Will Sega ever return?

Who would like to see another console from Sega? Do you think they will ever return to the word of console production?

MasterSystem = Great

MegaDrive (Genesis) = Great

Saturn = Not as bad as people make out, but didn't stand a chance against the mass appeal of the PS1.

Dreamcast = Great but overlooked.

SEGA = Arcade gaming

Arcade gaming = long gone in mainstream popularity

I think Sega is on its way out of the gaming industry.Dr-Doctor

[QUOTE="Dr-Doctor"]I think Sega is on its way out of the gaming industry.Panzer_Zwei

Proof?

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Dr-Doctor"]I think Sega is on its way out of the gaming industry.ash10692

Proof?

[QUOTE="ash10692"]

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Dr-Doctor"]I think Sega is on its way out of the gaming industry.Panzer_Zwei

Proof?

Does that list include a console?

Sega has managed to screw up most of their franchises (Sonic, Shining Force to name a few) and pretty much every game they've released over the last 5 years.

The only exceptions to this are the games in which they are only the publisher, ie. the Total War games.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="ash10692"]

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Dr-Doctor"]I think Sega is on its way out of the gaming industry.ash10692

Proof?

Does that list include a console?

Does what you just said mean anything to do with them being on their way out?

[QUOTE="ash10692"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="ash10692"]

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Dr-Doctor"]I think Sega is on its way out of the gaming industry.noswear

Proof?

Does that list include a console?

Does what you just said mean anything to do with them being on their way out?

Well if they made a new console, it would be a step in the right direction.

Well if they made a new console, it would be a step in the right direction.

ash10692

Yeah, because their last one was so successful. :roll:

I think Sega needs to focus on making it so their games aren't a laughing stock anymore, and then actually learn how to market their way out of a paper bag. Then maybe they can think about introducing a new console into an already-saturated market.

[QUOTE="ash10692"]

Well if they made a new console, it would be a step in the right direction.

svetzenlether

Yeah, because their last one was so successful. :roll:

I think Sega needs to focus on making it so their games aren't a laughing stock anymore, and then actually learn how to market their way out of a paper bag. Then maybe they can think about introducing a new console into an already-saturated market.

Maybe you should actually try to know what games are they making, before ignorantly jumping to conslusions.

SEGA of Japan doesn't care about the hacks their overseas divisions came up with.

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"][QUOTE="ash10692"]

Well if they made a new console, it would be a step in the right direction.

Panzer_Zwei

Yeah, because their last one was so successful. :roll:

I think Sega needs to focus on making it so their games aren't a laughing stock anymore, and then actually learn how to market their way out of a paper bag. Then maybe they can think about introducing a new console into an already-saturated market.

Maybe you should actually try to know what games are they making, before ignorantly jumping to conslusions.

SEGA of Japan doesn't care about the hacks their overseas divisions came up with.

I don't think Sega, for me will ever be the same as playing on the Megadrive. That experience was fantastic. Their transition into 3d was not a smooth one.

Sega = funding MadWorld MadWorld = Win :)air_wolf_cubed

It's a terrible idea to hype Mad World simply because it has a cool art sty1e and is violent. SEGA has made a lot of things over the years that *looked cool* right up until you played it. Hell, Red Steel was looking pretty solid, it sounded on course, the demo footage was neat, then you held the Wiimote and tried it... oh... and I mean *oh* with a sad face, children crying, and women nashing their teeth. Even though that's not SEGA, I'm just saying, things can look good and still fail.

Mad World could wind up being the saddest song played on the ugliest guitar.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="svetzenlether"][QUOTE="ash10692"]

Well if they made a new console, it would be a step in the right direction.

ash10692

Yeah, because their last one was so successful. :roll:

I think Sega needs to focus on making it so their games aren't a laughing stock anymore, and then actually learn how to market their way out of a paper bag. Then maybe they can think about introducing a new console into an already-saturated market.

Maybe you should actually try to know what games are they making, before ignorantly jumping to conslusions.

SEGA of Japan doesn't care about the hacks their overseas divisions came up with.

