Wii haters: It takes 2 years to make a decent game

Good point , but the third party developers still have a lot to prove beyond the Resident Evil type of game.

I guess i'll wait some time before i get a Wii.

So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.HazeNPopes

How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me that.

People have been saying it since the 360 and PS3 have come out, and I'll say it again here:

PS3 and 360 aren't "next gen". They're simply shinier, prettier versions of the PS2 and XBOX.

After reading December Issue 2001 of EGM (Xbox vs GC).....Nintendo promised 3rd parties will jump on the GC Bandwagon. Why? because thier numero uno goal was to make the GC developer friendly.

6 years later, what happen to those developers for the GC? :lol: 

Nintendo BLATANTLY said thier Wii was graphically capable and developer friendly. Yet all we got was Red Steel, Far Cry, MoH Vanguard, GT Pro Racer?

Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse.  

 Far Cry (perfect example) should at least be better or comparable to the Xbox counterpart. 

So what happen? :lol: 

How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me thatMaelkav

SixAxiS.

[QUOTE="HazeNPopes"]So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.Maelkav

How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me that.

People have been saying it since the 360 and PS3 have come out, and I'll say it again here:

PS3 and 360 aren't "next gen". They're simply shinier, prettier versions of the PS2 and XBOX.

Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. KingsofQueens

Yea, great point for 3rd party gaming. Only ones that dont have that excuse is nintendo themselves NATATO

[QUOTE="Maelkav"] How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me thatDementedDragon

SixAxiS.

I would laugh, but that's not even funny. Are you kidding me? Wow.

[QUOTE="DementedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Maelkav"] How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me thatMaelkav

SixAxiS.

I would laugh, but that's not even funny. Are you kidding me? Wow.

[QUOTE="DementedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Maelkav"] How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me thatMaelkav

SixAxiS.

I would laugh, but that's not even funny. Are you kidding me? Wow.

You asked a question I gave you an answer, Nintendo isn't the only one doing something 'different' this gen. 

So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.HazeNPopes

So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.HazeNPopes

When fanboys can't enter a legitimate question about the Wii regarding its success, they bash its graphics.  How repetitive.

[QUOTE="HazeNPopes"]So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.-The-G-Man-

When fanboys can't enter a legitimate question about the Wii regarding its success, they bash its graphics.  How repetitive.

What kind of idiots would say that? So the better online, wifi, hddvd, blue ray, multimedia is not next gen? So i guess i can say the wii is nothing but a gamecube with a different remote.HazeNPopes

Better online? Nope. The online capabilites of consoles right now match those of PCs in...1998. I don't know why you bring up WiFI. All three systems have that. HD-DVD and BlueRay don't make a system next-gen. It just makes it "multimedia". If the Sega Genesis had included a VHS player, do you think that people would still have bought it when the N64 came out? No.

Yes, you can say that the Wii is nothing but a Gamecube with a different remote. Actually, it would be better to say "Wii finally has something OTHER than a analog controller".

*Looks at Oblivion and GRAW 360 release dates*

*looks at thread*

:|

[QUOTE="Maelkav"][QUOTE="DementedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Maelkav"] How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me thatDementedDragon

SixAxiS.

I would laugh, but that's not even funny. Are you kidding me? Wow.

You asked a question I gave you an answer, Nintendo isn't the only one doing something 'different' this gen.

[QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. mjarantilla

Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools.  There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform. 

You are right but wrong. Developers knew about it before it comes out. Also I hope some better ones come out.jjj13

After reading December Issue 2001 of EGM (Xbox vs GC).....Nintendo promised 3rd parties will jump on the GC Bandwagon. Why? because thier numero uno goal was to make the GC developer friendly.

6 years later, what happen to those developers for the GC? :lol: 

Nintendo BLATANTLY said thier Wii was graphically capable and developer friendly. Yet all we got was Red Steel, Far Cry, MoH Vanguard, GT Pro Racer?

Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse.  

 Far Cry (perfect example) should at least be better or comparable to the Xbox counterpart. 

So what happen? :lol: 

 

KingsofQueens

[QUOTE="HazeNPopes"]What kind of idiots would say that? So the better online, wifi, hddvd, blue ray, multimedia is not next gen? So i guess i can say the wii is nothing but a gamecube with a different remote.Maelkav

Better online? Nope. The online capabilites of consoles right now match those of PCs in...1998. I don't know why you bring up WiFI. All three systems have that. HD-DVD and BlueRay don't make a system next-gen. It just makes it "multimedia". If the Sega Genesis had included a VHS player, do you think that people would still have bought it when the N64 came out? No.

Yes, you can say that the Wii is nothing but a Gamecube with a different remote. Actually, it would be better to say "Wii finally has something OTHER than a analog controller".

how is sony doing something different? sixaxis is just a wiimote ripoff so how are they doing something different this time around?shoeman12

something different from the previous generation, besides blu-ray.

and tilt/motion-sensing is nothing 'new' either.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. KingsofQueens

Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

[QUOTE="HazeNPopes"]So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.HazeNPopes

When fanboys can't enter a legitimate question about the Wii regarding its success, they bash its graphics.  How repetitive.

