Why PC is better then a console, CHOICE!!

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#251 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Any OS running on any circuit board is not a platform.

ZombieKiller7

Correct. However, a given instruction set, protocols for interconnected hardware, and APIs to support development do together constitute a platform.

Then you might as well call your platform "technology" because every circuit board and every device in the world is using the same loose confederation of standards.

No. For instance, despite sharing a common architecture, it's very easy to yell the difference between iOS and Android as platforms. They have very different APIs and networked services, such that code written for one won't work without some sort of intermediary.
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#252 Posted by ZombieKiller7 (6364 posts) -

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Correct. However, a given instruction set, protocols for interconnected hardware, and APIs to support development do together constitute a platform.lowe0

Then you might as well call your platform "technology" because every circuit board and every device in the world is using the same loose confederation of standards.

No. For instance, despite sharing a common architecture, it's very easy to yell the difference between iOS and Android as platforms. They have very different APIs and networked services, such that code written for one won't work without some sort of intermediary.

Windows, Linux and Mac are all "PC"

iPads are PC's too. Tablet PC's. And droid tablet PC's. And Surface. etc etc

Where's the platform?

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#253 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Then you might as well call your platform "technology" because every circuit board and every device in the world is using the same loose confederation of standards.

ZombieKiller7

No. For instance, despite sharing a common architecture, it's very easy to yell the difference between iOS and Android as platforms. They have very different APIs and networked services, such that code written for one won't work without some sort of intermediary.

Windows, Linux and Mac are all "PC"

iPads are PC's too. Tablet PC's. And droid tablet PC's. And Surface. etc etc

Where's the platform?

Depends on how you build your software stack. You can develop to a specific set of middleware that makes it easier to deploy across multiple operating systems, or even skip the underlying system altogether and use something like Java that's practically a platform of its own.
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#254 Posted by ZombieKiller7 (6364 posts) -

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] No. For instance, despite sharing a common architecture, it's very easy to yell the difference between iOS and Android as platforms. They have very different APIs and networked services, such that code written for one won't work without some sort of intermediary. lowe0

Windows, Linux and Mac are all "PC"

iPads are PC's too. Tablet PC's. And droid tablet PC's. And Surface. etc etc

Where's the platform?

Depends on how you build your software stack. You can develop to a specific set of middleware that makes it easier to deploy across multiple operating systems, or even skip the underlying system altogether and use something like Java that's practically a platform of its own.

Pretty much.

I stand by my original statement.

"Digital is universal" is what I've been repeating for as long as I can remember, it just sails past everybody's head as they howl their displeasure at some imaginary "competing platform" that probably uses most of the same API and hardware.

There are no platforms.

There is stronger hardware, weaker hardware, and proprietary hardware limitations related to nothing but the market. One should, in theory, easily be able to run Windows on an Xbox, or iOS on a PS3.

So what's this "PC vs Console" bullschit?

A console is an HTPC.

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#255 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Windows, Linux and Mac are all "PC"

iPads are PC's too. Tablet PC's. And droid tablet PC's. And Surface. etc etc

Where's the platform?

ZombieKiller7

Depends on how you build your software stack. You can develop to a specific set of middleware that makes it easier to deploy across multiple operating systems, or even skip the underlying system altogether and use something like Java that's practically a platform of its own.

Pretty much.

I stand by my original statement.

"Digital is universal" is what I've been repeating for as long as I can remember, it just sails past everybody's head as they howl their displeasure at some imaginary "competing platform" that probably uses most of the same API and hardware.

There are no platforms.

There is stronger hardware, weaker hardware, and proprietary hardware limitations related to nothing but the market. One should, in theory, easily be able to run Windows on an Xbox, or iOS on a PS3.

So what's this "PC vs Console" bullschit?

A console is an HTPC.

Digital has hardly made everything universal. Money still pays for content to be made, and so business realities will still prevail over interoperability.
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#256 Posted by sakura_Ex (3066 posts) -
F**k PC gaming.
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#257 Posted by Bebi_vegeta (13558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Dumb question. A PC is supposed to be, by original purpose, a Business Machine. One used in the office for office work (eg Word Processing, Spreadsheets, Presentations, Database, etc). A Console is an entertainment system - something for Video Games, Movies, etc. (the extra stuff it can do now, like web surfing, video streaming, etc, are purely extras). So it's apples-to-oranges comparison.

