Wii is bad as a primary console, now its bad as a secondary console as well

At the start of this gen's console wars, most people agreed that the Wii was good for having as your "secondary" console. After all, the Wii was cheap, it was the only console to have motion sensing, and had lots of casual/family games. Many PS3/360/PC gamers had a Wii as a secondary machine, and it was fine. I bought a Wii as my secondary machine as well in early '07.

Now, however, I think the Wii is bad as a primary AND a secondary console. Price? The Wii is only slightly cheaper to the far superior 360 and PS3 (360 Arcade is cheaper than Wii, perfect as a secondary machine or casual gaming unit). Motion sensing? Wii is facing new competition there, could prove to be better. Casual/family games? The 360 has alot of them as well, especially on XBLA. The Wii has no advantages left over PS3/360, apart from the fact that its made by Nintendo and will get 20 re-hashed Mario Sports games in the 18 months. Oh yeah, watch out for some more over-priced peripherals from Nintendo too (remember that patent where you could put your Wiimote into a football?)

If you have a 360 and want a "secondary" machine for casual/party games with motion sensing, just forget the Wii andget Natal to satify your casual gaming needs instead. If you have a PS3 and want a secondary machine, get a PSP. If you are a PC gamer and wan a console as your secondary machine, get a PS3 or 360. I can't find any good reason to buy a Wii anymore, EVEN as a secondary or third machine. No HD gaming, bad online, no hard drive, too many peripherals, poor hardcore games library, classic controller is bad, too much shovelware, etc. Your thoughts?

Oh yeah, watch out for some more over-priced peripherals from Nintendo too (remember that patent where you could put your Wiimote into a football?)

PandaBear86

your reasons are awful, what you basically said is why get a wii when you can pay more and get 2 other consoles that are trying to mimic the wii in what it does best.

i could understand if you thought the 360/ps3 library was superior, and you get more for your money, and you think they're targeted more towards you. but buying a ps3 or 360 for party games and not yet released motion controls is not a good argument.

your reasons are awful, what you basically said is why get a wii when you can pay more and get 2 other consoles that are trying to mimic the wii in what it does best.

i could understand if you thought the 360/ps3 library was superior, and you get more for your money, and you think they're targeted more towards you. but buying a ps3 or 360 for party games and not yet released motion controls is not a good argument.

Wake me when the patents are real.OreoMilkshake

your reasons are awful, what you basically said is why get a wii when you can pay more and get 2 other consoles that are trying to mimic the wii in what it does best.

i could understand if you thought the 360/ps3 library was superior, and you get more for your money, and you think they're targeted more towards you. but buying a ps3 or 360 for party games and not yet released motion controls is not a good argument.

The Wii is quite probably the best secondary console. But it needs a price drop. IronBass

Not really.

Not really.789shadow

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

your reasons are awful, what you basically said is why get a wii when you can pay more and get 2 other consoles that are trying to mimic the wii in what it does best.

i could understand if you thought the 360/ps3 library was superior, and you get more for your money, and you think they're targeted more towards you. but buying a ps3 or 360 for party games and not yet released motion controls is not a good argument.

PandaBear86

But it has what really matters: games.

A quick list of great games on the Wii:

Lets start with the 1st party games:

Super Mario Galaxy; The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess; Metroid Prime 3; Mario Kart Wii; SuperSmash Bros Brawl; Super Paper Mario; Mario Strikers Charged; Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn; Wario Land: The Shake Dimension; Excite Truck; Punch-Out!; Another Code: R - A Journey Into Lost Memories.

Now the Gamecube games re-released on the Wii with motion sensing and a small graphical update:

Pikmin; Pikmin 2; Metroid Prime; Metroid Prime 2: Echoes; Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat; Mario Power Tennis.

And now the 3rd party games:

De Blob; No More Heroes; Sonic and the Secret Rings (highly underrated); Rune Factory: Frontier; Arc Rise Fantasia; Little King's Story; Trauma Center: Second Opinion; Trauma Center: New Blood; Murasama: The Demon Blade; Monster Hunter 3.

