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So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.HazeNPopes
How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me that.
People have been saying it since the 360 and PS3 have come out, and I'll say it again here:
PS3 and 360 aren't "next gen". They're simply shinier, prettier versions of the PS2 and XBOX.
After reading December Issue 2001 of EGM (Xbox vs GC).....Nintendo promised 3rd parties will jump on the GC Bandwagon. Why? because thier numero uno goal was to make the GC developer friendly.
6 years later, what happen to those developers for the GC? :lol:Â
Nintendo BLATANTLY said thier Wii was graphically capable and developer friendly. Yet all we got was Red Steel, Far Cry, MoH Vanguard, GT Pro Racer?
Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. Â
 Far Cry (perfect example) should at least be better or comparable to the Xbox counterpart.Â
So what happen? :lol:Â
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How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me thatMaelkav
SixAxiS.
[QUOTE="HazeNPopes"]So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.Maelkav
How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me that.
People have been saying it since the 360 and PS3 have come out, and I'll say it again here:
PS3 and 360 aren't "next gen". They're simply shinier, prettier versions of the PS2 and XBOX.
What kind of idiots would say that? So the better online, wifi, hddvd, blue ray, multimedia is not next gen? So i guess i can say the wii is nothing but a gamecube with a different remote.Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. KingsofQueensOh bull****. It took Bungie how many years to make Halo 2, despite being intimately familiar with the Xbox? How long did it take Square-Enix to make Final Fantasy XII, despite being intimately familiar with the PS2? You think all it takes is talent and experience? It takes TIME. Hell, time is even more important than talent OR experience, because software companies have VERY high turnover rates. The only constants are usually just the leadership, and they don't work with the tools. :roll:
Yea, great point for 3rd party gaming. Only ones that dont have that excuse is nintendo themselves NATATONintendo has 1/10 as many developers as EA. They hardly have the resources to turn out more than a few games per year.
[QUOTE="DementedDragon"][QUOTE="Maelkav"] How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me thatMaelkav
SixAxiS.
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I would laugh, but that's not even funny. Are you kidding me? Wow.
Well you just self owned yourself since you asked how long will it take for sony to develop controls that are next gen standars, they have the sixaxis, like it or not its pretty much next gen standards.[QUOTE="DementedDragon"][QUOTE="Maelkav"] How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me thatMaelkav
SixAxiS.
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I would laugh, but that's not even funny. Are you kidding me? Wow.
You asked a question I gave you an answer, Nintendo isn't the only one doing something 'different' this gen.Â
So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.HazeNPopesSo you must be new to gamming? Cause I remember the last two generations Nintendo either had the best or second best graphics. And how did that work out for them? Yet PS1 and PS2 had the worst and........ oh nevermind.
So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.HazeNPopes
When fanboys can't enter a legitimate question about the Wii regarding its success, they bash its graphics. How repetitive.
[QUOTE="HazeNPopes"]So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.-The-G-Man-
When fanboys can't enter a legitimate question about the Wii regarding its success, they bash its graphics. How repetitive.
I actually bought the wii yesterday and yes it does have terrible graphics.What kind of idiots would say that? So the better online, wifi, hddvd, blue ray, multimedia is not next gen? So i guess i can say the wii is nothing but a gamecube with a different remote.HazeNPopes
Better online? Nope. The online capabilites of consoles right now match those of PCs in...1998. I don't know why you bring up WiFI. All three systems have that. HD-DVD and BlueRay don't make a system next-gen. It just makes it "multimedia". If the Sega Genesis had included a VHS player, do you think that people would still have bought it when the N64 came out? No.
Yes, you can say that the Wii is nothing but a Gamecube with a different remote. Actually, it would be better to say "Wii finally has something OTHER than a analog controller".
[QUOTE="Maelkav"][QUOTE="DementedDragon"][QUOTE="Maelkav"] How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me thatDementedDragon
SixAxiS.
I would laugh, but that's not even funny. Are you kidding me? Wow.
You asked a question I gave you an answer, Nintendo isn't the only one doing something 'different' this gen.
how is sony doing something different? sixaxis is just a wiimote ripoff so how are they doing something different this time around?[QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. mjarantilla
Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.Â
You are right but wrong. Developers knew about it before it comes out. Also I hope some better ones come out.jjj13But it wasn't until E3 that developers actually started anything for it. For most of them, anyway.
what about games like madden, trauma center, rayman? also, no one has gotten a WII DEVELOOMENT KIT, so it has not unleashed its full potentialAfter reading December Issue 2001 of EGM (Xbox vs GC).....Nintendo promised 3rd parties will jump on the GC Bandwagon. Why? because thier numero uno goal was to make the GC developer friendly.
6 years later, what happen to those developers for the GC? :lol:Â
Nintendo BLATANTLY said thier Wii was graphically capable and developer friendly. Yet all we got was Red Steel, Far Cry, MoH Vanguard, GT Pro Racer?
Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. Â
 Far Cry (perfect example) should at least be better or comparable to the Xbox counterpart.Â
So what happen? :lol:Â
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KingsofQueens
[QUOTE="HazeNPopes"]What kind of idiots would say that? So the better online, wifi, hddvd, blue ray, multimedia is not next gen? So i guess i can say the wii is nothing but a gamecube with a different remote.Maelkav
Better online? Nope. The online capabilites of consoles right now match those of PCs in...1998. I don't know why you bring up WiFI. All three systems have that. HD-DVD and BlueRay don't make a system next-gen. It just makes it "multimedia". If the Sega Genesis had included a VHS player, do you think that people would still have bought it when the N64 came out? No.
Yes, you can say that the Wii is nothing but a Gamecube with a different remote. Actually, it would be better to say "Wii finally has something OTHER than a analog controller".
lol 360 does not have that, hd dvd and blu ray is next gen , dont be sad because the wii online is pitiful, multimedia is good, wii remote is good but does it qualify for next gen?how is sony doing something different? sixaxis is just a wiimote ripoff so how are they doing something different this time around?shoeman12
something different from the previous generation, besides blu-ray.
and tilt/motion-sensing is nothing 'new' either.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. KingsofQueens
Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.
Like I said, it takes two years to make a decent game. How long after the Wii was announced did MoH Vanguard launch? Hell, how long ago was Vanguard even announced? Exactly. No matter what, it still takes TIME to develop a game. The time it takes to learn the tools is nothing in comparison to the actual coding that needs to be done. Familiarity makes developers' lives easier, it doesn't make developers program any faster.[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="HazeNPopes"]So then answer me this, how long will it take for them to develop graphics that are on next gen standards.HazeNPopes
When fanboys can't enter a legitimate question about the Wii regarding its success, they bash its graphics. How repetitive.
I actually bought the wii yesterday and yes it does have terrible graphics.I'm not denying its graphics suck compared to the competition. But instead of actually answering the question, you did what all the other fanboys do: say the Wii has terrible graphics while ignoring the point of the thread completely.
[QUOTE="Maelkav"] How long will it take Sony and MS to develop CONTROLS that are on next gen standards? Answer me thatDementedDragon
SixAxiS.
Oddly, I don't hear much talk about the SixAxiS feature, even from the cows. Seems like just some gimmick Sony added on at the last minute to make it seem as good as the Wii.
[QUOTE="shoeman12"]how is sony doing something different? sixaxis is just a wiimote ripoff so how are they doing something different this time around?DementedDragon
something different from the previous generation, besides blu-ray.
and tilt/motion-sensing is nothing 'new' either.
Yes it is, the way Nintendo uses it. Technology alone is not innovation: the IMAGINATIVE USE of the technology is the true innovation.Exactly! No point buying one right now. The thing is seeing the same game droughts that plagued the GameCube. Even two years after launch, the GC was still a dust collector most of the time. I learned my lesson then, and am applying it now. ;)I guess i'll wait some time before i get a Wii.
ELJUDEZ
Oddly, I don't hear much talk about the SixAxiS feature, even from the cows. Seems like just some gimmick Sony added on at the last minute to make it seem as good as the Wii.Boomarley
Well we're looking at two different consoles with two different approaches; one is centered around the controller and the other is not.
[QUOTE="ELJUDEZ"]Exactly! No point buying one right now. The thing is seeing the same game droughts that plagued the GameCube. Even two years after launch, the GC was still a dust collector most of the time. I learned my lesson then, and am applying it now. ;) The 360 went through just as bad a drought. Ditto with the PS3.I guess i'll wait some time before i get a Wii.
GG7
[QUOTE="ELJUDEZ"]Exactly! No point buying one right now. The thing is seeing the same game droughts that plagued the GameCube. Even two years after launch, the GC was still a dust collector most of the time. I learned my lesson then, and am applying it now. ;) Actually, I agree with the lesson, MOST PEOPLE BOUGHT PS2 AFTER 2 YEARS OF ITS LIFE.I guess i'll wait some time before i get a Wii.
GG7
[QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. mjarantilla
Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.
6 years later, devs are still tinkering with coding (depending on game) and familiarity? That's Bull****Â
I'm no programmer, I'm basing my argument on behalf of what Nintendo has said in the past and reading from countless of sources from gaming sites and mags. But seriously, that's very hard to believe, even after 6 years. Â
Yes it is, the way Nintendo uses it. Technology alone is not innovation: the IMAGINATIVE USE of the technology is the true innovation.mjarantilla
And that would make it 'Unique' not New.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. KingsofQueens
Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.
6 years later, devs are still tinkering with coding (depending on game) and familiarity? That's Bull****Â
I'm no programmer, I'm basing my argument on behalf of what Nintendo has said in the past and reading from countless of sources from gaming sites and mags. But seriously, that's very hard to believe, even after 6 years. Â
You no programmer which basicly make you point useless.[QUOTE="shoeman12"]how is sony doing something different? sixaxis is just a wiimote ripoff so how are they doing something different this time around?DementedDragon
something different from the previous generation, besides blu-ray.
and tilt/motion-sensing is nothing 'new' either.