I don't think Sega, for me will ever be the same as playing on the Megadrive. That experience was fantastic. Their transition into 3d was not a smooth one.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]Sega = funding MadWorld MadWorld = Win :)subrosian

It's a terrible idea to hype Mad World simply because it has a cool art sty1e and is violent. SEGA has made a lot of things over the years that *looked cool* right up until you played it. Hell, Red Steel was looking pretty solid, it sounded on course, the demo footage was neat, then you held the Wiimote and tried it... oh... and I mean *oh* with a sad face, children crying, and women nashing their teeth. Even though that's not SEGA, I'm just saying, things can look good and still fail.

Mad World could wind up being the saddest song played on the ugliest guitar.

But the topic Panzer was "will SEGA ever return?". The realistic answer is "No". Wouldn't even necessarily have to do with games - while SEGA was at their peak in terms of games (Mega Drive -> Saturn era) they were doing some incredibly stupid things as a business.

Even today, with Sega Sammy, we're stuck with a company (sammy) who is making products for a dying market, sega living and dying by the expensive arcade industry, and Sega of America... well you get the idea. They're not exactly what investors would call "the future of gaming"... so, it's extremely unlikely SEGA will ever be in the position they were in during the 16-bit era up through the Dreamcast pullout. They're not going to be that kind of player in the system war again.

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"][QUOTE="ash10692"]

Well if they made a new console, it would be a step in the right direction.

Panzer_Zwei

Yeah, because their last one was so successful. :roll:

I think Sega needs to focus on making it so their games aren't a laughing stock anymore, and then actually learn how to market their way out of a paper bag. Then maybe they can think about introducing a new console into an already-saturated market.

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Maybe you should actually try to know what games are they making, before ignorantly jumping to conslusions.

SEGA of Japan doesn't care about the hacks their overseas divisions came up with.

They should care, becuase it's destroying their reputation. Mind you, the Sega CD and 32X did a pretty good job of that anyway. Gotta love those Make My Video games.

And whose fault is it that I haven't heard about Yakuza 3 and Valkyria Chronicles? Like I said, Sega needs to learn how to market their way out of a paper bag. Shadow the Hedgehog and Shining Force Neo are not doing them any favours. And the Virtua Fighter games have always paled in comparison to Tekken anyway.

But the topic Panzer was "will SEGA ever return?". The realistic answer is "No". Wouldn't even necessarily have to do with games - while SEGA was at their peak in terms of games (Mega Drive -> Saturn era) they were doing some incredibly stupid things as a business.

Even today, with Sega Sammy, we're stuck with a company (sammy) who is making products for a dying market, sega living and dying by the expensive arcade industry, and Sega of America... well you get the idea. They're not exactly what investors would call "the future of gaming"... so, it's extremely unlikely SEGA will ever be in the position they were in during the 16-bit era up through the Dreamcast pullout. They're not going to be that kind of player in the system war again.

subrosian

Many people rave on about how Godly they were before and whatever. Yet the general consensus is that all of the Saturn period was like the dark ages, then they suddenly became amazing again with the Dreamcast. Which is just plain ridiculous.

And I've already mentioned why they aren't coming back. SEGA's backbone is Arcade gaming. Always was, always will. All of their consoles since the Mega Drive had an Arcade board, counterpart. And Arcade gaming has been long gone in the mainstream appeal.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

But the topic Panzer was "will SEGA ever return?". The realistic answer is "No". Wouldn't even necessarily have to do with games - while SEGA was at their peak in terms of games (Mega Drive -> Saturn era) they were doing some incredibly stupid things as a business.

Even today, with Sega Sammy, we're stuck with a company (sammy) who is making products for a dying market, sega living and dying by the expensive arcade industry, and Sega of America... well you get the idea. They're not exactly what investors would call "the future of gaming"... so, it's extremely unlikely SEGA will ever be in the position they were in during the 16-bit era up through the Dreamcast pullout. They're not going to be that kind of player in the system war again.

Panzer_Zwei

Many people rave on about how Godly they were before and whatever. Yet the general consensus is that all of the Saturn period was like the dark ages, then they suddenly became amazing again with the Dreamcast. Which is just plain ridiculous.