Not to mention you can play most of the games of NES; SNES; N64; SEGA Master System; Mega Drive; TurboGrafx-16; Neo Geo; Commodore 64 and MSX with the help of Virtual Console.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]Not really.IronBass

If by drastic, you mean from 1,200 feet to 900 feet, then yeah.Willy105

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="789shadow"]Not really.Willy105

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="789shadow"]Not really.Willy105

what is a primary or secondary console anyway

what is a primary or secondary console anyway

what is a primary or secondary console anyway

Based on my experience, it's great as a primary and secondary console, based on individual gaming preferences. Currently, it's our secondary console, used mostly for multiplayer. Wii does that best, by far.

what is a primary or secondary console anyway

what is a primary or secondary console anyway

Now, however, I think the Wii is bad as a primary AND a secondary console. Price? The Wii is only slightly cheaper to the far superior 360 and PS3 (360 Arcade is cheaper than Wii, perfect as a secondary machine or casual gaming unit). Motion sensing? Wii is facing new competition there, could prove to be better. Casual/family games? The 360 has alot of them as well, especially on XBLA. The Wii has no advantages left over PS3/360, apart from the fact that its made by Nintendo and will get 20 re-hashed Mario Sports games in the 18 months. PandaBear86

Kewl story bro.

Oh yeah, watch out for some more over-priced peripherals from Nintendo too (remember that patent where you could put your Wiimote into a football?) PandaBear86

Remember the sony patent with a guy laughing at a rottating contraption that slaps his in-game avatar's behind with cowboy shoes?

You must be new to this if you think patents are meant to be taken literally. More than half of them never get used and the ones they intend to use are cleaverly disguised as something stupid/farfetched to evade the copycats.

If you have a 360 and want a "secondary" machine for casual/party games with motion sensing, just forget the Wii andget Natal to satify your casual gaming needs instead. If you have a PS3 and want a secondary machine, get a PSP. If you are a PC gamer and wan a console as your secondary machine, get a PS3 or 360. I can't find any good reason to buy a Wii anymore, EVEN as a secondary or third machine. No HD gaming, bad online, no hard drive, too many peripherals, poor hardcore games library, classic controller is bad, too much shovelware, etc. Your thoughts?

PandaBear86

Shocking revelations!!!! :O

Wii doesnt have HD? To think of all those SW posters who would probably buy it thinking otherwise.

Damn, nintendo is in deep trouble. The cat is out of the bag guize.

But it has what really matters: games.

A quick list of great games on the Wii:

Lets start with the 1st party games:

Super Mario Galaxy; The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess; Metroid Prime 3; Mario Kart Wii; SuperSmash Bros Brawl; Super Paper Mario; Mario Strikers Charged; Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn; Wario Land: The Shake Dimension; Excite Truck; Punch-Out!; Another Code: R - A Journey Into Lost Memories.

Now the Gamecube games re-released on the Wii with motion sensing and a small graphical update:

Pikmin; Pikmin 2; Metroid Prime; Metroid Prime 2: Echoes; Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat; Mario Power Tennis.

And now the 3rd party games:

De Blob; No More Heroes; Sonic and the Secret Rings (highly underrated); Rune Factory: Frontier; Arc Rise Fantasia; Little King's Story; Trauma Center: Second Opinion; Trauma Center: New Blood; Murasama: The Demon Blade; Monster Hunter 3.

Not to mention you can play most of the games of NES; SNES; N64; SEGA Master System; Mega Drive; TurboGrafx-16; Neo Geo; Commodore 64 and MSX with the help of Virtual Console.

Odobrand

Finally someone with some actual knowledge of the Wii. True it doesn't have the best visuals and such but the Library is killing the 360 and PS3 even without the Shovelware (That might I add is on ALL 3 SYSTEMS - Funny how people think that the 360 and PS3 have absolutely NO Shovelware at all - yet games like Pixeljunk and Echochrome exist). The games that you mentioned are just the beginning of the immense library of Awesome Wii titles. That list is only about 5% of the Awesome library on the Wii. Then it's FULLY Backwards Compatible with the Gamecube, AND emulates a good 80% of old school consoles. The Wii definitely is a good Secondary AND Primary console.

the people that bash the wii prob never played mario galaxy which is better than all halo games combined and better than lbp or infamou without tryingCow_tipping

wow are you seriouse. i have played galaxy and that game is just way to easy. i think its you who prob never played lbp infamous or any halo games.

[QUOTE="Cow_tipping"]the people that bash the wii prob never played mario galaxy which is better than all halo games combined and better than lbp or infamou without tryingmanocanada

wow are you seriouse. i have played galaxy and that game is just way to easy. i think its you who prob never played lbp infamous or any halo games.

