they take a hell of a lot of abuse, and it takes a lot of patience and strategy to take them down.
Not in my experience.
Well, they do in mine.
11. It's an Elder Scrolls game. I've sunk over 1200 hours into Skyrim and I've done very little of what the game has to offer. I don't need expansions to have a lot of long hours of fun with Skyrim.
Not sure how you can put that much time in, the game is pretty bland.
Not fast traveling. Ever.
12. You hate the fact that the Skill Tree is limited, but you praise Morrowind's guild system for being limited? The Skill Tree is meant for Customization of Characters, not to let you become a God like you could in Morrowind and Oblivion. I just beat Morrowind a few days ago. My guy was at level 80 and I killed Dagoth Ur in 5 hits, plus don't get me started on Morrowind's weapon system.
Limiting skills makes no sense, why cannot somebody train to be a master of all skills? Limiting guilds makes sense because like I said above, the theives guild and Fighters guild would never, ever let you be master of both.
I've had arguments with people who think Skyrim's skills system is too broad, that a warrior should not be good with magic, and vice versa. I guess this one will be in the air for a while because everyone hates it for different reasons.
I'll give you this, Morrowind was a better game content-wise, but Skyrim took everything Morrowind and Oblivion did right and polished it down, and took everything they did wrong and fixed them, or just got rid of them. Sure, there's no class system anymore, but the Skill Tree allows for more in-depth customization, allowing for tweaks to certain stats to compliment your character, plus it's the first game where being a mage isn't a chore to become, it's smooth and rewarding. Morrowind had a TERRIBLE magic and weapons system, with a large percentage of failures early on, and when they became reliable, you were a god if you played right.
I can tell you're a guy who grinds his character, and in this game, they streamlined it instead of drawing it out, like the failure system of Morrowind. All of the reasons you are using to refute Skyrim's status as an amazing game are your own personal annoyances instead of legitimate, game-breaking reasons to hate Skyrim. You linked to a review YOU made that listed why Skyrim didn't cater to YOUR play style, and worst of all, they were all small annoyances that are all either optional, non-existant, or can be fixed by NOT GRINDING FOR HOURS.
I don't grind, you're taking that entirely from the smithing comment which is untrue. If you want to know what real grinding is then play something like WOW or Runescape. Skyrim didn't cater to the playstyle of it's fans, or at least the people who had been playing since before Oblivion.
It catered to mine, even more so than Morrowind did. I've been with the series since Daggerfall, and can still say Skyrim was one of the better games in the series.
Skyrim is an amazing game. It is much better than Oblivion with it's broken level scaling, bland dungeons, and repetitive quests. It has many features that are better than Morrowind, being the streamlined leveling and fixed weapons and magic system. It may just be that I play the game differently than you, that I don't grind or try to do things as fast as possible, but every reason I've ever heard to hate on Skyrim is one of 2 things: Personal annoyances or glitches, and if you say glitches are why you hated Skyrim and loved the Morrowind and Oblivion... well, that's just pathetic.
I never once mentioned glitches.....
I know, this particular part wasn't aimed at you, just other people who read this and use glitches as a reason to hate Skyrim.
I'll leave this here as well:
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