Wii-U won't fail longterm for one very simple reason.

They have the best exclusives period, 1st party > 3rd party.

Zelda

mario

ssb

kirby

metrod

yoshi

pokemon

donkey kong

starfox

How can you honestly compete with that? sorry but nintendo has been around for decades BECAUSE of the 1st party, they don't need 3rd party games.

Everybody I know, including myself bought the wii-U for one reason, and one reason only. 1st party games.

give me zelda mario and SSB, and that's all I need forever.

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Gamecube was considered a failure by many- I wouldn't exactly call it a success, myself. Apparently 1st party didn't save it :o

I've noticed that aside from the Wii's early fad, Nintendo seems to do poorly in consoles but really well in handheld. 

Too many gamers who know nothing about the pre-Xbox or pre-Playstation era commenting in this thread.

Nintendo first party "core" titles are always quality, and the some of the highest (if not highest) -game of the year - titles.  Seems people forget that.

didn't stop the n64 and gamecube from flopping

Gamecube was considered a failure by many- I wouldn't exactly call it a success, myself. Apparently 1st party didn't save it :o

I've noticed that aside from the Wii's early fad, Nintendo seems to do poorly in consoles but really well in handheld. 

simomate

It actually did, Nintendo's game division made more money than Sony and MS.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Sweenix"]

didn't stop the n64 and gamecube from flopping

jhcho2

"Flop" is in the eyes of the beholder.

While I would agree that the above mentioned systems missed on quite some relevant 3rd party games of their respective eras, they still provided a strong 1st party and exclusive 3rd party line-up, impressive visuals for the time and control innovations.

So appart from their decent-to-mediocre sales performance and decent-to-mediocre 3rd party support, they were not "flops".

"Flop" is not in the eyes of the beholder. Flop implies commercial failure. So it's not something that boils down to individual perception. Commercial success and failure can be quantified and measured.

Well, from that perspective, the true flop was the first Xbox because it wasn't a profittable system for MS.

GC was still profittable, despite it's relatively low sales.

N64 was also nowhere near the Sega Saturn, which really did turn just a miserable 2 million units in the US market in it's whole existence. (ironically Sega still supported it for four years while dropping the much better selling Dreamcast after less than two years)

Also, keep in mind that the sales of the PS1 and PS2 were extraordinary at the time so naturally everything else seemed like a "flop" compared to their sales and support.

didn't stop the n64 and gamecube from flopping

Sweenix

"Flop" is in the eyes of the beholder.

While I would agree that the above mentioned systems missed on quite some relevant 3rd party games of their respective eras, they still provided a strong 1st party and exclusive 3rd party line-up, impressive visuals for the time and control innovations.

So appart from their decent-to-mediocre sales performance and decent-to-mediocre 3rd party support, they were not "flops".

I know people like those series but I've moved on and so have a lot of other people. I only ever buy one console per generation and I'm going to go with a console that is a little more mature in the software department. I feel a lot of people are thinking the same.

Wii U will be fortunate to reach Gamecube sales...

They have the best exclusives period, 1st party > 3rd party.

Zelda

mario

ssb

kirby

metrod

yoshi

pokemon

donkey kong

starfox

How can you honestly compete with that? sorry but nintendo has been around for decades BECAUSE of the 1st party, they don't need 3rd party games.

Everybody I know, including myself bought the wii-U for one reason, and one reason only. 1st party games.

 

give me zelda mario and SSB, and that's all I need forever.

vanadiel242424

[QUOTE="vanadiel242424"]

They have the best exclusives period, 1st party > 3rd party.

Zelda

mario

ssb

kirby

metrod

yoshi

pokemon

donkey kong

starfox

How can you honestly compete with that? sorry but nintendo has been around for decades BECAUSE of the 1st party, they don't need 3rd party games.

Everybody I know, including myself bought the wii-U for one reason, and one reason only. 1st party games.

give me zelda mario and SSB, and that's all I need forever.

Rattlesnake_8

That is why the Wii U will be a flop...non-gamers won't be sucked in this time.

So thats why every console war EVER in the history of console wars has been won due to superior THIRD party support, and not FIRST party.  :roll:

First party has NEVER won a console war.  EVER.  And it never will.  

/thread.

[QUOTE="Sweenix"]

didn't stop the n64 and gamecube from flopping

nameless12345

"Flop" is in the eyes of the beholder.

While I would agree that the above mentioned systems missed on quite some relevant 3rd party games of their respective eras, they still provided a strong 1st party and exclusive 3rd party line-up, impressive visuals for the time and control innovations.

So appart from their decent-to-mediocre sales performance and decent-to-mediocre 3rd party support, they were not "flops".

"Flop" is not in the eyes of the beholder. Flop implies commercial failure. So it's not something that boils down to individual perception. Commercial success and failure can be quantified and measured.

And yet N64, Gamecube, Wii all failed long term and became barren wastelands for GAMES

Thank you for destroying your own point.

And yet N64, Gamecube, Wii all failed long term and became barren wastelands for GAMES

Thank you for destroying your own point.

Blackbond

A wasteland for those unwilling to dig for hidden gems, sure.

Gamecube had all those franchises, AND was actually a really great piece of hardware, yet it still was pretty much a failure (I love my Gamecube, but it was last place system that was clearly a failure).

