Wii/PS3/Kinect homebrewer rumor: Durango CPU clocked at 1.6ghz.

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#1 Posted by Blazerdt47 (5671 posts) -

Let the X720 speculation begin!:P

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Wii/PS3/Kinect homebrewer rumor: Durango CPU clocked at 1.6ghz.

In reference to a question Marcan got on the Wii U's CPU clock at 1.25ghz...

Originally Posted by:

Marcan:If you want more evidence that MHz isn't everything, a little birdie points out that Durango (Xbox 720) is specc'ed to have a 1.6GHz CPU.

Food for thought. (And don't bother asking me who that little birdie is.)

Marcan is one of the key members of failoverflow and a lead hacker in the Wii/Wii U scene. He apparently has some sources in the know, aside from confirming the exact specs of the Wii U himself through hacking means.

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#2 Posted by Animal-Mother (27350 posts) -

lol, isn't that what the Wii-U is clocked at?

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#3 Posted by yellonet (7768 posts) -

The clock frequency of a cpu tells you nearly nothing about its performance.
Compare a 3 GHz Pentium 4 with a 3 GHz Core i7 and you'll see.

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#4 Posted by GD1551 (9645 posts) -

The issue was never clock speed, he himself said it was only a little better than a 360 processor.. that's the issue here. This is for the Wii U peeps that come in here trying to gloat.

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#5 Posted by yellonet (7768 posts) -

The issue was never clock speed, he himself said it was only a little better than a 360 processor.. that's the issue here. This is for the Wii U peeps that come in here trying to gloat.

GD1551

If true, that would be nice, then the console itself could be smaller and less prone to faults as consoles should be.
More importantly, game developers could concentrate more on creating good gaming experiences that fit console gaming instead of trying to push the graphics more and more. Graphics development really belong on PC anyway.

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#6 Posted by way2funny (4570 posts) -

Not only does clock speed not matter, the gpu is way more important to the power of the console than the cpu.

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#7 Posted by Vari3ty (11111 posts) -

So some hacker who says he has "sources" is now what gaming journalism is basing articles off of? Jesus. I'm not even going to bother with this one.

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#8 Posted by adamosmaki (10557 posts) -

Not only does clock speed not matter, the gpu is way more important to the power of the console than the cpu.

way2funny
well thats partly true. Indeed other thinks such as the micro architecture the cpu is based on and IPC count are more important but clock speed still does matter Imagine an i5 at 1,4ghz . It wont be faster than a phenom II at 3,6ghz. Sure it has vastly better IPC but the speed difference is just to big Now i would say if that was a more decent 2,5 ghz then yes it wont matter but at 1,6ghz damn that is a good amount of performance lost
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#9 Posted by Gue1 (12171 posts) -

The clock frequency of a cpu tells you nearly nothing about its performance.
Compare a 3 GHz Pentium 4 with a 3 GHz Core i7 and you'll see.

yellonet

but the Wii U CPU is just an overclocked Wii Broadway CPU with 2 tacked on cores (for a total of 3)... They both share the same archaic architecture, that's why the Wii's homebrew works on the Wii U.

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#10 Posted by Plagueless (2569 posts) -
If the rumors about 2 different models of the next xbox are true then this could be true but still not matter in the slightest. A 1.6 GHz Cpu could run Arcade games and stream movies no problem, as the rumored low-end model has been said to do.
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#11 Posted by Master_ShakeXXX (13361 posts) -

eek.

Sony, you're our last hope for a true next gen console. God speed...

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#12 Posted by way2funny (4570 posts) -

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

Not only does clock speed not matter, the gpu is way more important to the power of the console than the cpu.

adamosmaki

well thats partly true. Indeed other thinks such as the micro architecture the cpu is based on and IPC count are more important but clock speed still does matter Imagine an i5 at 1,4ghz . It wont be faster than a phenom II at 3,6ghz. Sure it has vastly better IPC but the speed difference is just to big Now i would say if that was a more decent 2,5 ghz then yes it wont matter but at 1,6ghz damn that is a good amount of performance lost

