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#1 DrPepper1998
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I recently had an email sent about what Sony has done, and all the information is true, with backed up information. heres what it said:

OK, Sony has a bad history, and is not a company you want to support.

(These things are not in chronological order)

First, we have the Sony laptop batteries. You can read he FULL article here
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/online/insideit/story/0,,1861273,00.html
So Apple, Dell, Gateway, and a few other laptop brands signed on to support Sony batteries. Keep in mind that this was a year or two ago. Sony claimed that the problem was because of charging problems in Dell laptops, but that myth was busted after there were problems in Apple laptops, and Sony Vaio laptops. So the next thing that Sony went with was some issue about metal particles getting in the battery during production, and that it was impossible to fully remove them. The problem with that, is: Why havent Cell phone batterys had that problem before? Well the truth of the matter was that Sony didnt do their research. Heres what really happened:

Now in a normal Lithium Ion battery, there is the Lithium anode, and which gives it the "Lithium" part of the name. The electrolyte can be many different "Ions" The most commonly used, is Cobalt Oxide.The problem with Cobalt Oxide, is that it decays (not like α decay) at about 110 degrees Fahrenheit. By decay, I mean releases Oxygen. Oxygen is a gas, so when released, it can make its way into the anode. The anode in Lithium Ion batteries is Lithium. Now when you get Oxygen with Lithium, The Lithium catches on fire. Fire means heat, which means more oxygen released, which in turn means more fire until the electrolyte runs out of Oxygen. By then, the fire can freely access the Oxygen from the outside air, and there is fire until the Lithium is done burning. Now Sony claims that it was because of small particles getting in the battery. The problems with that, is that first, Sony was lying. Second, The "small particles" have been in Lithium ion batteries for a long time, and are supposedly impossible to completely remove during production. Finally, this problem has been seen most in Dell laptops. Dell is famous for putting desktop CPUs in laptops. Desktop CPUs generate more heat than Laptop CPUs, and are more likely to reach the 110 degree danger zone. Now you might say from all of this, what could Sony do? The answer is simple; use a different electrolyte. There is a manganese ion that has a decay temperature around 130 - 160 degrees. That's safer, and a lot less fires would happen. It would definitely be favorable. However, there is Iron Phosphate (FePO4) which decays at around 1,300 degrees. That temperature is way out of the danger zone, and is definitely better than the manganese compound or the Cobalt compound.

Next thing is the root kit scandal. You can read the article on it...
http://www.indicare.org/tiki-read_ar...?articleId=165
But in short, Sony pretty much protected their Music Cd's so it disabled your media player, and protected itself so it couldn't be copied or anything. This was no simple "ha ha funny Sony, time to remove your software" No! This was serious stuff. As soon as you hit that "I agree" It goes on your computer, and you will have a fun time getting it off. It did say that the music would do stuff, but it didn't use terms like "root kit" and the descriptions of what it would do were not clear at all. They were trying to evade you from thinking there was a root kit. So basically what it did, is hard code itself into your OS, and it would boot up when you start your computer, and (I think) would even start in safe mode. The worst parts about this was that since it was in the license agreement, it couldn't arouse your antivirus software. It in fact would attempt to kill it if you tried to crack the music. It was even a hidden process, so it was really hard to be noticed. If you even tried to crack the music, it would collect personal info, disable antivirus software, and allow other viruses to come into your computer. It was not something to toy with. So why did Sony do this? They said "Most people, I think, don’t even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?" Thats like saying She doesnt know what syphilis is, so I will still have unprotected sex, and transmit it. Its taking advantage of people, and is evil.

This next thing speaks for itself. Its very saddening to read, but here it is:
http://www.lik-sang.com/
oh, and Sony wasnt playing around with suing lik sang...
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.?aid=20489
Basically, no importing Sony products, or else you get sued. The only place where you can even get Sony products, is USA, Japan, and Europe. Lik sang was helping out Sony, and what does Sony do? they back stab and sue, because all they want is money. They know that they arent coing to make very much off of the PS3/PSP, so the way to get the most money out of it, is to sue lik sang, and pull a few hundred million dollars out of them, and they are set. That's more money than they would have made in PS3/PSP profits from sales to Lik sang. And you better believe that they pulled a lot of money out of Lik sang, seeing how they got themselves out of the battery incident, and the root kit scandal.

By now, you have probably read tons about PSP modding, and homebrew. What you might not know, is that the homebrew is the main thing keeping the PSP alive. The PSP has failed in terms of sales. The DS has sold many more units than the PSP, and has sold more ever since they released the DS lite. Its almost like 2 releases for 1 system. Not a bad business strategy if you ask me. Not a very nice one either but its not like you have to buy 2. Anyways, back to the PSP, about 75% of people who own one use homebrew which is technically "illegal" according to Sony. They are in fact, trying to get rid of it, when it is the only thing keeping it alive. The reason they do this, is again money. Homebrew isn't boosting sales, and with all the Nintendo emulators, its not helping Sony's image. It in fact is promoting a lot of things that would cause Sony to lose money, and you know by know that they don't like that.