[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"]

your reasons are awful, what you basically said is why get a wii when you can pay more and get 2 other consoles that are trying to mimic the wii in what it does best.

i could understand if you thought the 360/ps3 library was superior, and you get more for your money, and you think they're targeted more towards you. but buying a ps3 or 360 for party games and not yet released motion controls is not a good argument.

PandaBear86

As a long time gamer (before the NES), I find it hillarious how many of you people depend on graphics for your gaming enjoyment. Play some of the classics and maybe then you'll realize where the true value of ANY game comes from. Gameplay, story and being just plain fun to play.

[QUOTE="manocanada"]

[QUOTE="Cow_tipping"]the people that bash the wii prob never played mario galaxy which is better than all halo games combined and better than lbp or infamou without tryingtagyhag

wow are you seriouse. i have played galaxy and that game is just way to easy. i think its you who prob never played lbp infamous or any halo games.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="manocanada"]

wow are you seriouse. i have played galaxy and that game is just way to easy. i think its you who prob never played lbp infamous or any halo games.

Nedemis

I dunno, I still play my Wii as much as my 360 and PS3. There are some games that are just exclusive to the Wii--right now I'm playing MP Trilogy (never played any of the Metroid games on GCN) and LKS. I also have Zack and Wiki in there at times and Tiger Woods 10. I'm not playing much for my 360--COD WAW and COD4 occasionally... just pick em up games when I'm bored, and Prince of Perisa. I'm playing Batman AA on my PS3 and occasionally KZ2 and COD4 (and FF7 if you want to count that). So all in all I think I'm playing my Wii just as much as the other two systems.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="manocanada"]

wow are you seriouse. i have played galaxy and that game is just way to easy. i think its you who prob never played lbp infamous or any halo games.

Nedemis

I've done that and I can honestly say, THE GAMES HALO 1, 2 & 3ARE EASY ON LEGENDARY ON SINGLE PLAYER. Galaxy's difficulty comes with finding every single thing in the game, Halo's Difficulty comes with getting all the achievements. I agree with Tagyhag on that easily, LBP, Infamous (Marvel Super Hero Wannabe) and Halo are too easy.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] You're calling LBP, Infamous, or any Halo game hard? :lol: You sir, are funny.tagyhag

yep i am saying that halo is a bit harder than mario galaxy. try going online and reaching lvl 50 in lone wolfs.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] You're calling LBP, Infamous, or any Halo game hard? :lol: You sir, are funny.nini200

I've done that and I can honestly say, THE GAMES HALO 1, 2 & 3ARE EASY ON LEGENDARY ON SINGLE PLAYER. Galaxy's difficulty comes with finding every single thing in the game, Halo's Difficulty comes with getting all the achievements. I agree with Tagyhag on that easily, LBP, Infamous (Marvel Super Hero Wannabe) and Halo are too easy.

btw....you just proved that you haven't play the first two Halo games by stating that the only difficult part of the games is getting the achievements. The first two games didn't have achievements. :|

[QUOTE="nini200"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"] go and pass Halo: CE or Halo2 on Legendary (single player) and come back and say that again. Halo3 on Legendary was a joke, but the first two were insanely difficult. :|

Nedemis

I've done that and I can honestly say, THE GAMES HALO 1, 2 & 3ARE EASY ON LEGENDARY ON SINGLE PLAYER. Galaxy's difficulty comes with finding every single thing in the game, Halo's Difficulty comes with getting all the achievements. I agree with Tagyhag on that easily, LBP, Infamous (Marvel Super Hero Wannabe) and Halo are too easy.

btw....you just proved that you haven't play the first two Halo games by stating that the only difficult part of the games is getting the achievements. The first two games didn't have achievements. :|

That's ok that you disagree. I'm fine with that. If you want a FPS that's harder than Halo, go play Soldier of Fortune on the Hardest Difficulty. Probably wouldn't make it past the first stage. Or Crysis. And I have Halo 2 on Xbox and Beat Halo 1 over my cousin's house. the Achievements statement were for Halo 3 obviously since it's on 360. The Hardest part I found in Halo was on part 2 when you had to fight that Humongous Alien Walker thing (Forgot the name, haven't played it since I beat it) that was walking under the bridges you had to cross over and the part where you had to jump onto it and shoot all the aliens inside it. Other than that, Halo wasn't truly difficult at least that may just be to me.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="Nedemis"] go and pass Halo: CE or Halo2 on Legendary (single player) and come back and say that again. Halo3 on Legendary was a joke, but the first two were insanely difficult. :|

manocanada

yep i am saying that halo is a bit harder than mario galaxy. try going online and reaching lvl 50 in lone wolfs.