When I say clock speed doesnt matter, I meant if you just tell me the clock speed that tells me nothing. And people shouldn't be caught up with it until they see real world results or benchmarks. And like I said the cpu is the least of worries, the gpu is way more important in that equation

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#13 Posted by adamosmaki (10557 posts) -

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="way2funny"]

Not only does clock speed not matter, the gpu is way more important to the power of the console than the cpu.

way2funny

well thats partly true. Indeed other thinks such as the micro architecture the cpu is based on and IPC count are more important but clock speed still does matter Imagine an i5 at 1,4ghz . It wont be faster than a phenom II at 3,6ghz. Sure it has vastly better IPC but the speed difference is just to big Now i would say if that was a more decent 2,5 ghz then yes it wont matter but at 1,6ghz damn that is a good amount of performance lost

When I say clock speed doesnt matter, I meant if you just tell me the clock speed that tells me nothing. And people shouldn't be caught up with it until they see real world results or benchmarks. And like I said the cpu is the least of worries, the gpu is way more important in that equation

well yeah i agree with you speed alone tells nothing. In fact i will not be surprised if wiiU cpu is actually faster than 360/ps3 because despite having a much higher speed by now they are 7-8 year old cpus and a cpu even at 1,4ghz with much better micro architecture its not gonna be surprising if its faster Also while gpu is more important having a decent cpu would really help in open world games and big multiplayer maps ( 64 players and more ) so it will still be disappointing if the cpu turns out really low performance
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#14 Posted by Blazerdt47 (5671 posts) -
If the rumors about 2 different models of the next xbox are true then this could be true but still not matter in the slightest. A 1.6 GHz Cpu could run Arcade games and stream movies no problem, as the rumored low-end model has been said to do.Plagueless
I don't think Microsoft would go as far as having two different models of hardware specs.
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#15 Posted by MaskedPlayer (892 posts) -
[QUOTE="Plagueless"]If the rumors about 2 different models of the next xbox are true then this could be true but still not matter in the slightest. A 1.6 GHz Cpu could run Arcade games and stream movies no problem, as the rumored low-end model has been said to do.Blazerdt47
I don't think Microsoft would go as far as having two different models of hardware specs.

That rumour is terrible.Microsoft will loose so many customers. Parents will buy their children the cheaper version!When the kids will find out they cant play COD and HALO well...seeing how spoilt kids are these I wouldnt want to be in the parents shoes.
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#16 Posted by CwlHeddwyn (5314 posts) -

Not only does clock speed not matter, the gpu is way more important to the power of the console than the cpu.

way2funny
Clock speed does not matter? Amusing coming from a guy who has OC'd his i7 CPU all the way upto 4.6ghz. Clock speed clearly does matter but it's not the only thing to consider when looking at power. The reality is the lower your clock speed the more you are going to look at architectural improvements to beat a faster CPU.
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#17 Posted by BPoole96 (22817 posts) -

Sounds like the clock speed of a tablet controller

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#18 Posted by loosingENDS (11793 posts) -

So, a little birdy is now a trusty source that should be taken seriously ?

If the little bird said xbox 720 is running through the power of melted flower petals alone, would that also be considered a 100% confirmed xbox 720 spec ?

LOL LOL, i have a great time in these forums, all that sillyness

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#19 Posted by MaskedPlayer (892 posts) -

So, a little birdy is now a trusty source that should be taken seriously ?

If the little bird said xbox 720 is running through the power of melted flower petals alone, would that also be considered a 100% confirmed xbox 720 spec ?

LOL LOL, i have a great time in these forums, all that sillyness

loosingENDS
Why you so jelly?
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#20 Posted by PAL360 (28732 posts) -

We will see more credible (final?) specs in about a month!

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-features/67555-xbox-world-leaks-next-gen-720-details

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#21 Posted by adamosmaki (10557 posts) -

So, a little birdy is now a trusty source that should be taken seriously ?

If the little bird said xbox 720 is running through the power of melted flower petals alone, would that also be considered a 100% confirmed xbox 720 spec ?