Now they got this new thing called the PS3. Now you might ask whats wrong with releasing a system. You probably know that there are a lot of things wrong with it. But to set things straight, the PS3 is not more powerful than the 360. You can read up on it here. (its 11 pages of advanced computer information, beware!)
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1
and all this mess over Blu-ray vs HD-DVD, They are competing formats. One is Sony's, and one is Microsoft's. I would not recommend investing in Blu-Ray. Sony did the Betamax, ever remember that? Not very well, because the format failed. Ever heard of minidisc? neither have I, but I heard that it failed. Moving right along to UMD, a more recent format, which still failed miserably. UMD however had "failure" written all over it. Buying a PS3 for the Blu-Ray player, is like buying a PSP for a UMD player, or buying a PS2 for a DVD player. Don't invest your money into a format that will most likely fail. Even so, its supporting a bad company.

So, is this a company you want to support? after all of this? I mean, they were on top for a while. They did have some decent products. But now, They are nothing but money hungry jerks. They are not what they used to be, and they just seem to be going downhill. We would be at no loss if Sony died. We have Samsung, and Philips for TVs, and DVD players. We have JBL, and Bose if you like speakers. If your not smart enough to butil your own computer, you can get Gateway, Dell, or HP. Everything I have seen from Sony, is an overly expensive product that looks good, but is overpriced, and performs like crap. Sony's time is up. Nobody stays on top forever. Its time Sony goes out of business. Now all that needs to be done, is to let the voice be heard. Just email this to your friends, so they will know the truth about Sony.
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Gotta keep bumping since it takes so long to read.
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Trust me every major global company has skeleton in their closet.
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So in conclusion, support the monopolizing company with no distinction between good ethics and bad ethics? Don't make me start about stolen software.
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All the big companies have made HUGE mistakes. If you really want to boycott something worthwhile, boycott all three, or you have no room to talk.
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[QUOTE="DrPepper1998"]I recently had an email sent about what Sony has done, and all the information is true, with backed up information. heres what it said:

OK, Sony has a bad history, and is not a company you want to support.

(These things are not in chronological order)

First, we have the Sony laptop batteries. You can read he FULL article here
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/online/insideit/story/0,,1861273,00.html
So Apple, Dell, Gateway, and a few other laptop brands signed on to support Sony batteries. Keep in mind that this was a year or two ago. Sony claimed that the problem was because of charging problems in Dell laptops, but that myth was busted after there were problems in Apple laptops, and Sony Vaio laptops. So the next thing that Sony went with was some issue about metal particles getting in the battery during production, and that it was impossible to fully remove them. The problem with that, is: Why havent Cell phone batterys had that problem before? Well the truth of the matter was that Sony didnt do their research. Heres what really happened:

Now in a normal Lithium Ion battery, there is the Lithium anode, and which gives it the "Lithium" part of the name. The electrolyte can be many different "Ions" The most commonly used, is Cobalt Oxide.The problem with Cobalt Oxide, is that it decays (not like α decay) at about 110 degrees Fahrenheit. By decay, I mean releases Oxygen. Oxygen is a gas, so when released, it can make its way into the anode. The anode in Lithium Ion batteries is Lithium. Now when you get Oxygen with Lithium, The Lithium catches on fire. Fire means heat, which means more oxygen released, which in turn means more fire until the electrolyte runs out of Oxygen. By then, the fire can freely access the Oxygen from the outside air, and there is fire until the Lithium is done burning. Now Sony claims that it was because of small particles getting in the battery. The problems with that, is that first, Sony was lying. Second, The "small particles" have been in Lithium ion batteries for a long time, and are supposedly impossible to completely remove during production. Finally, this problem has been seen most in Dell laptops. Dell is famous for putting desktop CPUs in laptops. Desktop CPUs generate more heat than Laptop CPUs, and are more likely to reach the 110 degree danger zone. Now you might say from all of this, what could Sony do? The answer is simple; use a different electrolyte. There is a manganese ion that has a decay temperature around 130 - 160 degrees. That's safer, and a lot less fires would happen. It would definitely be favorable. However, there is Iron Phosphate (FePO4) which decays at around 1,300 degrees. That temperature is way out of the danger zone, and is definitely better than the manganese compound or the Cobalt compound.

Next thing is the root kit scandal. You can read the article on it...
http://www.indicare.org/tiki-read_ar...?articleId=165
But in short, Sony pretty much protected their Music Cd's so it disabled your media player, and protected itself so it couldn't be copied or anything. This was no simple "ha ha funny Sony, time to remove your software" No! This was serious stuff. As soon as you hit that "I agree" It goes on your computer, and you will have a fun time getting it off. It did say that the music would do stuff, but it didn't use terms like "root kit" and the descriptions of what it would do were not clear at all. They were trying to evade you from thinking there was a root kit. So basically what it did, is hard code itself into your OS, and it would boot up when you start your computer, and (I think) would even start in safe mode. The worst parts about this was that since it was in the license agreement, it couldn't arouse your antivirus software. It in fact would attempt to kill it if you tried to crack the music. It was even a hidden process, so it was really hard to be noticed. If you even tried to crack the music, it would collect personal info, disable antivirus software, and allow other viruses to come into your computer. It was not something to toy with. So why did Sony do this? They said "Most people, I think, don’t even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?" Thats like saying She doesnt know what syphilis is, so I will still have unprotected sex, and transmit it. Its taking advantage of people, and is evil.