If you have a 360 and want a "secondary" machine for casual/party games with motion sensing, just forget the Wii andget Natal to satify your casual gaming needs instead.

PandaBear86

So we're suppose to add a controller that isn't out yet to play with games that don't exist yet either. What a solution!

And weren't you just complaining about excess peripherals ... so we're supposed to buy an untested new peripheral to avoid Nintendo's peripherals?

As a long time gamer (before the NES), I find it hillarious how many of you people depend on graphics for your gaming enjoyment. Play some of the classics and maybe then you'll realize where the true value of ANY game comes from. Gameplay, story and being just plain fun to play.

Nedemis

Yep, last time I checked Tetris was still plenty addicting ... with about the lamest graphics post-2600-era.

[QUOTE="nini200"]

I've done that and I can honestly say, THE GAMES HALO 1, 2 & 3ARE EASY ON LEGENDARY ON SINGLE PLAYER. Galaxy's difficulty comes with finding every single thing in the game, Halo's Difficulty comes with getting all the achievements. I agree with Tagyhag on that easily, LBP, Infamous (Marvel Super Hero Wannabe) and Halo are too easy.

Nedemis

btw....you just proved that you haven't play the first two Halo games by stating that the only difficult part of the games is getting the achievements. The first two games didn't have achievements. :|

Ah I see...You've just looked in the wrong places is all.

Go play STALKER, Operation Flashpoint, Ironstorm, Far Cry, Wolfenstein 3D, Natural Selection,Soldier of Fortune II,Descent 2,System Shock 2,Duke Nukem 3D, or SWAT 4.

At the start of this gen's console wars, most people agreed that the Wii was good for having as your "secondary" console. After all, the Wii was cheap, it was the only console to have motion sensing, and had lots of casual/family games. Many PS3/360/PC gamers had a Wii as a secondary machine, and it was fine. I bought a Wii as my secondary machine as well in early '07.

Now, however, I think the Wii is bad as a primary AND a secondary console. Price? The Wii is only slightly cheaper to the far superior 360 and PS3 (360 Arcade is cheaper than Wii, perfect as a secondary machine or casual gaming unit). Motion sensing? Wii is facing new competition there, could prove to be better. Casual/family games? The 360 has alot of them as well, especially on XBLA. The Wii has no advantages left over PS3/360, apart from the fact that its made by Nintendo and will get 20 re-hashed Mario Sports games in the 18 months. Oh yeah, watch out for some more over-priced peripherals from Nintendo too (remember that patent where you could put your Wiimote into a football?)

If you have a 360 and want a "secondary" machine for casual/party games with motion sensing, just forget the Wii andget Natal to satify your casual gaming needs instead. If you have a PS3 and want a secondary machine, get a PSP. If you are a PC gamer and wan a console as your secondary machine, get a PS3 or 360. I can't find any good reason to buy a Wii anymore, EVEN as a secondary or third machine. No HD gaming, bad online, no hard drive, too many peripherals, poor hardcore games library, classic controller is bad, too much shovelware, etc. Your thoughts?

PandaBear86

whats the point of having motion control if theres no games for it. I mean not a single developer has shown interest in the PS wand and NATALs games will propably suck because its new tech just like the original wii games motion sensing wasnt as good and would I like to remind you RED STEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="manocanada"]

wow are you seriouse. i have played galaxy and that game is just way to easy. i think its you who prob never played lbp infamous or any halo games.

Nedemis

Pffft! The Halo games have aim-assist. Now THAT'S a joke!

Great graphics do not always mean a great game. High difficulty doesn't always mean a great game. I agree that SMG was easy, but it was still an amazing experience.

i think ur wrong in a lot of apects. When it comes to family games PS3 and 360 arent even worthy to stand on a level with it. The wii also has prettty good online. The conduit is pretty intense online. I also think that the wii has the potential to be a primary system. You need people who will look at the wii, take in all the aspects and say "how can we make a game great?" You need more games like Smash Bros. Brawl, and Zelda. Metroid Other M looks like great game and so does FF Crystal Bearers. The problem is instead of making great shooters for the wii people say screw this and turn to the 360. Think of it this way. Would any game you played be totally horrible with a step down on graphics and then motion controls?