Sailor_Enlil

I'm sorry but my PC is way more of a entertaiment machine then any console. It's a fact that it's way more complet system then your console.

Good luck convincing my parents that. They love movies, but never had it in their mind to use a PC for it (they watch it on a traditional DVD player). Me? I watch movies on my PS3 as it can truely display 1080p very beautifully on my 42" TV; I really tried to do the same with my PC, but it never came out looking good at 1080p - too grainy or wrong aspect/size; and even videos looked awful (my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC). They only time I was ever able to achieve 1080p or higher on a PC properly was with an Acer 24" LCD PC Monitor (not a TV - a purpose built PC monitor - it uses DVI instead of HDMI; perhaps that's the reason my PC could work on 1920x1200 with it properly).

Not sure what's your problem, but with my desktop I have no trouble playing blu ray movies on my HDTV 1080p. But off cours I use a proper HDMI cable. It's like you're trying to use a S-video cable for 1080p from your PS3 to HDTV.

I'm not sure why you stated your parents... if they don't you can't do that with a PC, it's not my fault.

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#258 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I'm sorry but my PC is way more of a entertaiment machine then any console. It's a fact that it's way more complet system then your console.

Bebi_vegeta

Good luck convincing my parents that. They love movies, but never had it in their mind to use a PC for it (they watch it on a traditional DVD player). Me? I watch movies on my PS3 as it can truely display 1080p very beautifully on my 42" TV; I really tried to do the same with my PC, but it never came out looking good at 1080p - too grainy or wrong aspect/size; and even videos looked awful (my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC). They only time I was ever able to achieve 1080p or higher on a PC properly was with an Acer 24" LCD PC Monitor (not a TV - a purpose built PC monitor - it uses DVI instead of HDMI; perhaps that's the reason my PC could work on 1920x1200 with it properly).

Not sure what's your problem, but with my desktop I have no trouble playing blu ray movies on my HDTV 1080p. But off cours I use a proper HDMI cable. It's like you're trying to use a S-video cable for 1080p from your PS3 to HDTV.

I'm not sure why you stated your parents... if they don't you can't do that with a PC, it's not my fault.

He already stated that he tried an HDMI cable.
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#259 Posted by lazerface216 (7564 posts) -

...spend 200 bucks on a pc and you ain't playin' sh*t.:lol:

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#260 Posted by lazerface216 (7564 posts) -

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

"PC" as a "platform" exists only in the minds of technological ignorants, Steam fanboys and Gamespot.

menes777

What does it matter either way? Oh wait yes I see, you can say it doesn't count so your magic box goes up to 2nd place from 3rd.:roll:

lol and what's first? pc?:lol:

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#261 Posted by RyviusARC (5657 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Good luck convincing my parents that. They love movies, but never had it in their mind to use a PC for it (they watch it on a traditional DVD player). Me? I watch movies on my PS3 as it can truely display 1080p very beautifully on my 42" TV; I really tried to do the same with my PC, but it never came out looking good at 1080p - too grainy or wrong aspect/size; and even videos looked awful (my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC). They only time I was ever able to achieve 1080p or higher on a PC properly was with an Acer 24" LCD PC Monitor (not a TV - a purpose built PC monitor - it uses DVI instead of HDMI; perhaps that's the reason my PC could work on 1920x1200 with it properly).

lowe0

Not sure what's your problem, but with my desktop I have no trouble playing blu ray movies on my HDTV 1080p. But off cours I use a proper HDMI cable. It's like you're trying to use a S-video cable for 1080p from your PS3 to HDTV.

I'm not sure why you stated your parents... if they don't you can't do that with a PC, it's not my fault.

He already stated that he tried an HDMI cable.

Well one of the products he is using is not functioning properly.

My friend uses a 1080P 47inch tv with all his consoles and PC.

He uses HDMI to connect the tv to his devices and has no issues.

He uses his PC to watch movies because it's more ocnvient and has better support.

He has never had issue with resolution or video quality.

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#262 Posted by ZetA_LatA (114 posts) -

[QUOTE="ZetA_LatA"]

In the long run you spend a lot less money on the PC (games are much, much cheaper if not free lol and no silly xbox live subscriptions). However sometimes choice isn't a good thing. A lot of people just want to pick something off a shelf, plug it in, and get going. With a PC you have to pick parts, assemble, install os, get new drivers, troubleshoot the problems that WILL come up, etc. It's a lot more involved than you'd have to be with a console.