This next thing speaks for itself. Its very saddening to read, but here it is:
http://www.lik-sang.com/
oh, and Sony wasnt playing around with suing lik sang...
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.?aid=20489
Basically, no importing Sony products, or else you get sued. The only place where you can even get Sony products, is USA, Japan, and Europe. Lik sang was helping out Sony, and what does Sony do? they back stab and sue, because all they want is money. They know that they arent coing to make very much off of the PS3/PSP, so the way to get the most money out of it, is to sue lik sang, and pull a few hundred million dollars out of them, and they are set. That's more money than they would have made in PS3/PSP profits from sales to Lik sang. And you better believe that they pulled a lot of money out of Lik sang, seeing how they got themselves out of the battery incident, and the root kit scandal.

By now, you have probably read tons about PSP modding, and homebrew. What you might not know, is that the homebrew is the main thing keeping the PSP alive. The PSP has failed in terms of sales. The DS has sold many more units than the PSP, and has sold more ever since they released the DS lite. Its almost like 2 releases for 1 system. Not a bad business strategy if you ask me. Not a very nice one either but its not like you have to buy 2. Anyways, back to the PSP, about 75% of people who own one use homebrew which is technically "illegal" according to Sony. They are in fact, trying to get rid of it, when it is the only thing keeping it alive. The reason they do this, is again money. Homebrew isn't boosting sales, and with all the Nintendo emulators, its not helping Sony's image. It in fact is promoting a lot of things that would cause Sony to lose money, and you know by know that they don't like that.

Now they got this new thing called the PS3. Now you might ask whats wrong with releasing a system. You probably know that there are a lot of things wrong with it. But to set things straight, the PS3 is not more powerful than the 360. You can read up on it here. (its 11 pages of advanced computer information, beware!)
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1
and all this mess over Blu-ray vs HD-DVD, They are competing formats. One is Sony's, and one is Microsoft's. I would not recommend investing in Blu-Ray. Sony did the Betamax, ever remember that? Not very well, because the format failed. Ever heard of minidisc? neither have I, but I heard that it failed. Moving right along to UMD, a more recent format, which still failed miserably. UMD however had "failure" written all over it. Buying a PS3 for the Blu-Ray player, is like buying a PSP for a UMD player, or buying a PS2 for a DVD player. Don't invest your money into a format that will most likely fail. Even so, its supporting a bad company.

So, is this a company you want to support? after all of this? I mean, they were on top for a while. They did have some decent products. But now, They are nothing but money hungry jerks. They are not what they used to be, and they just seem to be going downhill. We would be at no loss if Sony died. We have Samsung, and Philips for TVs, and DVD players. We have JBL, and Bose if you like speakers. If your not smart enough to butil your own computer, you can get Gateway, Dell, or HP. Everything I have seen from Sony, is an overly expensive product that looks good, but is overpriced, and performs like crap. Sony's time is up. Nobody stays on top forever. Its time Sony goes out of business. Now all that needs to be done, is to let the voice be heard. Just email this to your friends, so they will know the truth about Sony.
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Take a look into Microsoft legal past, and it will make Sony look like saints.
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Hey, TC.

You better get ready to go live in the mountains or something, 'cause there are a lot more companies YOU NEED TO BAN with your logic.

Don't by a MICROSOFT Xbox or 360 either...son, you got a lot to learn.

If you are into this stuff so much, STOP PLAYING GAMES, and go do something more worthwhile, because this is just a poor logic filled thread.

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[QUOTE="DrPepper1998"][QUOTE="DrPepper1998"]I recently had an email sent about what Sony has done, and all the information is true, with backed up information. heres what it said:

OK, Sony has a bad history, and is not a company you want to support.

(These things are not in chronological order)

First, we have the Sony laptop batteries. You can read he FULL article here
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/online/insideit/story/0,,1861273,00.html
So Apple, Dell, Gateway, and a few other laptop brands signed on to support Sony batteries. Keep in mind that this was a year or two ago. Sony claimed that the problem was because of charging problems in Dell laptops, but that myth was busted after there were problems in Apple laptops, and Sony Vaio laptops. So the next thing that Sony went with was some issue about metal particles getting in the battery during production, and that it was impossible to fully remove them. The problem with that, is: Why havent Cell phone batterys had that problem before? Well the truth of the matter was that Sony didnt do their research. Heres what really happened:

