Wii can now be upscaled to HD.

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#1 Posted by AmayaPapaya (9029 posts) -

http://gear.ign.com/articles/107/1079857p1.html

Seems interesting. I'm not sure I'd buy it for 75$ until I see a vid showing a great Difference. We need a Vid.

Summary: Wii can now be upscale to 1080p, 1080i and 720p. It can also be upscaled on a PC monotor too...1280x1024, 1440x900, and 1680x1050.

"Now, it's important to remember that while the VD-W3 can take the Wii's 480p video output and cleanly scale it to large high-definition resolutions, the graphics being produced by the Wii are not actually produced in high-definition. In other words, the VD-W3 will, in theory, improve the appearance of the Wii's video output, but it is still just an interim solution until Nintendo finally makes the leap to HD graphics processing on a new hardware SKU."

So, what do you think?

Sorry if posted already BTW.

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#2 Posted by SRTtoZ (4800 posts) -

It will still be fuzzy because Wii games are deisnged with 480 in mind.

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#3 Posted by Wasdie (53489 posts) -

That's actually a great thing for people with larger HDTVs.

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#4 Posted by chikenfriedrice (13561 posts) -

won't it just make the jaggies even more noticable anyway?

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#5 Posted by hamzah1235 (1189 posts) -

This is only going to make Wii games' texturing appear much lower resolution than it already is...:?

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#6 Posted by AmayaPapaya (9029 posts) -

That's actually a great thing for people with larger HDTVs.

Wasdie

I have an HD TV. I might buy it because Wii games look like crap on it.

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#7 Posted by CwlHeddwyn (5314 posts) -

Wii really needs to go HD.

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#8 Posted by tomarlyn (20148 posts) -
If you have a decent HDTV it should already do this
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#9 Posted by Origami_Kill3r (647 posts) -
dont like upscale lag
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#10 Posted by Meinhard1 (6790 posts) -

Thanks for posting!

I might buy this....

When it comes to my Wii I can live without the HD sharpness but I can't stand all the jaggies that show up on my TV.

Can someone please inform me on what I'd need to actually hook this up to my TV?

Judging by the picture it looks like I just need one of those little adapter things right?

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#11 Posted by ogvampire (8795 posts) -

interesting... yeah, im not sure how it would look though... gotta see it for myself

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#12 Posted by Meinhard1 (6790 posts) -
dont like upscale lagOrigami_Kill3r
Can you confirm that there would actually be lag? Or are you just guessing?
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#13 Posted by DragoonSaber (536 posts) -
when i upscale 720p to 1080p there is no lag.
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#14 Posted by Origami_Kill3r (647 posts) -
[QUOTE="Origami_Kill3r"]dont like upscale lagMeinhard1
Can you confirm that there would actually be lag? Or are you just guessing?

upscaling always causes a lag (however small it might be). To me 75 bucks sounds to cheap for a quick upscaler
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#15 Posted by Sandvichman (4006 posts) -

What, i have to pay 75 dollars to be able to upscale now.

Son, i am dissapoint.

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#16 Posted by Teuf_ (30805 posts) -

Completely and utterly pointless. If your TV actually displays in HD resolution, then it will upscale the Wii's output to that resolution. The only reason you would need this would be for a monitor that doesn't support 640x480, or if your TV's scaler is totally busted. And even in that case...who knows how the good the scaler in this thing actually is.

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#17 Posted by Origami_Kill3r (647 posts) -
when i upscale 720p to 1080p there is no lag.DragoonSaber
Is your tv hd. Most hd tvs support both 720 and 1080p. Also its not as big a diff as upscaling a sd signal
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#18 Posted by Origami_Kill3r (647 posts) -

What, i have to pay 75 dollars to be able to upscale now.

Son, i am dissapoint.

Sandvichman
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#19 Posted by tomarlyn (20148 posts) -
[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

What, i have to pay 75 dollars to be able to upscale now.

Son, i am dissapoint.

Origami_Kill3r

Simon Cowell's put some weight on....
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#20 Posted by Meinhard1 (6790 posts) -

What can people say about the specs?

Here's screenshots too.

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#21 Posted by ZuneHD (491 posts) -

480p is HD.............just not a desirable HD :P

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#22 Posted by Kaeladar (377 posts) -
wait, my TV (or even my PC monitor) upscales the image itself anyway, just like it upscales PS3/360 output to 1080p when it isnt 1080p. so what is it supposed to do exactly, except possibly create more lag than a monitor or TV would ?
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#23 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (29669 posts) -

Why does the Wii NEED HD exactly?

To my knowledge if the Wii would get HD the Games won't change and I highly doubt that Games for the Wii would "MAGICALLY" get better and games would "MAGICALLY" turn from AA to AAA.