But yes, with PCs you can have "next gen" graphics years before the next gen of consoles comes out, you can alter settings, use multiple displays, overclock parts to increase performance, play with obscene numbers of people at one time, mod and be encouraged to do so, and truthfully you don't have to spend over $1000 dollars to get a good gaming PC. Several friends of mine have rigs around $600-$700 that run most games just fine (not max but still rather well) which isn't altogether that much more expensive than the consoles were when they first came out.

However this is a debate the usually accomplishes nothing and will continue to do so until consoles inevitably become PCs themselves.

Sailor_Enlil

I wonder where your friends get such bargains. My latest PC upgrade alone (comprising of the Intel i7 3770K CPU and the ASUS Sabertooth Z77 motherboard) already cost me $670. From this store:

http://pcx.com.ph/components/processors/intel-core-i7-3770k-3-5g-8mb-22nm.html

http://pcx.com.ph/components/motherboards-1/asus-z77-sabertooth.html

Cyberpower was having a deal at the time and they got some pretty good systems. They didn't go all out with the unlocked i7 and a sabertooth though lol. True enthusiast level PCs, which it looks like you've got, do run $1000+ no prob, but for those dipping their feet into computer gaming for the first time there are some "affordable" options that will be a lot easier to swallow while far surpassing current gen and likely next gen systems as well.

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#263 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Not sure what's your problem, but with my desktop I have no trouble playing blu ray movies on my HDTV 1080p. But off cours I use a proper HDMI cable. It's like you're trying to use a S-video cable for 1080p from your PS3 to HDTV.

I'm not sure why you stated your parents... if they don't you can't do that with a PC, it's not my fault.

RyviusARC

He already stated that he tried an HDMI cable.

Well one of the products he is using is not functioning properly.

My friend uses a 1080P 47inch tv with all his consoles and PC.

He uses HDMI to connect the tv to his devices and has no issues.

He uses his PC to watch movies because it's more ocnvient and has better support.

He has never had issue with resolution or video quality.

Regardless, shouldn't it just work? How is that an acceptable user experience? You can't assume that just because it works for you, something must be malfunctioning.

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#264 Posted by ZombieKiller7 (6364 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] He already stated that he tried an HDMI cable.lowe0

Well one of the products he is using is not functioning properly.

My friend uses a 1080P 47inch tv with all his consoles and PC.

He uses HDMI to connect the tv to his devices and has no issues.

He uses his PC to watch movies because it's more ocnvient and has better support.

He has never had issue with resolution or video quality.

Regardless, shouldn't it just work? How is that an acceptable user experience? You can't assume that just because it works for you, something must be malfunctioning.

Probably non-HDCP compliant video card

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#265 Posted by Zoza24 (61 posts) -

He just tells his claim to convince us to go for overpriced Ultra PC gaming, :lol:

Way to go dude!:cool:

But let people decide what gaming system they play on.:P

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#266 Posted by Bebi_vegeta (13558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Good luck convincing my parents that. They love movies, but never had it in their mind to use a PC for it (they watch it on a traditional DVD player). Me? I watch movies on my PS3 as it can truely display 1080p very beautifully on my 42" TV; I really tried to do the same with my PC, but it never came out looking good at 1080p - too grainy or wrong aspect/size; and even videos looked awful (my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC). They only time I was ever able to achieve 1080p or higher on a PC properly was with an Acer 24" LCD PC Monitor (not a TV - a purpose built PC monitor - it uses DVI instead of HDMI; perhaps that's the reason my PC could work on 1920x1200 with it properly).

lowe0

Not sure what's your problem, but with my desktop I have no trouble playing blu ray movies on my HDTV 1080p. But off cours I use a proper HDMI cable. It's like you're trying to use a S-video cable for 1080p from your PS3 to HDTV.

I'm not sure why you stated your parents... if they don't you can't do that with a PC, it's not my fault.

He already stated that he tried an HDMI cable.

I don't see it.

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#267 Posted by Bebi_vegeta (13558 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] He already stated that he tried an HDMI cable.lowe0

Well one of the products he is using is not functioning properly.

My friend uses a 1080P 47inch tv with all his consoles and PC.

He uses HDMI to connect the tv to his devices and has no issues.

He uses his PC to watch movies because it's more ocnvient and has better support.

He has never had issue with resolution or video quality.

Regardless, shouldn't it just work? How is that an acceptable user experience? You can't assume that just because it works for you, something must be malfunctioning.