LOL LOL, i have a great time in these forums, all that sillyness

loosingENDS
yeah on contrary with you that somehow believe 720 will have a $500 gtx680. Thats totally plausible and not sillyness ( let the 2000 posts Loosey madness begin )
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#22 Posted by BlbecekBobecek (2925 posts) -

[QUOTE="yellonet"]

The clock frequency of a cpu tells you nearly nothing about its performance.
Compare a 3 GHz Pentium 4 with a 3 GHz Core i7 and you'll see.

Gue1

but the Wii U CPU is just an overclocked Wii Broadway CPU with 2 tacked on cores (for a total of 3)... They both share the same archaic architecture, that's why the Wii's homebrew works on the Wii U.

Source?

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#23 Posted by quickposter (1724 posts) -

I don't know why people don't just accept it. They are getting their hopes up too high here. People will buy the consoles no matter how powerful they are anyway so what is the point in a significant leap when the install base will not justify the costs. Even twice the amount of dev costs would kill a company developing for the next Xbox exclusively. Fact.

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#24 Posted by MaskedPlayer (892 posts) -
[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

So, a little birdy is now a trusty source that should be taken seriously ?

If the little bird said xbox 720 is running through the power of melted flower petals alone, would that also be considered a 100% confirmed xbox 720 spec ?

LOL LOL, i have a great time in these forums, all that sillyness

adamosmaki
yeah on contrary with you that somehow believe 720 will have a $500 gtx680. Thats totally plausible and not sillyness ( let the 2000 posts Loosey madness begin )

a 680 would make the console to expensive unless microsoft make everything else crap.
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#25 Posted by adamosmaki (10557 posts) -

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

So, a little birdy is now a trusty source that should be taken seriously ?

If the little bird said xbox 720 is running through the power of melted flower petals alone, would that also be considered a 100% confirmed xbox 720 spec ?

LOL LOL, i have a great time in these forums, all that sillyness

MaskedPlayer

yeah on contrary with you that somehow believe 720 will have a $500 gtx680. Thats totally plausible and not sillyness ( let the 2000 posts Loosey madness begin )

a 680 would make the console to expensive unless microsoft make everything else crap.

Loosey seems to believe that. Also cost aside you have to consider this is a 200W gpu it needs a dual slot fan to keep it cool and its quite long but MS can apparently make magic and will fit it on a box as big as a 360 according to Loosey.

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#26 Posted by quickposter (1724 posts) -

Loosey seems to believe that. Also cost aside you have to consider this is a 250W gpu it needs a dual slot fan to keep it cool and its quite long but MS can apparently make magic and will fit it on a box as big as a 360 according to Loosey. adamosmaki

He isn't being realistic. You also need to bear in mind that Microsoft will include Kinect which can also be expensive depending on what they improve. He will only come around and say "who cares about power" when he is proven wrong anyway. I bet 99% of this forum are only pretending to care power matters. Main stream consumers don't believe that and the market for power lovers is factually lower then the market for an affordable, less powerful system.

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#27 Posted by Giancar (19155 posts) -
I bet 99% of this forum are only pretending to care power matters.quickposter
Power matters to a certain degree, 90% of this forum didn't care for the Wii for that reason. It traduced in no multiplats at all.
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#28 Posted by MaskedPlayer (892 posts) -

[QUOTE="MaskedPlayer"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] yeah on contrary with you that somehow believe 720 will have a $500 gtx680. Thats totally plausible and not sillyness ( let the 2000 posts Loosey madness begin )adamosmaki

a 680 would make the console to expensive unless microsoft make everything else crap.

Loosey seems to believe that. Also cost aside you have to consider this is a 200W gpu it needs a dual slot fan to keep it cool and its quite long but MS can apparently make magic and will fit it on a box as big as a 360 according to Loosey.

Ohhhh I thought you were serious.
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#29 Posted by clyde46 (49048 posts) -

[QUOTE="MaskedPlayer"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] yeah on contrary with you that somehow believe 720 will have a $500 gtx680. Thats totally plausible and not sillyness ( let the 2000 posts Loosey madness begin )adamosmaki

a 680 would make the console to expensive unless microsoft make everything else crap.

Loosey seems to believe that. Also cost aside you have to consider this is a 200W gpu it needs a dual slot fan to keep it cool and its quite long but MS can apparently make magic and will fit it on a box as big as a 360 according to Loosey.