And I've already mentioned why they aren't coming back. SEGA's backbone is Arcade gaming. Always was, always will. All of their consoles since the Mega Drive had an Arcade board, counterpart. And Arcade gaming has been long gone in the mainstream appeal.

And their forays into current gaming have been less than fantastic. Well the games in the mainstream anyway.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

But the topic Panzer was "will SEGA ever return?". The realistic answer is "No". Wouldn't even necessarily have to do with games - while SEGA was at their peak in terms of games (Mega Drive -> Saturn era) they were doing some incredibly stupid things as a business.

Even today, with Sega Sammy, we're stuck with a company (sammy) who is making products for a dying market, sega living and dying by the expensive arcade industry, and Sega of America... well you get the idea. They're not exactly what investors would call "the future of gaming"... so, it's extremely unlikely SEGA will ever be in the position they were in during the 16-bit era up through the Dreamcast pullout. They're not going to be that kind of player in the system war again.

Panzer_Zwei

Many people rave on about how Godly they were before and whatever. Yet the general consensus is that all of the Saturn period was like the dark ages, then they suddenly became amazing again with the Dreamcast. Which is just plain ridiculous.

And I've already mentioned why they aren't coming back. SEGA's backbone is Arcade gaming. Always was, always will. All of their consoles since the Mega Drive had an Arcade board, counterpart. And Arcade gaming has been long gone in the mainstream appeal.

Did you ever read my post?

Did I once claim any of the things you said in that post?

No.

Thanks for the vast generalizations about me AND for proving my point. SEGA will never return because they have made terrible business decisions repeatedly even in their golden era (Mega Drive -> Saturn NOTICE I SAID SATURN NOT DREAMCAST)

Sticking in the ever-shrinking arcade market was a PISS POOR IDEA. They don't get to be idolized for that you. You don't get to take cheap shots at people who *rightly* critize SEGA. It's Sega's own damn fault they're in the mess they're in - and you can't point at the few good games they make and say "lolz I don't care about Sega of America". They should - because that's *their brand name* getting trashed by absolute junk like Sonic the Hedgehog (2006), Phantasy Star Universe, etc...

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"Always will be" is a pretty damn huge assumption too - I wouldn't count on it. I wouldn't count on SEGA being around a decade from now unless they get their act together. As far as I'm concerned, the SEGA I knew as a child died a long time ago.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

But the topic Panzer was "will SEGA ever return?". The realistic answer is "No". Wouldn't even necessarily have to do with games - while SEGA was at their peak in terms of games (Mega Drive -> Saturn era) they were doing some incredibly stupid things as a business.

Even today, with Sega Sammy, we're stuck with a company (sammy) who is making products for a dying market, sega living and dying by the expensive arcade industry, and Sega of America... well you get the idea. They're not exactly what investors would call "the future of gaming"... so, it's extremely unlikely SEGA will ever be in the position they were in during the 16-bit era up through the Dreamcast pullout. They're not going to be that kind of player in the system war again.

subrosian

Many people rave on about how Godly they were before and whatever. Yet the general consensus is that all of the Saturn period was like the dark ages, then they suddenly became amazing again with the Dreamcast. Which is just plain ridiculous.

And I've already mentioned why they aren't coming back. SEGA's backbone is Arcade gaming. Always was, always will. All of their consoles since the Mega Drive had an Arcade board, counterpart. And Arcade gaming has been long gone in the mainstream appeal.

Did you ever read my post?

Did I once claim any of the things you said in that post?

No.

Thanks for the vast generalizations about me AND for proving my point. SEGA will never return because they have made terrible business decisions repeatedly even in their golden era (Mega Drive -> Saturn NOTICE I SAID SATURN NOT DREAMCAST)

Sticking in the ever-shrinking arcade market was a PISS POOR IDEA. They don't get to be idolized for that you. You don't get to take cheap shots at people who *rightly* critize SEGA. It's Sega's own damn fault they're in the mess they're in - and you can't point at the few good games they make and say "lolz I don't care about Sega of America". They should - because that's *their brand name* getting trashed by absolute junk like Sonic the Hedgehog (2006), Phantasy Star Universe, etc...