It's way better to assume he did everything right and it failed right ?

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#268 Posted by menes777 (2643 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] He already stated that he tried an HDMI cable.lowe0

Well one of the products he is using is not functioning properly.

My friend uses a 1080P 47inch tv with all his consoles and PC.

He uses HDMI to connect the tv to his devices and has no issues.

He uses his PC to watch movies because it's more ocnvient and has better support.

He has never had issue with resolution or video quality.

Regardless, shouldn't it just work? How is that an acceptable user experience? You can't assume that just because it works for you, something must be malfunctioning.

I am using an old Pentium D 2.66 Ghz and a ATI Radeon HD3450 as the GPU playing blu-ray quality movies (720p and 1080p) on my TV at home nearly perfectly. I can't imagine what excuse you would have for not being able to with a better setup than me.

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#269 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"]He already stated that he tried an HDMI cable.Bebi_vegeta

I don't see it.

not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PCSailor_Enlil

How would he know it looked terrible for him if he hadn't tried it?

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#270 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

Well one of the products he is using is not functioning properly.

My friend uses a 1080P 47inch tv with all his consoles and PC.

He uses HDMI to connect the tv to his devices and has no issues.

He uses his PC to watch movies because it's more ocnvient and has better support.

He has never had issue with resolution or video quality.

menes777

Regardless, shouldn't it just work? How is that an acceptable user experience? You can't assume that just because it works for you, something must be malfunctioning.

I am using an old Pentium D 2.66 Ghz and a ATI Radeon HD3450 as the GPU playing blu-ray quality movies (720p and 1080p) on my TV at home nearly perfectly. I can't imagine what excuse you would have for not being able to with a better setup than me.

What, my setup personally? The only PC I have hooked up to a TV is a 3570K/GTX 650. It doesn't work well, because the TV I have has overscan (Panasonic 32") and the overscan correction in Nvidia's drivers leads to blank screens on boot for some reason. I haven't had the time to troubleshoot it.
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#271 Posted by clyde46 (49050 posts) -

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

"PC" as a "platform" exists only in the minds of technological ignorants, Steam fanboys and Gamespot.

ZombieKiller7

What does it matter either way? Oh wait yes I see, you can say it doesn't count so your magic box goes up to 2nd place from 3rd.:roll:

It matters because one is a product, the other is a hobby with no specific product.

In your opinion.

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#272 Posted by Bebi_vegeta (13558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PClowe0

How would he know it looked terrible for him if he hadn't tried it?

Because he said, he used VGA ?

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#273 Posted by menes777 (2643 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

I don't see it.

lowe0

not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PCSailor_Enlil

How would he know it looked terrible for him if he hadn't tried it?

DVI and HDMI are essentially the same thing. HDMI includes audio though.

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#274 Posted by Bebi_vegeta (13558 posts) -

DVI and HDMI are essentially the same thing. HDMI includes audio though.

menes777

And some video card also include audio from DVI.

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#275 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PCBebi_vegeta

How would he know it looked terrible for him if he hadn't tried it?

Becayse he said, he used VGA ?

Go back and read the post again. When he says he's using VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC, what is the word "which" referring to?
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#276 Posted by menes777 (2643 posts) -

[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Regardless, shouldn't it just work? How is that an acceptable user experience? You can't assume that just because it works for you, something must be malfunctioning.

lowe0

I am using an old Pentium D 2.66 Ghz and a ATI Radeon HD3450 as the GPU playing blu-ray quality movies (720p and 1080p) on my TV at home nearly perfectly. I can't imagine what excuse you would have for not being able to with a better setup than me.

What, my setup personally? The only PC I have hooked up to a TV is a 3570K/GTX 650. It doesn't work well, because the TV I have has overscan (Panasonic 32") and the overscan correction in Nvidia's drivers leads to blank screens on boot for some reason. I haven't had the time to troubleshoot it.

I wasn't referring to your setup directly. But for me it was pretty much plug and play. The only difficulty that I had was that the HD 3450 is an AGP card (even more ancient) and so doesn't stream audio over the HDMI cable (DVI convert) so I had to plug into the sound card instead. Other than that the only problem I have are with some MKV formats but playing stock BR discs they play fine. Maybe I am just lucky but compared to my low end setup I would think it would be even easier for someone with a newer setup.