I'm not denying its graphics suck compared to the competition.  But instead of actually answering the question, you did what all the other fanboys do: say the Wii has terrible graphics while ignoring the point of the thread completely.

[QUOTE="Maelkav"] How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me thatDementedDragon

SixAxiS.

Oddly, I don't hear much talk about the SixAxiS feature, even from the cows. Seems like just some gimmick Sony added on at the last minute to make it seem as good as the Wii.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]how is sony doing something different? sixaxis is just a wiimote ripoff so how are they doing something different this time around?DementedDragon

something different from the previous generation, besides blu-ray.

and tilt/motion-sensing is nothing 'new' either.

I guess i'll wait some time before i get a Wii.

ELJUDEZ

Oddly, I don't hear much talk about the SixAxiS feature, even from the cows. Seems like just some gimmick Sony added on at the last minute to make it seem as good as the Wii.Boomarley

Well we're looking at two different consoles with two different approaches; one is centered around the controller and the other is not.

[QUOTE="ELJUDEZ"]

I guess i'll wait some time before i get a Wii.

GG7

[QUOTE="ELJUDEZ"]

I guess i'll wait some time before i get a Wii.

GG7

[QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. mjarantilla

Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.

6 years later, devs are still tinkering with coding (depending on game) and familiarity? That's Bull**** 

I'm no programmer, I'm basing my argument on behalf of what Nintendo has said in the past and reading from countless of sources from gaming sites and mags. But seriously, that's very hard to believe, even after 6 years.  

Yes it is, the way Nintendo uses it. Technology alone is not innovation: the IMAGINATIVE USE of the technology is the true innovation.mjarantilla

And that would make it 'Unique' not New.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. KingsofQueens

Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.

6 years later, devs are still tinkering with coding (depending on game) and familiarity? That's Bull**** 

I'm no programmer, I'm basing my argument on behalf of what Nintendo has said in the past and reading from countless of sources from gaming sites and mags. But seriously, that's very hard to believe, even after 6 years.  

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]how is sony doing something different? sixaxis is just a wiimote ripoff so how are they doing something different this time around?DementedDragon

something different from the previous generation, besides blu-ray.

and tilt/motion-sensing is nothing 'new' either.

Technically speaking, "nicer graphics" are nothing new, either.

I guess it all depends on what your idea of "next gen" is...

"Better graphics" seems like a pretty sloppy definition to me.

"Bigger worlds and more immersive gameplay" is a decent definition, but...

"completely changing the way you play games (which is what the Wii-mote has done)" seems like a pretty solid definition of next-gen.

Please, people. PLEASE don't use HD-DVD and other multimedia stuff as an argument for next-gen. If you put a blender, a fog horn, and neon lights on a console, would it be next gen? Those multimedia things have ZERO to do with gameplay...

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. KingsofQueens

Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.

6 years later, devs are still tinkering with coding (depending on game) and familiarity? That's Bull****

I'm no programmer, I'm basing my argument on behalf of what Nintendo has said in the past and reading from countless of sources from gaming sites and mags. But seriously, that's very hard to believe, even after 6 years.

I guess it all depends on what your idea of "next gen" is...Maelkav

And that's the root of the problem on this board.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Yes it is, the way Nintendo uses it. Technology alone is not innovation: the IMAGINATIVE USE of the technology is the true innovation.DementedDragon

And that would make it 'Unique' not New.

[QUOTE="DementedDragon"]

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]how is sony doing something different? sixaxis is just a wiimote ripoff so how are they doing something different this time around?Maelkav

something different from the previous generation, besides blu-ray.

and tilt/motion-sensing is nothing 'new' either.

Technically speaking, "nicer graphics" are nothing new, either.

I guess it all depends on what your idea of "next gen" is...

"Better graphics" seems like a pretty sloppy definition to me.

"Bigger worlds and more immersive gameplay" is a decent definition, but...

"completely changing the way you play games (which is what the Wii-mote has done)" seems like a pretty solid definition of next-gen.

Please, people. PLEASE don't use HD-DVD and other multimedia stuff as an argument for next-gen. If you put a blender, a fog horn, and neon lights on a console, would it be next gen? Those multimedia things have ZERO to do with gameplay...

Why even try? They will not listen. They are like children with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed going "lalala, I can't hear you, lalala."foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Maelkav"]I guess it all depends on what your idea of "next gen" is...DementedDragon

And that's the root of the problem on this board.

Fools! All of us! 

By the way, I like your avatar. Guilty Gear owns

[QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. mjarantilla

Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.

6 years later, devs are still tinkering with coding (depending on game) and familiarity? That's Bull****

I'm no programmer, I'm basing my argument on behalf of what Nintendo has said in the past and reading from countless of sources from gaming sites and mags. But seriously, that's very hard to believe, even after 6 years.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. Zaistev_basic

Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.

6 years later, devs are still tinkering with coding (depending on game) and familiarity? That's Bull****

I'm no programmer, I'm basing my argument on behalf of what Nintendo has said in the past and reading from countless of sources from gaming sites and mags. But seriously, that's very hard to believe, even after 6 years.