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"Always will be" is a pretty damn huge assumption too - I wouldn't count on it. I wouldn't count on SEGA being around a decade from now unless they get their act together. As far as I'm concerned, the SEGA I knew as a child died a long time ago.

And it's pretty obvious they're still making those terrible decisions that started back with the Sega CD. Arcades are BEYOND irrelevant at this point!

And to comment on one thing Subrosian typed at the beginning of the quoted post: Genesis -> Saturn, yeah, AND Genesis -> Dreamcast, the DC being arguably the most overpraised piece of electronic equipment since the first iMac

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

But the topic Panzer was "will SEGA ever return?". The realistic answer is "No". Wouldn't even necessarily have to do with games - while SEGA was at their peak in terms of games (Mega Drive -> Saturn era) they were doing some incredibly stupid things as a business.

Even today, with Sega Sammy, we're stuck with a company (sammy) who is making products for a dying market, sega living and dying by the expensive arcade industry, and Sega of America... well you get the idea. They're not exactly what investors would call "the future of gaming"... so, it's extremely unlikely SEGA will ever be in the position they were in during the 16-bit era up through the Dreamcast pullout. They're not going to be that kind of player in the system war again.

subrosian

Many people rave on about how Godly they were before and whatever. Yet the general consensus is that all of the Saturn period was like the dark ages, then they suddenly became amazing again with the Dreamcast. Which is just plain ridiculous.

And I've already mentioned why they aren't coming back. SEGA's backbone is Arcade gaming. Always was, always will. All of their consoles since the Mega Drive had an Arcade board, counterpart. And Arcade gaming has been long gone in the mainstream appeal.

Did you ever read my post?

Did I once claim any of the things you said in that post?

No.

Thanks for the vast generalizations about me AND for proving my point. SEGA will never return because they have made terrible business decisions repeatedly even in their golden era (Mega Drive -> Saturn NOTICE I SAID SATURN NOT DREAMCAST)

Sticking in the ever-shrinking arcade market was a PISS POOR IDEA. They don't get to be idolized for that you. You don't get to take cheap shots at people who *rightly* critize SEGA. It's Sega's own damn fault they're in the mess they're in - and you can't point at the few good games they make and say "lolz I don't care about Sega of America". They should - because that's *their brand name* getting trashed by absolute junk like Sonic the Hedgehog (2006), Phantasy Star Universe, etc...

-

"Always will be" is a pretty damn huge assumption too - I wouldn't count on it. I wouldn't count on SEGA being around a decade from now unless they get their act together. As far as I'm concerned, the SEGA I knew as a child died a long time ago.

SEGA as we used to know them has been dead for a loooong time.subrosian

So what SEGA you know exactly? You know what their old guard programmers are up to? Do you even know their old guard programmers and studios to begin with? Have you even played one of the games I've mentioned.I mean, really since you seem to know them oh so well.

And I don't give a damn if they're games are popular or not. I wouldn't care if they produce a mega hit if it's the kind of game that I don't like. I like SEGA because they make the kind of games I like. So I'm glad they stayed and continue to stay in the Arcade maket.

So what SEGA you know exactly? You know what their old guard programmers are up to? Do you even know their old guard programmers and studios to begin with? Have you even played one of the games I've mentioned.I mean, really since you seem to know them so well.

And I don't give a damn if they're games are popular or not. I wouldn't care if they produce a mega hit if it's the kind of game that I don't care about. I like SEGA because they make the kind of games I like. So I'm glad they stayed and continue to stay in the Arcade maket.

Panzer_Zwei

Have fun trying to find an arcade to actually play those games in.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

So what SEGA you know exactly? You know what their old guard programmers are up to? Do you even know their old guard programmers and studios to begin with? Have you even played one of the games I've mentioned.I mean, really since you seem to know them so well.

And I don't give a damn if they're games are popular or not. I wouldn't care if they produce a mega hit if it's the kind of game that I don't care about. I like SEGA because they make the kind of games I like. So I'm glad they stayed and continue to stay in the Arcade maket.

svetzenlether

Have fun trying to find an arcade to actually play those games in.