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#277 Posted by clyde46 (49050 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

How would he know it looked terrible for him if he hadn't tried it?

lowe0

Becayse he said, he used VGA ?

Go back and read the post again. When he says he's using VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC, what is the word "which" referring to?

I use VGA on my TV and it looks fine....

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#278 Posted by Bebi_vegeta (13558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

How would he know it looked terrible for him if he hadn't tried it?

lowe0

Becayse he said, he used VGA ?

Go back and read the post again. When he says he's using VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC, what is the word "which" referring to?

He sounds to me he was talking about VGA... since he must use it.

"my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC"

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#279 Posted by streetridaz (3276 posts) -
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pound sterling .... :lol: u overspend it

mrfrosty151986
Yes, GBP... you know, real currency and not that worthless paper they call the dollar :lol:

LMAO.......known fact that USD is loosing steam but damn if you think GBP is going to hold much longer then you are in for a little surprise.
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#280 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="menes777"]

I can't imagine what excuse you would have for not being able to with a better setup than me.

menes777

What, my setup personally?

I wasn't referring to your setup directly.

Then I'm curious what the word "you" means in the sentence above.

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#281 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Becayse he said, he used VGA ?

Bebi_vegeta

Go back and read the post again. When he says he's using VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC, what is the word "which" referring to?

He sounds to me he was talking about VGA... since he must use it.

"my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC"

We appear to have an ambiguous sentence, then. Could the original poster clarify?
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#282 Posted by Bebi_vegeta (13558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Go back and read the post again. When he says he's using VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC, what is the word "which" referring to?lowe0

He sounds to me he was talking about VGA... since he must use it.

"my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC"

We appear to have an ambiguous sentence, then. Could the original poster clarify?

We also have absolutly no idea about his setup.

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#283 Posted by AlexKidd5000 (2674 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Is the PC gaming as optimized as console ?

Sailor_Enlil

Sadly, no. PC games must cater to the "lowest common denominator" in order to maximize sales (i.e. some Joe Public's old battered PC that runs 20 year old games). Catering only to the highest PC spec is a sure fire way to go out of business.

Can your console do everything the PC can ?

Bebi_vegeta

Dumb question. A PC is supposed to be, by original purpose, a Business Machine. One used in the office for office work (eg Word Processing, Spreadsheets, Presentations, Database, etc). A Console is an entertainment system - something for Video Games, Movies, etc. (the extra stuff it can do now, like web surfing, video streaming, etc, are purely extras). So it's apples-to-oranges comparison.

This proves that you have never even touched a PC game if you don't know that PC games have multiple graphics settings for all kinds of hardware.
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#284 Posted by AlexKidd5000 (2674 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Dumb question. A PC is supposed to be, by original purpose, a Business Machine. One used in the office for office work (eg Word Processing, Spreadsheets, Presentations, Database, etc). A Console is an entertainment system - something for Video Games, Movies, etc. (the extra stuff it can do now, like web surfing, video streaming, etc, are purely extras). So it's apples-to-oranges comparison.

Sailor_Enlil

I'm sorry but my PC is way more of a entertaiment machine then any console. It's a fact that it's way more complet system then your console.

Good luck convincing my parents that. They love movies, but never had it in their mind to use a PC for it (they watch it on a traditional DVD player). Me? I watch movies on my PS3 as it can truely display 1080p very beautifully on my 42" TV; I really tried to do the same with my PC, but it never came out looking good at 1080p - too grainy or wrong aspect/size; and even videos looked awful (my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC). They only time I was ever able to achieve 1080p or higher on a PC properly was with an Acer 24" LCD PC Monitor (not a TV - a purpose built PC monitor - it uses DVI instead of HDMI; perhaps that's the reason my PC could work on 1920x1200 with it properly).

PC's are all purpose machines, they can do whatever you want them to. It's just as easy to plug your computer into that 42" TV as it is a console, as any new video card has an HDMI output.
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#285 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

He sounds to me he was talking about VGA... since he must use it.

"my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC"

Bebi_vegeta

We appear to have an ambiguous sentence, then. Could the original poster clarify?

We also have absolutly no idea about his setup.

We know a bit. For instance, that he's getting 1080p video from a PS3. If he's unhappy with the video quality over VGA, it's reasonable to assume that he's not using component to do that. Hence, he most likely has one or more HDMI ports on his TV.
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#286 Posted by Bebi_vegeta (13558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] We appear to have an ambiguous sentence, then. Could the original poster clarify?lowe0

We also have absolutly no idea about his setup.