Now in a normal Lithium Ion battery, there is the Lithium anode, and which gives it the "Lithium" part of the name. The electrolyte can be many different "Ions" The most commonly used, is Cobalt Oxide.The problem with Cobalt Oxide, is that it decays (not like α decay) at about 110 degrees Fahrenheit. By decay, I mean releases Oxygen. Oxygen is a gas, so when released, it can make its way into the anode. The anode in Lithium Ion batteries is Lithium. Now when you get Oxygen with Lithium, The Lithium catches on fire. Fire means heat, which means more oxygen released, which in turn means more fire until the electrolyte runs out of Oxygen. By then, the fire can freely access the Oxygen from the outside air, and there is fire until the Lithium is done burning. Now Sony claims that it was because of small particles getting in the battery. The problems with that, is that first, Sony was lying. Second, The "small particles" have been in Lithium ion batteries for a long time, and are supposedly impossible to completely remove during production. Finally, this problem has been seen most in Dell laptops. Dell is famous for putting desktop CPUs in laptops. Desktop CPUs generate more heat than Laptop CPUs, and are more likely to reach the 110 degree danger zone. Now you might say from all of this, what could Sony do? The answer is simple; use a different electrolyte. There is a manganese ion that has a decay temperature around 130 - 160 degrees. That's safer, and a lot less fires would happen. It would definitely be favorable. However, there is Iron Phosphate (FePO4) which decays at around 1,300 degrees. That temperature is way out of the danger zone, and is definitely better than the manganese compound or the Cobalt compound.

Next thing is the root kit scandal. You can read the article on it...
http://www.indicare.org/tiki-read_ar...?articleId=165
But in short, Sony pretty much protected their Music Cd's so it disabled your media player, and protected itself so it couldn't be copied or anything. This was no simple "ha ha funny Sony, time to remove your software" No! This was serious stuff. As soon as you hit that "I agree" It goes on your computer, and you will have a fun time getting it off. It did say that the music would do stuff, but it didn't use terms like "root kit" and the descriptions of what it would do were not clear at all. They were trying to evade you from thinking there was a root kit. So basically what it did, is hard code itself into your OS, and it would boot up when you start your computer, and (I think) would even start in safe mode. The worst parts about this was that since it was in the license agreement, it couldn't arouse your antivirus software. It in fact would attempt to kill it if you tried to crack the music. It was even a hidden process, so it was really hard to be noticed. If you even tried to crack the music, it would collect personal info, disable antivirus software, and allow other viruses to come into your computer. It was not something to toy with. So why did Sony do this? They said "Most people, I think, don’t even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?" Thats like saying She doesnt know what syphilis is, so I will still have unprotected sex, and transmit it. Its taking advantage of people, and is evil.

This next thing speaks for itself. Its very saddening to read, but here it is:
http://www.lik-sang.com/
oh, and Sony wasnt playing around with suing lik sang...
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.?aid=20489
Basically, no importing Sony products, or else you get sued. The only place where you can even get Sony products, is USA, Japan, and Europe. Lik sang was helping out Sony, and what does Sony do? they back stab and sue, because all they want is money. They know that they arent coing to make very much off of the PS3/PSP, so the way to get the most money out of it, is to sue lik sang, and pull a few hundred million dollars out of them, and they are set. That's more money than they would have made in PS3/PSP profits from sales to Lik sang. And you better believe that they pulled a lot of money out of Lik sang, seeing how they got themselves out of the battery incident, and the root kit scandal.

By now, you have probably read tons about PSP modding, and homebrew. What you might not know, is that the homebrew is the main thing keeping the PSP alive. The PSP has failed in terms of sales. The DS has sold many more units than the PSP, and has sold more ever since they released the DS lite. Its almost like 2 releases for 1 system. Not a bad business strategy if you ask me. Not a very nice one either but its not like you have to buy 2. Anyways, back to the PSP, about 75% of people who own one use homebrew which is technically "illegal" according to Sony. They are in fact, trying to get rid of it, when it is the only thing keeping it alive. The reason they do this, is again money. Homebrew isn't boosting sales, and with all the Nintendo emulators, its not helping Sony's image. It in fact is promoting a lot of things that would cause Sony to lose money, and you know by know that they don't like that.

Now they got this new thing called the PS3. Now you might ask whats wrong with releasing a system. You probably know that there are a lot of things wrong with it. But to set things straight, the PS3 is not more powerful than the 360. You can read up on it here. (its 11 pages of advanced computer information, beware!)
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1
and all this mess over Blu-ray vs HD-DVD, They are competing formats. One is Sony's, and one is Microsoft's. I would not recommend investing in Blu-Ray. Sony did the Betamax, ever remember that? Not very well, because the format failed. Ever heard of minidisc? neither have I, but I heard that it failed. Moving right along to UMD, a more recent format, which still failed miserably. UMD however had "failure" written all over it. Buying a PS3 for the Blu-Ray player, is like buying a PSP for a UMD player, or buying a PS2 for a DVD player. Don't invest your money into a format that will most likely fail. Even so, its supporting a bad company.