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#24 Posted by ronvalencia (25417 posts) -

480p is HD.............just not a desirable HD :P

ZuneHD
Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television 480p is not HD.
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#25 Posted by tomarlyn (20148 posts) -

Why does the Wii NEED HD exactly?

To my knowledge if the Wii would get HD the Games won't change and I highly doubt that Games for the Wii would "MAGICALLY" get better and games would "MAGICALLY" turn from AA to AAA.

LegatoSkyheart
If it really does do a great job improving clarity then it may be worth it. Removing jaggies would be nice.
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#26 Posted by FILIPINOMAZTER (1627 posts) -

480p is HD.............just not a desirable HD :P

ZuneHD
480p is SD
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#27 Posted by Meinhard1 (6790 posts) -
[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Why does the Wii NEED HD exactly?

To my knowledge if the Wii would get HD the Games won't change and I highly doubt that Games for the Wii would "MAGICALLY" get better and games would "MAGICALLY" turn from AA to AAA.

tomarlyn
If it really does do a great job improving clarity then it may be worth it. Removing jaggies would be nice.

My Wii looks really bad on an HDTV. I still use it for the widescreen, nice colors, and double the sharpness but jaggies are everywhere and it's kind of distracting.
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#28 Posted by awssk8er716 (8485 posts) -

I'm fine with the current graphics on my Wii.

Are there any videos of it with this? I'm curious to see what it looks like.

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#29 Posted by gammon56 (779 posts) -
[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Why does the Wii NEED HD exactly?

To my knowledge if the Wii would get HD the Games won't change and I highly doubt that Games for the Wii would "MAGICALLY" get better and games would "MAGICALLY" turn from AA to AAA.

Umm Graphics will not make games play better unless you ask cows.
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#30 Posted by alphamale1989 (3134 posts) -
[QUOTE="gammon56"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Why does the Wii NEED HD exactly?

To my knowledge if the Wii would get HD the Games won't change and I highly doubt that Games for the Wii would "MAGICALLY" get better and games would "MAGICALLY" turn from AA to AAA.

Umm Graphics will not make games play better unless you ask cows.

Jaggies are a pain though, kinda takes you out of the experience. If this gets decent reviews I'm buying it.
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#31 Posted by Teuf_ (30805 posts) -

I'm fine with the current graphics on my Wii.

Are there any videos of it with this? I'm curious to see what it looks like.

awssk8er716



It wouldn't look any better than playing on a decent TV. Like I said all HDTV's upscale to their native res, and any TV that's not a piece of junk will have a decent upscaler.

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#32 Posted by GreyFoXX4 (3612 posts) -

Oh man the hermits should be all over this. 1080p resolution is definitly a selling point to them.;)

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#33 Posted by Videodogg (12611 posts) -

I already upscale my Wii to 720p on my receiver. It is not the same thing as an actual HD game, so dont get your hopes up.

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#34 Posted by Willy105 (24746 posts) -

This is a scam!

Be careful with these things.

You are paying $75 for a thing that does something your TV already does automatically.

You want Wii in HD, wait till next-gen.

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#35 Posted by bizzy420 (2730 posts) -
upscale still isnt hd.
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#36 Posted by Meinhard1 (6790 posts) -

This is a scam!

Be careful with these things.

You are paying $75 for a thing that does something your TV already does automatically.

You want Wii in HD, wait till next-gen.

Willy105
Does every TV do this? What about the TVs that don't display SD well? My TV doesn't upscale or "smooth" the image out, so when I play my Wii I get a really rough image with lots of jaggies. Wouldn't this help?
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#37 Posted by KBFloYd (18887 posts) -

i'll wait for some reviews and screenshots. i might buy it..its pretty cheap.

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#38 Posted by Willy105 (24746 posts) -
[QUOTE="Willy105"]

This is a scam!

Be careful with these things.

You are paying $75 for a thing that does something your TV already does automatically.

You want Wii in HD, wait till next-gen.

Meinhard1
Does every TV do this? What about the TVs that don't display SD well? My TV doesn't upscale or "smooth" the image out, so when I play my Wii I get a really rough image with lots of jaggies. Wouldn't this help?

You still wouldn't need it, unless you want to pay $75 to get guassian blur.
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#39 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22928 posts) -
[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Origami_Kill3r"][QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

What, i have to pay 75 dollars to be able to upscale now.

Son, i am dissapoint.