Unlike the Gamecube the Wii-U is a gimmicky joke system that DOESN"T have great hardware. Wii-U will be lucky to even reach Gamecube levels of failure.

Zelda- no

mario- Tired of it.

ssb- It is OK

kirby- Hell no.

metrod- It is OK

yoshi- No

pokemon- The console games have all been shit

donkey kong- OK

starfox- OK

None of these games are enough to get the Wii U off the shelf. With new systems coming, the Wii U is already one foot in the grave.

I only care for Zelda and i did not like TP or SS much, so they have pretty much nothing left for me

Right now 150$ is the absolute maximum i would pay for a WiiU and that ONLY if it gets a good Zelda

They have the best exclusives period, 1st party > 3rd party.

Zelda

mario

ssb

kirby

metrod

yoshi

pokemon

donkey kong

starfox

How can you honestly compete with that? sorry but nintendo has been around for decades BECAUSE of the 1st party, they don't need 3rd party games.

Everybody I know, including myself bought the wii-U for one reason, and one reason only. 1st party games.

 

give me zelda mario and SSB, and that's all I need forever.

vanadiel242424

So thats why every console war EVER in the history of console wars has been won due to superior THIRD party support, and not FIRST party.  :roll:

First party has NEVER won a console war.  EVER.  And it never will.  

/thread.

StrongDeadlift

NO!

[QUOTE="simomate"]

Gamecube was considered a failure by many- I wouldn't exactly call it a success, myself. Apparently 1st party didn't save it :o

I've noticed that aside from the Wii's early fad, Nintendo seems to do poorly in consoles but really well in handheld. 

p3anut

It actually did, Nintendo's game division made more money than Sony and MS.

People seem to forget that while the Wii was a market sucess it was a huge dissapointment to most consumers. So respecfully it was a huge failure because people like myself that had hope on the nintendo home console have now lost it completelly. The gamecube was awesome! this..... this thing.. isn't.

Too many gamers who know nothing about the pre-Xbox or pre-Playstation era commenting in this thread.

Nintendo first party "core" titles are always quality, and the some of the highest (if not highest) -game of the year - titles.  Seems people forget that.

sonic_spark

Speaking as someone who has been gaming since the SNES Gen; Gamecube sold for crap and had all those titles on it. Not that I think the Wii-U will sell as low, but you're kidding yourself if you think Nintendo only needs their first party to sell well.

third party will flock back soon has they see enough consoles sold and nintendo is driving the wii u marketingk2theswiss

Won't happen. Only fools expect Wii U to be relevant.

Nintendo's first party games suck. Unless you are new to gaming, I don't see how you couldn't be way beyond tired and bored with Nintendo first party games unless you just have very low standards. To each their own I guess.AmazonTreeBoa

You are a smart guy.

Gamecube was considered a failure by many- I wouldn't exactly call it a success, myself. Apparently 1st party didn't save it :o

I've noticed that aside from the Wii's early fad, Nintendo seems to do poorly in consoles but really well in handheld. 

simomate

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]third party will flock back soon has they see enough consoles sold and nintendo is driving the wii u marketingStrongBlackVine

Won't happen. Only fools expect Wii U to be relevant.

They have the best exclusives period, 1st party > 3rd party.

Zelda

mario

ssb

kirby

metrod

yoshi

pokemon

donkey kong

starfox

How can you honestly compete with that? sorry but nintendo has been around for decades BECAUSE of the 1st party, they don't need 3rd party games.

Everybody I know, including myself bought the wii-U for one reason, and one reason only. 1st party games.

 

give me zelda mario and SSB, and that's all I need forever.

vanadiel242424

SHEEP+NINTENDO=OWNED

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]third party will flock back soon has they see enough consoles sold and nintendo is driving the wii u marketingMonsieurX

Won't happen. Only fools expect Wii U to be relevant.

I don't like Xbox, but I expect it to compete hard with PS4. Wii U is just not on the same level.

When Ninty show Mario 64 2 at E3 everyone's body will be ready to board the Wii U hype train.

[QUOTE="simomate"]

Gamecube was considered a failure by many- I wouldn't exactly call it a success, myself. Apparently 1st party didn't save it :o

I've noticed that aside from the Wii's early fad, Nintendo seems to do poorly in consoles but really well in handheld. 

Drasonak

third party will flock back soon has they see enough consoles sold and nintendo is driving the wii u marketingk2theswiss

The problem with this theory is development time. A game can take anywhere from 12 to 36+ months to make.  So a developer would already have to have plans, and started putting the wheels in motion in to bring a Wii-U game out in 2014 or 2015. It seems 3rd party are already running for the exits, rather than making that committment to the Wii-U. If somewhere in the next 6-12 months the Wii-U fortunes change on the hardware sales front, then there would STILL be a long delay before any tangible results (games) came out - and even then, 3rd parties would likely be hesitant to "flock back" given how poorly 3rd party games have sold on Nintendo platforms for 3 straight gens now. 

Can it get some quick and dirty ports? Probably. But nobody cares about getting a few half-baked ports that only come out months after the original releases. 

[QUOTE="p3anut"]

[QUOTE="simomate"]

Gamecube was considered a failure by many- I wouldn't exactly call it a success, myself. Apparently 1st party didn't save it :o

I've noticed that aside from the Wii's early fad, Nintendo seems to do poorly in consoles but really well in handheld. 

judaspete

It actually did, Nintendo's game division made more money than Sony and MS.