So, is this a company you want to support? after all of this? I mean, they were on top for a while. They did have some decent products. But now, They are nothing but money hungry jerks. They are not what they used to be, and they just seem to be going downhill. We would be at no loss if Sony died. We have Samsung, and Philips for TVs, and DVD players. We have JBL, and Bose if you like speakers. If your not smart enough to butil your own computer, you can get Gateway, Dell, or HP. Everything I have seen from Sony, is an overly expensive product that looks good, but is overpriced, and performs like crap. Sony's time is up. Nobody stays on top forever. Its time Sony goes out of business. Now all that needs to be done, is to let the voice be heard. Just email this to your friends, so they will know the truth about Sony.
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Take a look into Microsoft legal past, and it will make Sony look like saints.

Thank you so much, This DrPepper guy doesn't seem to understand.
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[QUOTE="marvelfan"][QUOTE="DrPepper1998"][QUOTE="DrPepper1998"]I recently had an email sent about what Sony has done, and all the information is true, with backed up information. heres what it said:

OK, Sony has a bad history, and is not a company you want to support.

(These things are not in chronological order)

First, we have the Sony laptop batteries. You can read he FULL article here
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/online/insideit/story/0,,1861273,00.html
So Apple, Dell, Gateway, and a few other laptop brands signed on to support Sony batteries. Keep in mind that this was a year or two ago. Sony claimed that the problem was because of charging problems in Dell laptops, but that myth was busted after there were problems in Apple laptops, and Sony Vaio laptops. So the next thing that Sony went with was some issue about metal particles getting in the battery during production, and that it was impossible to fully remove them. The problem with that, is: Why havent Cell phone batterys had that problem before? Well the truth of the matter was that Sony didnt do their research. Heres what really happened:

Now in a normal Lithium Ion battery, there is the Lithium anode, and which gives it the "Lithium" part of the name. The electrolyte can be many different "Ions" The most commonly used, is Cobalt Oxide.The problem with Cobalt Oxide, is that it decays (not like α decay) at about 110 degrees Fahrenheit. By decay, I mean releases Oxygen. Oxygen is a gas, so when released, it can make its way into the anode. The anode in Lithium Ion batteries is Lithium. Now when you get Oxygen with Lithium, The Lithium catches on fire. Fire means heat, which means more oxygen released, which in turn means more fire until the electrolyte runs out of Oxygen. By then, the fire can freely access the Oxygen from the outside air, and there is fire until the Lithium is done burning. Now Sony claims that it was because of small particles getting in the battery. The problems with that, is that first, Sony was lying. Second, The "small particles" have been in Lithium ion batteries for a long time, and are supposedly impossible to completely remove during production. Finally, this problem has been seen most in Dell laptops. Dell is famous for putting desktop CPUs in laptops. Desktop CPUs generate more heat than Laptop CPUs, and are more likely to reach the 110 degree danger zone. Now you might say from all of this, what could Sony do? The answer is simple; use a different electrolyte. There is a manganese ion that has a decay temperature around 130 - 160 degrees. That's safer, and a lot less fires would happen. It would definitely be favorable. However, there is Iron Phosphate (FePO4) which decays at around 1,300 degrees. That temperature is way out of the danger zone, and is definitely better than the manganese compound or the Cobalt compound.

Next thing is the root kit scandal. You can read the article on it...
http://www.indicare.org/tiki-read_ar...?articleId=165
But in short, Sony pretty much protected their Music Cd's so it disabled your media player, and protected itself so it couldn't be copied or anything. This was no simple "ha ha funny Sony, time to remove your software" No! This was serious stuff. As soon as you hit that "I agree" It goes on your computer, and you will have a fun time getting it off. It did say that the music would do stuff, but it didn't use terms like "root kit" and the descriptions of what it would do were not clear at all. They were trying to evade you from thinking there was a root kit. So basically what it did, is hard code itself into your OS, and it would boot up when you start your computer, and (I think) would even start in safe mode. The worst parts about this was that since it was in the license agreement, it couldn't arouse your antivirus software. It in fact would attempt to kill it if you tried to crack the music. It was even a hidden process, so it was really hard to be noticed. If you even tried to crack the music, it would collect personal info, disable antivirus software, and allow other viruses to come into your computer. It was not something to toy with. So why did Sony do this? They said "Most people, I think, don’t even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?" Thats like saying She doesnt know what syphilis is, so I will still have unprotected sex, and transmit it. Its taking advantage of people, and is evil.

This next thing speaks for itself. Its very saddening to read, but here it is:
http://www.lik-sang.com/
oh, and Sony wasnt playing around with suing lik sang...
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.?aid=20489
Basically, no importing Sony products, or else you get sued. The only place where you can even get Sony products, is USA, Japan, and Europe. Lik sang was helping out Sony, and what does Sony do? they back stab and sue, because all they want is money. They know that they arent coing to make very much off of the PS3/PSP, so the way to get the most money out of it, is to sue lik sang, and pull a few hundred million dollars out of them, and they are set. That's more money than they would have made in PS3/PSP profits from sales to Lik sang. And you better believe that they pulled a lot of money out of Lik sang, seeing how they got themselves out of the battery incident, and the root kit scandal.