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

So what SEGA you know exactly? You know what their old guard programmers are up to? Do you even know their old guard programmers and studios to begin with? Have you even played one of the games I've mentioned.I mean, really since you seem to know them so well.

And I don't give a damn if they're games are popular or not. I wouldn't care if they produce a mega hit if it's the kind of game that I don't care about. I like SEGA because they make the kind of games I like. So I'm glad they stayed and continue to stay in the Arcade maket.

Panzer_Zwei

Have fun trying to find an arcade to actually play those games in.

Don't worry, they'll find some way to screw them up.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

So what SEGA you know exactly? You know what their old guard programmers are up to? Do you even know their old guard programmers and studios to begin with? Have you even played one of the games I've mentioned.I mean, really since you seem to know them so well.

And I don't give a damn if they're games are popular or not. I wouldn't care if they produce a mega hit if it's the kind of game that I don't care about. I like SEGA because they make the kind of games I like. So I'm glad they stayed and continue to stay in the Arcade maket.

svetzenlether

Have fun trying to find an arcade to actually play those games in.

Yeah, I mean it's not like they would do such a foolish thing as port them to consoles. That's just unheard of... :|Panzer_Zwei

... you can lecture everyone by pretending you know something we don't, or that we've missed some "big secret" when SEGA stops losing marketshare and pissing money. I mean really, please, quote some japan-only sequel SEGA failed to advertise that put them another few million in the red. :|

You might love the arcade, but SEGA as a business entity is essentially suicidal.

No chance, as much as i loved sega, no way will they return in terms of consoles.

Game wise, they will make quite a statement because their studio (Platinum Studios) consists of everyone from Clover studios(Capcom), which consisted to Hideki Kamiya (DMC/RE series) and Shinji Mikami (RE/Viewtiful/Killer 7) and others.I think Sega will soon shine once games like Bayonneta, that Wii game(the guy with the chain saw), come out.

As has already been mentioned, it doesn't appear that Sega will ever enter the hardware side of things again.

Their bread and butter is the arcade, which is still doing decently in Japan, but is tumbleweed country over here in America.

They can still create quality games, Valkryie of the Battlefield says hello, but their brand management is terrible.

They need to be taking notes from Nintendo or Sony on business, and get all their branches on the same page before they can even think about entering the hardware arena.

Their best selling game ever has Mario as the headliner.

At this point, i'd rather Microsoft, or Nintendo buy them from Sammy, and then i'd see Shining Force alongside his big brother Fire Emblem, and Phantasy Star alongside Mother.

Sega has a buttload of properties that could be big sellers, they just are terrible at doing anything with them.

The SEGA we saw in the 90s, you mean? No, that SEGA is never coming back. They might just end up like Hudson and become truly irrelevant.

And Madworld might be funded by SEGA, but it's not a true SEGA game.

SEGA = Arcade gaming

Arcade gaming = long gone in mainstream popularity

Panzer_Zwei

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Yeah, I mean it's not like they would do such a foolish thing as port them to consoles. That's just unheard of... :|subrosian

... you can lecture everyone by pretending you know something we don't, or that we've missed some "big secret" when SEGA stops losing marketshare and pissing money. I mean really, please, quote some japan-only sequel SEGA failed to advertise that put them another few million in the red. :|

You might love the arcade, but SEGA as a business entity is essentially suicidal.

Plus, those arcade games Sega makes that are so great with the sit-down cockpits and the wheels and shifters? Those things are completely gone when a game like Sega Rally comes to a home system, and what may have counted for depth in the arcades now has to stand up against games like GT5, Forza, Grid, etc.

The SEGA we saw in the 90s, you mean? No, that SEGA is never coming back. They might just end up like Hudson and become truly irrelevant.

And Madworld might be funded by SEGA, but it's not a true SEGA game.

TDLlama

And it seems the only good games coming out under the Sega name are the ones it only publishes and doesn't develop. Again, the Total War series comes to mind.