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Technically speaking, "nicer graphics" are nothing new, either.
I guess it all depends on what your idea of "next gen" is...
"Better graphics" seems like a pretty sloppy definition to me.
"Bigger worlds and more immersive gameplay" is a decent definition, but...
"completely changing the way you play games (which is what the Wii-mote has done)" seems like a pretty solid definition of next-gen.
Please, people. PLEASE don't use HD-DVD and other multimedia stuff as an argument for next-gen. If you put a blender, a fog horn, and neon lights on a console, would it be next gen? Those multimedia things have ZERO to do with gameplay...
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. KingsofQueens
Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.
6 years later, devs are still tinkering with coding (depending on game) and familiarity? That's Bull****
I'm no programmer, I'm basing my argument on behalf of what Nintendo has said in the past and reading from countless of sources from gaming sites and mags. But seriously, that's very hard to believe, even after 6 years.
Are you even listening? I'm saying even if devs are familiar with the tools, IT STILL TAKES TIME TO CREATE A GAME. Tools are one thing, but designing the game mechanics is something else altogether. It's not like the tools give that to you ready-made. They only implement the most common functions that every game uses. Are you really a programmer, or are you just a programming student who wishes he was a programmer? EDIT: Oh, I missed the "no programmer" part.I guess it all depends on what your idea of "next gen" is...Maelkav
And that's the root of the problem on this board.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Yes it is, the way Nintendo uses it. Technology alone is not innovation: the IMAGINATIVE USE of the technology is the true innovation.DementedDragon
And that would make it 'Unique' not New.
Yes, that makes it new.[QUOTE="DementedDragon"][QUOTE="shoeman12"]how is sony doing something different? sixaxis is just a wiimote ripoff so how are they doing something different this time around?Maelkav
something different from the previous generation, besides blu-ray.
and tilt/motion-sensing is nothing 'new' either.
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Technically speaking, "nicer graphics" are nothing new, either.
I guess it all depends on what your idea of "next gen" is...
"Better graphics" seems like a pretty sloppy definition to me.
"Bigger worlds and more immersive gameplay" is a decent definition, but...
"completely changing the way you play games (which is what the Wii-mote has done)" seems like a pretty solid definition of next-gen.
Please, people. PLEASE don't use HD-DVD and other multimedia stuff as an argument for next-gen. If you put a blender, a fog horn, and neon lights on a console, would it be next gen? Those multimedia things have ZERO to do with gameplay...
I agree with you but it is the lemmings who don't because their strength is on graphics. Cows knows how it feels to have an inferior graphics. Only some cows but not all who uses graphics as their tool of bashing. It is basically the lemmings who uses graphics to bash consoles ever since the release of Xbox.Why even try? They will not listen. They are like children with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed going "lalala, I can't hear you, lalala."foxhound_foxThey are like Girr from Invader Zim.
[QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. mjarantilla
Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.
6 years later, devs are still tinkering with coding (depending on game) and familiarity? That's Bull****
I'm no programmer, I'm basing my argument on behalf of what Nintendo has said in the past and reading from countless of sources from gaming sites and mags. But seriously, that's very hard to believe, even after 6 years.
Are you even listening? I'm saying even if devs are familiar with the tools, IT STILL TAKES TIME TO CREATE A GAME. Tools are one thing, but designing the game mechanics is something else altogether. It's not like the tools give that to you ready-made. They only implement the most common functions that every game uses. Are you really a programmer, or are you just a programming student who wishes he was a programmer? He already said that he is NO PROGRAMMER. Just a wannabe know it all guy who need attention and wish to be noticed.[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"]Surely, it takes a lot of time and talent to make an excellent game, but Wii is based on GC hardware. By this time, devs should at least know the ins and outs of the Wii hardware. And should be able to get the most out of Wii. There's really no excuse. Zaistev_basic
Wii is based on a previous generation hardware. That's practically 6 years of learning the hardware through the same development tools. There's still no excuse for games like MoH Vanguard. And the MoH games have been on the GC platform.
6 years later, devs are still tinkering with coding (depending on game) and familiarity? That's Bull****
I'm no programmer, I'm basing my argument on behalf of what Nintendo has said in the past and reading from countless of sources from gaming sites and mags. But seriously, that's very hard to believe, even after 6 years.
Are you even listening? I'm saying even if devs are familiar with the tools, IT STILL TAKES TIME TO CREATE A GAME. Tools are one thing, but designing the game mechanics is something else altogether. It's not like the tools give that to you ready-made. They only implement the most common functions that every game uses. Are you really a programmer, or are you just a programming student who wishes he was a programmer? He already said that he is NO PROGRAMMER. Just a wannabe know it all guy who need attention and wish to be noticed. I must've read over the "no" part in "I"m no programmer."Please Log In to post.
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