By now, you have probably read tons about PSP modding, and homebrew. What you might not know, is that the homebrew is the main thing keeping the PSP alive. The PSP has failed in terms of sales. The DS has sold many more units than the PSP, and has sold more ever since they released the DS lite. Its almost like 2 releases for 1 system. Not a bad business strategy if you ask me. Not a very nice one either but its not like you have to buy 2. Anyways, back to the PSP, about 75% of people who own one use homebrew which is technically "illegal" according to Sony. They are in fact, trying to get rid of it, when it is the only thing keeping it alive. The reason they do this, is again money. Homebrew isn't boosting sales, and with all the Nintendo emulators, its not helping Sony's image. It in fact is promoting a lot of things that would cause Sony to lose money, and you know by know that they don't like that.

Now they got this new thing called the PS3. Now you might ask whats wrong with releasing a system. You probably know that there are a lot of things wrong with it. But to set things straight, the PS3 is not more powerful than the 360. You can read up on it here. (its 11 pages of advanced computer information, beware!)
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1
and all this mess over Blu-ray vs HD-DVD, They are competing formats. One is Sony's, and one is Microsoft's. I would not recommend investing in Blu-Ray. Sony did the Betamax, ever remember that? Not very well, because the format failed. Ever heard of minidisc? neither have I, but I heard that it failed. Moving right along to UMD, a more recent format, which still failed miserably. UMD however had "failure" written all over it. Buying a PS3 for the Blu-Ray player, is like buying a PSP for a UMD player, or buying a PS2 for a DVD player. Don't invest your money into a format that will most likely fail. Even so, its supporting a bad company.

So, is this a company you want to support? after all of this? I mean, they were on top for a while. They did have some decent products. But now, They are nothing but money hungry jerks. They are not what they used to be, and they just seem to be going downhill. We would be at no loss if Sony died. We have Samsung, and Philips for TVs, and DVD players. We have JBL, and Bose if you like speakers. If your not smart enough to butil your own computer, you can get Gateway, Dell, or HP. Everything I have seen from Sony, is an overly expensive product that looks good, but is overpriced, and performs like crap. Sony's time is up. Nobody stays on top forever. Its time Sony goes out of business. Now all that needs to be done, is to let the voice be heard. Just email this to your friends, so they will know the truth about Sony.
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Take a look into Microsoft legal past, and it will make Sony look like saints.

Thank you so much, This DrPepper guy doesn't seem to understand.

It clearly says I recieved this in an email, I did not write it.
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#11 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"][QUOTE="marvelfan"]
Take a look into Microsoft legal past, and it will make Sony look like saints.
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Thank you so much, This DrPepper guy doesn't seem to understand.

It clearly says I recieved this in an email, I did not write it.

BUT You didn't think of that either.

That's the point. You read that email, one that we all get from time to time, and instead of thinking, "Ha, you think that's bad, this guy hasn't apparently heard of M$!".

No, you posted it  here instead.

Don't you know that Emails like that are just FUD's?

And you fell for it...and now you know.

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#12 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="DrPepper1998"]
OK, Sony has a bad history, and is not a company you want to support.

marvelfan
Take a look into Microsoft legal past, and it will make Sony look like saints.

EXACTLY.

I like M$, Sony and Nintendo for ENTERTAINING ME with games, nothing more, videogames are not SERIOUS Business, otherwise I wouldn't never have bought an Xbox when it first came out.

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[QUOTE="DrPepper1998"]I recently had an email sent about what Sony has done, and all the information is true, with backed up information. heres what it said:

OK, Sony has a bad history, and is not a company you want to support.

(These things are not in chronological order)

First, we have the Sony laptop batteries. You can read he FULL article here
http://technology.guardian.co.uk/online/insideit/story/0,,1861273,00.html
So Apple, Dell, Gateway, and a few other laptop brands signed on to support Sony batteries. Keep in mind that this was a year or two ago. Sony claimed that the problem was because of charging problems in Dell laptops, but that myth was busted after there were problems in Apple laptops, and Sony Vaio laptops. So the next thing that Sony went with was some issue about metal particles getting in the battery during production, and that it was impossible to fully remove them. The problem with that, is: Why havent Cell phone batterys had that problem before? Well the truth of the matter was that Sony didnt do their research. Heres what really happened:

Now in a normal Lithium Ion battery, there is the Lithium anode, and which gives it the "Lithium" part of the name. The electrolyte can be many different "Ions" The most commonly used, is Cobalt Oxide.The problem with Cobalt Oxide, is that it decays (not like α decay) at about 110 degrees Fahrenheit. By decay, I mean releases Oxygen. Oxygen is a gas, so when released, it can make its way into the anode. The anode in Lithium Ion batteries is Lithium. Now when you get Oxygen with Lithium, The Lithium catches on fire. Fire means heat, which means more oxygen released, which in turn means more fire until the electrolyte runs out of Oxygen. By then, the fire can freely access the Oxygen from the outside air, and there is fire until the Lithium is done burning. Now Sony claims that it was because of small particles getting in the battery. The problems with that, is that first, Sony was lying. Second, The "small particles" have been in Lithium ion batteries for a long time, and are supposedly impossible to completely remove during production. Finally, this problem has been seen most in Dell laptops. Dell is famous for putting desktop CPUs in laptops. Desktop CPUs generate more heat than Laptop CPUs, and are more likely to reach the 110 degree danger zone. Now you might say from all of this, what could Sony do? The answer is simple; use a different electrolyte. There is a manganese ion that has a decay temperature around 130 - 160 degrees. That's safer, and a lot less fires would happen. It would definitely be favorable. However, there is Iron Phosphate (FePO4) which decays at around 1,300 degrees. That temperature is way out of the danger zone, and is definitely better than the manganese compound or the Cobalt compound.

Next thing is the root kit scandal. You can read the article on it...
http://www.indicare.org/tiki-read_ar...?articleId=165
But in short, Sony pretty much protected their Music Cd's so it disabled your media player, and protected itself so it couldn't be copied or anything. This was no simple "ha ha funny Sony, time to remove your software" No! This was serious stuff. As soon as you hit that "I agree" It goes on your computer, and you will have a fun time getting it off. It did say that the music would do stuff, but it didn't use terms like "root kit" and the descriptions of what it would do were not clear at all. They were trying to evade you from thinking there was a root kit. So basically what it did, is hard code itself into your OS, and it would boot up when you start your computer, and (I think) would even start in safe mode. The worst parts about this was that since it was in the license agreement, it couldn't arouse your antivirus software. It in fact would attempt to kill it if you tried to crack the music. It was even a hidden process, so it was really hard to be noticed. If you even tried to crack the music, it would collect personal info, disable antivirus software, and allow other viruses to come into your computer. It was not something to toy with. So why did Sony do this? They said "Most people, I think, don’t even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?" Thats like saying She doesnt know what syphilis is, so I will still have unprotected sex, and transmit it. Its taking advantage of people, and is evil.

This next thing speaks for itself. Its very saddening to read, but here it is:
http://www.lik-sang.com/
oh, and Sony wasnt playing around with suing lik sang...
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.?aid=20489
Basically, no importing Sony products, or else you get sued. The only place where you can even get Sony products, is USA, Japan, and Europe. Lik sang was helping out Sony, and what does Sony do? they back stab and sue, because all they want is money. They know that they arent coing to make very much off of the PS3/PSP, so the way to get the most money out of it, is to sue lik sang, and pull a few hundred million dollars out of them, and they are set. That's more money than they would have made in PS3/PSP profits from sales to Lik sang. And you better believe that they pulled a lot of money out of Lik sang, seeing how they got themselves out of the battery incident, and the root kit scandal.

By now, you have probably read tons about PSP modding, and homebrew. What you might not know, is that the homebrew is the main thing keeping the PSP alive. The PSP has failed in terms of sales. The DS has sold many more units than the PSP, and has sold more ever since they released the DS lite. Its almost like 2 releases for 1 system. Not a bad business strategy if you ask me. Not a very nice one either but its not like you have to buy 2. Anyways, back to the PSP, about 75% of people who own one use homebrew which is technically "illegal" according to Sony. They are in fact, trying to get rid of it, when it is the only thing keeping it alive. The reason they do this, is again money. Homebrew isn't boosting sales, and with all the Nintendo emulators, its not helping Sony's image. It in fact is promoting a lot of things that would cause Sony to lose money, and you know by know that they don't like that.

Now they got this new thing called the PS3. Now you might ask whats wrong with releasing a system. You probably know that there are a lot of things wrong with it. But to set things straight, the PS3 is not more powerful than the 360. You can read up on it here. (its 11 pages of advanced computer information, beware!)
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1
and all this mess over Blu-ray vs HD-DVD, They are competing formats. One is Sony's, and one is Microsoft's. I would not recommend investing in Blu-Ray. Sony did the Betamax, ever remember that? Not very well, because the format failed. Ever heard of minidisc? neither have I, but I heard that it failed. Moving right along to UMD, a more recent format, which still failed miserably. UMD however had "failure" written all over it. Buying a PS3 for the Blu-Ray player, is like buying a PSP for a UMD player, or buying a PS2 for a DVD player. Don't invest your money into a format that will most likely fail. Even so, its supporting a bad company.

So, is this a company you want to support? after all of this? I mean, they were on top for a while. They did have some decent products. But now, They are nothing but money hungry jerks. They are not what they used to be, and they just seem to be going downhill. We would be at no loss if Sony died. We have Samsung, and Philips for TVs, and DVD players. We have JBL, and Bose if you like speakers. If your not smart enough to butil your own computer, you can get Gateway, Dell, or HP. Everything I have seen from Sony, is an overly expensive product that looks good, but is overpriced, and performs like crap. Sony's time is up. Nobody stays on top forever. Its time Sony goes out of business. Now all that needs to be done, is to let the voice be heard. Just email this to your friends, so they will know the truth about Sony.
DrPepper1998
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tooo much writing!!!!!! brain overload!!!!!!!!!!!!! but i agree i dont like sony ps3"S!
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#14 DrPepper1998
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[QUOTE="marvelfan"][QUOTE="DrPepper1998"]
OK, Sony has a bad history, and is not a company you want to support.