We know a bit. For instance, that he's getting 1080p video from a PS3. If he's unhappy with the video quality over VGA, it's reasonable to assume that he's not using component to do that. Hence, he most likely has one or more HDMI ports on his TV.

We also know it's working with some Aced LCD over DVI... but we don't anything about the source which would be his GPU. I haven't used VGA is ages!

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#287 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

We also have absolutly no idea about his setup.

Bebi_vegeta

We know a bit. For instance, that he's getting 1080p video from a PS3. If he's unhappy with the video quality over VGA, it's reasonable to assume that he's not using component to do that. Hence, he most likely has one or more HDMI ports on his TV.

We also know it's working with some Aced LCD over DVI... but we don't anything about the source which would be his GPU. I haven't used VGA is ages!

VGA is still pretty common. My work PC only offers VGA and DP, so I use both for dual monitors. They're also quite common in conference rooms for hooking up to a projector; seems like every one I've been in has VGA plus 3.5mm.
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#288 Posted by ronvalencia (25417 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

"PC" as a "platform" exists only in the minds of technological ignorants, Steam fanboys and Gamespot.

ZombieKiller7

No, it definitely fits the definition. There's an ecosystem of specific hardware, libraries, and services to support software, in this case the libraries support games specifically.

Any OS running on any circuit board is not a platform.

Microsoft Windows is a platform target.
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#289 Posted by mitu123 (155201 posts) -

F**k PC gaming.sakura_Ex
F*** console gaming.

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#290 Posted by RyviusARC (5657 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] He already stated that he tried an HDMI cable.lowe0

Well one of the products he is using is not functioning properly.

My friend uses a 1080P 47inch tv with all his consoles and PC.

He uses HDMI to connect the tv to his devices and has no issues.

He uses his PC to watch movies because it's more ocnvient and has better support.

He has never had issue with resolution or video quality.

Regardless, shouldn't it just work? How is that an acceptable user experience? You can't assume that just because it works for you, something must be malfunctioning.

My friend lost all his game save data on his PS3 back when they did an update to fix something with Heavy Rain.

He had to replace his Xbox 360 3 times.

People have issues with hardware all the time whether it be consoles or PC.

And I can assume that something on his side is malfunctioning.

I know exactly how the hardware works so it's either a problem with his ignorance of that hardware or a piece of that hardware is malfunctioning.

Also to the people who say VGA sucks, you are wrong.

It depends on the device.

I have an older 1680x1050 monitor using VGA and looks the same compared to when using DVI.

It depends on the type of monitor not just the cable.

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#291 Posted by whiskeystrike (12172 posts) -

...spend 200 bucks on a pc and you ain't playin' sh*t.:lol:

lazerface216

minesweeper f*** yeah

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#292 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I'm sorry but my PC is way more of a entertaiment machine then any console. It's a fact that it's way more complet system then your console.

AlexKidd5000

Good luck convincing my parents that. They love movies, but never had it in their mind to use a PC for it (they watch it on a traditional DVD player). Me? I watch movies on my PS3 as it can truely display 1080p very beautifully on my 42" TV; I really tried to do the same with my PC, but it never came out looking good at 1080p - too grainy or wrong aspect/size; and even videos looked awful (my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC). They only time I was ever able to achieve 1080p or higher on a PC properly was with an Acer 24" LCD PC Monitor (not a TV - a purpose built PC monitor - it uses DVI instead of HDMI; perhaps that's the reason my PC could work on 1920x1200 with it properly).

PC's are all purpose machines, they can do whatever you want them to. It's just as easy to plug your computer into that 42" TV as it is a console, as any new video card has an HDMI output.

While it's easy to hook it up it's stupid to bother hooking it up in a living room. One of the great things about PC's is choice, one of the worst things about PC's is lack of standards... PC's are great but unless you want to get a second gaming competitively in a living room isn't exactly what I'd consider ejoyable with a mouse and keyboard. Yes you can hook up a controller, but have you ever seen any one ever play shogun 2 or cs:source with a controller? Not even all UI's are designed with a longer viewing range in mind, you'll need binoculars for reading some of the spread sheet data displayed for games like x3.