He cant see anything in those rose tinted Microsoft issue spectacles.
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#30 Posted by clyde46 (49048 posts) -

Not only does clock speed not matter, the gpu is way more important to the power of the console than the cpu.

way2funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygBP7MtT3Ac

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#31 Posted by adamosmaki (10557 posts) -
[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]

[QUOTE="MaskedPlayer"] a 680 would make the console to expensive unless microsoft make everything else crap.MaskedPlayer

Loosey seems to believe that. Also cost aside you have to consider this is a 200W gpu it needs a dual slot fan to keep it cool and its quite long but MS can apparently make magic and will fit it on a box as big as a 360 according to Loosey.

Ohhhh I thought you were serious.

Nahhh i'm just making fun of LoosingEnds
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#32 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -

Let the X720 speculation begin!:P

Couresy of NeoGaf

Wii/PS3/Kinect homebrewer rumor: Durango CPU clocked at 1.6ghz.

In reference to a question Marcan got on the Wii U's CPU clock at 1.25ghz...

Originally Posted by:

Marcan:If you want more evidence that MHz isn't everything, a little birdie points out that Durango (Xbox 720) is specc'ed to have a 1.6GHz CPU.

Food for thought. (And don't bother asking me who that little birdie is.)

Marcan is one of the key members of failoverflow and a lead hacker in the Wii/Wii U scene. He apparently has some sources in the know, aside from confirming the exact specs of the Wii U himself through hacking means.

Blazerdt47

On the Mhz issue, my laptop says Hi.

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#33 Posted by Kingpin0114 (2607 posts) -

Hmmm...maybe that 8 core rumor is true then.

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#34 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

Not only does clock speed not matter, the gpu is way more important to the power of the console than the cpu.

CwlHeddwyn

Clock speed does not matter? Amusing coming from a guy who has OC'd his i7 CPU all the way upto 4.6ghz. Clock speed clearly does matter but it's not the only thing to consider when looking at power. The reality is the lower your clock speed the more you are going to look at architectural improvements to beat a faster CPU.

Only for benchmarks. With external graphics card, my laptop can handle PC games just fine. I plan to use my old Radeon HD 6950 as my external graphics card for my laptop.

Intel Sandybridge/Ivybridge has both architectural improvements and clock speed.

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#35 Posted by Slow_Show (2018 posts) -

Sounds like the clock speed of a tablet controller

BPoole96

That sound you hear is the point flying spectacularly over your heard.

1.6GHz seems a little low (especially with most rumours pointing to MS going with either an Intel or AMD CPU), but I suppose it could make sense if MS is really going with an 8-core CPU (especially if they're taking advantage of TurboBoost/whatever AMD calls their version of TurboBoost).

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#37 Posted by SectorSix6 (201 posts) -
Lem be cried?
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#38 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Sounds like the clock speed of a tablet controller

Slow_Show

That sound you hear is the point flying spectacularly over your heard.

1.6GHz seems a little low (especially with most rumours pointing to MS going with either an Intel or AMD CPU), but I suppose it could make sense if MS is really going with an 8-core CPU (especially if they're taking advantage of TurboBoost/whatever AMD calls their version of TurboBoost).

AMD Opteron 4256 EE has 8 cores with 1.6Ghz base clock speed and 35W watts TDP. AMD Opteron 4256 EE can "Turbo Core" to 2.8Ghz and still keep it's 35 watts TDP.

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#39 Posted by charizard1605 (82622 posts) -
But how many bits is it?
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#40 Posted by clyde46 (49048 posts) -

[QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Sounds like the clock speed of a tablet controller

ronvalencia

That sound you hear is the point flying spectacularly over your heard.

1.6GHz seems a little low (especially with most rumours pointing to MS going with either an Intel or AMD CPU), but I suppose it could make sense if MS is really going with an 8-core CPU (especially if they're taking advantage of TurboBoost/whatever AMD calls their version of TurboBoost).

AMD Opteron 4256 EE has 8 cores with 1.6Ghz base clock speed and 35W watts TDP. AMD Opteron 4256 EE can "Turbo Core" to 2.8Ghz and still keep it's 35 watts TDP.