SolidTy

Take a look into Microsoft legal past, and it will make Sony look like saints.

EXACTLY.

I like M$, Sony and Nintendo for ENTERTAINING ME with games, nothing more, videogames are not SERIOUS Business, otherwise I wouldn't never have bought an Xbox when it first came out.

Really I posted this email because my computer got hit so hard by the root kit scandal, computers at that time were extremely sucseptible to just about anything and I wasn't the tech wiz I [think] I am today, so I ended up losing a computer.
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This guy has no idea what he's talking about:)
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Don't buy an Xbox either because the only "good game" (even though it sucks balls compared to what it could have been) was stolen from PC...Halo.  If it weren't for Halo the Xbox would have been fodder.  So M$ stole it from the PC and made an entire army of Xbox haters in the process.
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This guy has no idea what he's talking about:)-Sniper99-
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If you want to look at this not from the negative side, as that is a pretty easy thing to do against Sony now, you'd realize how much Sony advanced the video game industry. Nintendo, even for all of their great games and products, was stifling the industry with the cartridge format. They did this because, at the time, it was harder to pirate (although this is worthless now that you look at computer emulators that have almost every old title in them). After the fallout with Nintendo, partially caused by the contract agreement, Sony went ahead and made the Playstation with the CD format. While we're on the subject of formats, keep in mind that Philips and Sony co-created the CD, and later they would provide a small bit of help to Toshiba in the refinement of the DVD. Sony, in fact, advanced gaming. This was half a decade before Microsoft would step into the console war. Their failed formats, most notably the recent UMD, aren't always because they suck. In fact, a lot of times they're better, but the public isn't generally accepting of a non-standardized medium. The main failure with UMDs wasn't that they were only viewed on the PSP, but the price that studios were pushing them at. Had all UMD movies been released at say $10, you'd probably see a lot more of them today. Of course, I should also mention what's been said above that every company is guilty of some form of bad mojo. Nintendo was very restrictive of third party software and that trend is still being seen to some degree today as third party software is not as readily available as its competitors. As for Microsoft, I could write a book on their non-gaming skeletons, but if you want the short of it take a look sometime into their sorrid past with the key highlights being Java, Netscape, and the EU agreement.
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This stuff only scares people who hold stock shares in Sony.
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So in conclusion, support the monopolizing company with no distinction between good ethics and bad ethics? Don't make me start about stolen software.X_CAPCOM_X
Hey, the world could do much worse than MS. You realize Bill Gates gives away most of his earnings? A lot of it goes to political causes -- which is morally kind of gray -- but he and his wife are literally the most charitable people in the history of the world. It's true that MS has always adopted ideas that worked and adapted them to their own products, and you're gonna have to describe what's ethically bad about that to me because I don't see it.
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[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]So in conclusion, support the monopolizing company with no distinction between good ethics and bad ethics? Don't make me start about stolen software.fartgorilla
Hey, the world could do much worse than MS. You realize Bill Gates gives away most of his earnings? A lot of it goes to political causes -- which is morally kind of gray -- but he and his wife are literally the most charitable people in the history of the world. It's true that MS has always adopted ideas that worked and adapted them to their own products, and you're gonna have to describe what's ethically bad about that to me because I don't see it.

I think he means the occasional coroporate screwups that all big businesses have in their history.
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[QUOTE="X_CAPCOM_X"]So in conclusion, support the monopolizing company with no distinction between good ethics and bad ethics? Don't make me start about stolen software.fartgorilla
Hey, the world could do much worse than MS. You realize Bill Gates gives away most of his earnings? A lot of it goes to political causes -- which is morally kind of gray -- but he and his wife are literally the most charitable people in the history of the world. It's true that MS has always adopted ideas that worked and adapted them to their own products, and you're gonna have to describe what's ethically bad about that to me because I don't see it.

I'm more inclined to believe that Bill gives away a large portion of his earnings because of a tax write-off. It's a well-known tactic of the exceptionally wealthy and helps them PR their image considering that 99% of the world's money is tied to 1% of the population. BMGF has also been under a lot of scrutiny and investigation for their donations (or investments whatever manner you want to look at it) so I hardly believe that charity is doing any real good. I'm even less inclined to support a product in gaming world by Microsoft because of their all-consuming need to be first. Of course, there's nothing wrong with being first in anything, but if your MO is to outspend your competitors...well...that's just pretentious and egomaniacal. Microsoft reminds me of Francis from Pee-Wee's Big Adventure who thought he could buy everything he wanted.
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u misspelled nintendo