Simon Cowell's put some weight on....

damn you ...now I can't un-see it
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#40 Posted by Teuf_ (30805 posts) -

Does every TV do this? What about the TVs that don't display SD well? My TV doesn't upscale or "smooth" the image out, so when I play my Wii I get a really rugh image with lots of jaggies. Wouldn't this help?Meinhard1


Any TV is only capable of displaying its native resolution. This means if you have an HDTV and you're watching SD content, that has to get upscaled to the native resolution somehow. Higher end TV's will do a better job of it than cheap TV's, but even the really good ones aren't going to remove the jaggies. The jaggies happen because the game is running at a low resolution, so unless you change that you won't get rid of them.

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#41 Posted by Meinhard1 (6790 posts) -

You still wouldn't need it, unless you want to pay $75 to get guassian blur.Willy105

Hmm ok, I thought it was more sophisticated technology that that. I'll still read the reviews though.

[QUOTE="Meinhard1"]Does every TV do this? What about the TVs that don't display SD well? My TV doesn't upscale or "smooth" the image out, so when I play my Wii I get a really rugh image with lots of jaggies. Wouldn't this help?Teufelhuhn



Any TV is only capable of displaying its native resolution. This means if you have an HDTV and you're watching SD content, that has to get upscaled to the native resolution somehow. Higher end TV's will do a better job of it than cheap TV's, but even the really good ones aren't going to remove the jaggies. The jaggies happen because the game is running at a low resolution, so unless you change that you won't get rid of them.

Some people report that their TVs display Wii games very well. So is it some sort of internal AA device then? Cause I always thought it had to do with the 'upscaler'

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#42 Posted by osan0 (14949 posts) -
not a bad idea for those who have tellies that are crap at upscaling. i wonder if they could have gone a step further though and applied AA to the output from the wii before sending it to the telly. that way jag free games. on a side note...now the wii has HDMI :). well....for an extra 75 quid :S. anywho i wont be buying as im happy with the wii visuals on my telly.
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#43 Posted by rogelio22 (2477 posts) -
[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

I'm fine with the current graphics on my Wii.

Are there any videos of it with this? I'm curious to see what it looks like.



It wouldn't look any better than playing on a decent TV. Like I said all HDTV's upscale to their native res, and any TV that's not a piece of junk will have a decent upscaler.

^^^this^^^ tvs always do a better job upscaling than any hardware (360) or softtware (PS3)! i will always play a game in its "native" resolution because thats how it will look best! upscaling just brings more blurriness to your tv
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#44 Posted by painguy1 (8686 posts) -

Completely and utterly pointless. If your TV actually displays in HD resolution, then it will upscale the Wii's output to that resolution. The only reason you would need this would be for a monitor that doesn't support 640x480, or if your TV's scaler is totally busted. And even in that case...who knows how the good the scaler in this thing actually is.

Teufelhuhn

some TV upscalers arent that great though, but i do agree this cable is junk. It would be better to just by a Audio/Video reciever.

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#45 Posted by Teuf_ (30805 posts) -

Some people report that their TVs display Wii games very well. So is it some sort of internal AA device then? Cause I always thought it had to do with the 'upscaler'

Meinhard1



There's no internal AA device, or anything like that. Like I said, some TV's are better than others. It's also impossible to account for personal opinion in something like this...what one person calls "very well" another person might call "crap".

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#46 Posted by forza420 (1225 posts) -

umm.....no thanx :?

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#47 Posted by Teuf_ (30805 posts) -

i wonder if they could have gone a step further though and applied AA to the output from the wii before sending it to the telly.osan0


Your regular multisample AA is a process that occurs as the triangles are rendered, which means you can't apply it afterwards as a post-process. Certain forms of post-process AA are becoming popular, and have produced good results in games like God of War III. But there's 3 problems with that:

1. You typically don't want it applied to the final image, but instead you'll apply it to the 3D geometry before the HUD elements are drawn on top
2. A lot of times these algorithms use depth or normal information from buffers in video memory...a device like this wouldn't have access to that information.
3. It takes a tremendous amount of processing power do it. Not really practical for a little box that sits in between your console and your TV.

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#48 Posted by awssk8er716 (8485 posts) -

[QUOTE="awssk8er716"]

I'm fine with the current graphics on my Wii.

Are there any videos of it with this? I'm curious to see what it looks like.

Teufelhuhn



It wouldn't look any better than playing on a decent TV. Like I said all HDTV's upscale to their native res, and any TV that's not a piece of junk will have a decent upscaler.

Yeah, I kind of figured it would. I've seen videos of Super Mario Bros. Wii run on an emulator, with a higher resolution, and it looks much better.

It wouldn't be worth $75 though.

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#49 Posted by Zanoh (6942 posts) -

I'll pass.

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#50 Posted by 789shadow (20195 posts) -

Can't say I care.