That sounds like an epic CPU for a low power encoding server.
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#41 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -
But how many bits is it?charizard1605
AMD Opteron 4256 EE uses the same design as AMD Bulldozer i.e. 64bit instruction set with eight 128bit FMA/FMAC SIMD units. Two 128bit FMA/FMAC SIMD units combines to form one 256bit AVX SIMD unit.
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#42 Posted by Blazerdt47 (5671 posts) -
So far next gen consoles look to be underpowered with a tablet and motion controls...again.. PC once again.

We'll see what Sony's going to do with the PS4.
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#43 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -

So far next gen consoles look to be underpowered with a tablet and motion controls...again.. PC once again.

We'll see what Sony's going to do with the PS4.
Blazerdt47

The leaked PS4 dev box uses AMD A10 Trinity and A10-5700K model has a base clock around 3.4Ghz+ quad core with 65 watts TDP. It can "Turbo Core" to 4Ghz.

AMD A10 Quad Core @ ~3.2Ghz ~= AMD Opteron 4256 EE Eight-Core @ 1.6Ghz.

Similar architecture with different performance approach i.e. AMD Opteron 4256 EE would be extremely multi-threaded bias.

Note that PPE in Xbox 360 has it's L2 cache clocked at 1.6Ghz.

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#44 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -
[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

That sound you hear is the point flying spectacularly over your heard.

1.6GHz seems a little low (especially with most rumours pointing to MS going with either an Intel or AMD CPU), but I suppose it could make sense if MS is really going with an 8-core CPU (especially if they're taking advantage of TurboBoost/whatever AMD calls their version of TurboBoost).

clyde46

AMD Opteron 4256 EE has 8 cores with 1.6Ghz base clock speed and 35W watts TDP. AMD Opteron 4256 EE can "Turbo Core" to 2.8Ghz and still keep it's 35 watts TDP.

That sounds like an epic CPU for a low power encoding server.

Note that Intel has it's own low power Xeons.
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#45 Posted by clyde46 (49048 posts) -
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

AMD Opteron 4256 EE has 8 cores with 1.6Ghz base clock speed and 35W watts TDP. AMD Opteron 4256 EE can "Turbo Core" to 2.8Ghz and still keep it's 35 watts TDP.

ronvalencia
That sounds like an epic CPU for a low power encoding server.

Note that Intel has it's own low power Xeons.

I thought Xeons were crazy money for a tad more processing power than AMD's Opteron line?
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#46 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="clyde46"] That sounds like an epic CPU for a low power encoding server.clyde46
Note that Intel has it's own low power Xeons.

I thought Xeons were crazy money for a tad more processing power than AMD's Opteron line?

It's what the market can bare. You don't under price if the market is willing to pay the asking price.

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#47 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

So the next-gen could be "the slow CPU gen"?

I've heard it could have a 16-core ARM CPU.

Lower clock speeds but more emphasis on multithreading is my guess.

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#48 Posted by TheXFiles88 (1040 posts) -

[QUOTE="MaskedPlayer"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"] yeah on contrary with you that somehow believe 720 will have a $500 gtx680. Thats totally plausible and not sillyness ( let the 2000 posts Loosey madness begin )adamosmaki

a 680 would make the console to expensive unless microsoft make everything else crap.

Loosey seems to believe that. Also cost aside you have to consider this is a 200W gpu it needs a dual slot fan to keep it cool and its quite long but MS can apparently make magic and will fit it on a box as big as a 360 according to Loosey.

Then, please explain how the Xenos (which at least 1 gen ahead of the GPU's at that time) could fit inside the Xbox 360?

THIS....

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TO THIS....

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#49 Posted by glez13 (9750 posts) -

Hmmm...maybe that 8 core rumor is true then.

Kingpin0114

Actually it was 16 cores. It was supposedly 8 for XBOX and 8 for Kinect. But looking at other rumors it looks plausible since more recent ones mention 4 hardware cores each divided into 4 logical cores. So that would make 16 cores.

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#50 Posted by Zophar87 (4344 posts) -

No link to back-up the Wii U's clockspeed. Regardless 1.6ghz is pretty bad.