If your just going to use PC as an upscale consoles on console games, it begs the question of why bother? You can't be productive in the living room, again binoculars for excel will be necessary... you could get 2 pc's: A main PC for all those wonderful PC games, and a cheaper PC for console games. Oh wait, that is exactly what consoles are for! It's a cheap PC for your living room and far simpler for your entertainment needs. Yes you can use windows media center... but why bother with a full OS for media when all you need is ps3 or xbox to play games in the living room with and stream netflix...

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#293 Posted by clyde46 (49050 posts) -

[QUOTE="AlexKidd5000"][QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Good luck convincing my parents that. They love movies, but never had it in their mind to use a PC for it (they watch it on a traditional DVD player). Me? I watch movies on my PS3 as it can truely display 1080p very beautifully on my 42" TV; I really tried to do the same with my PC, but it never came out looking good at 1080p - too grainy or wrong aspect/size; and even videos looked awful (my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC). They only time I was ever able to achieve 1080p or higher on a PC properly was with an Acer 24" LCD PC Monitor (not a TV - a purpose built PC monitor - it uses DVI instead of HDMI; perhaps that's the reason my PC could work on 1920x1200 with it properly).

savagetwinkie

PC's are all purpose machines, they can do whatever you want them to. It's just as easy to plug your computer into that 42" TV as it is a console, as any new video card has an HDMI output.

While it's easy to hook it up it's stupid to bother hooking it up in a living room. One of the great things about PC's is choice, one of the worst things about PC's is lack of standards... PC's are great but unless you want to get a second gaming competitively in a living room isn't exactly what I'd consider ejoyable with a mouse and keyboard. Yes you can hook up a controller, but have you ever seen any one ever play shogun 2 or cs:source with a controller? Not even all UI's are designed with a longer viewing range in mind, you'll need binoculars for reading some of the spread sheet data displayed for games like x3.

If your just going to use PC as an upscale consoles on console games, it begs the question of why bother? You can't be productive in the living room, again binoculars for excel will be necessary... you could get 2 pc's: A main PC for all those wonderful PC games, and a cheaper PC for console games. Oh wait, that is exactly what consoles are for! It's a cheap PC for your living room and far simpler for your entertainment needs. Yes you can use windows media center... but why bother with a full OS for media when all you need is ps3 or xbox to play games in the living room with and stream netflix...

Why do I need a console when I have a HTPC? An HTPC that streams all my media from a server, no need to worry about the format the video is because it will always play, I get to stream Lovefilm from it and I get to browse the web too. Remind why I need a console.
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#294 Posted by Bebi_vegeta (13558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] We know a bit. For instance, that he's getting 1080p video from a PS3. If he's unhappy with the video quality over VGA, it's reasonable to assume that he's not using component to do that. Hence, he most likely has one or more HDMI ports on his TV.lowe0

We also know it's working with some Aced LCD over DVI... but we don't anything about the source which would be his GPU. I haven't used VGA is ages!

VGA is still pretty common. My work PC only offers VGA and DP, so I use both for dual monitors. They're also quite common in conference rooms for hooking up to a projector; seems like every one I've been in has VGA plus 3.5mm.

Well its true i have gaming pc... but VGA is pretty much dead except for the compagnies who still seem to support it or maybe it depends what product you buy.Because my gateway laptop doesnt have one, it has HDMI instead.

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#295 Posted by Bebi_vegeta (13558 posts) -

[QUOTE="AlexKidd5000"][QUOTE="Sailor_Enlil"]

Good luck convincing my parents that. They love movies, but never had it in their mind to use a PC for it (they watch it on a traditional DVD player). Me? I watch movies on my PS3 as it can truely display 1080p very beautifully on my 42" TV; I really tried to do the same with my PC, but it never came out looking good at 1080p - too grainy or wrong aspect/size; and even videos looked awful (my PC's graphics only look good on the TV at 1366x768, and I must use VGA, not HDMI, which looks terrible coming from the PC). They only time I was ever able to achieve 1080p or higher on a PC properly was with an Acer 24" LCD PC Monitor (not a TV - a purpose built PC monitor - it uses DVI instead of HDMI; perhaps that's the reason my PC could work on 1920x1200 with it properly).

savagetwinkie

PC's are all purpose machines, they can do whatever you want them to. It's just as easy to plug your computer into that 42" TV as it is a console, as any new video card has an HDMI output.

While it's easy to hook it up it's stupid to bother hooking it up in a living room. One of the great things about PC's is choice, one of the worst things about PC's is lack of standards... PC's are great but unless you want to get a second gaming competitively in a living room isn't exactly what I'd consider ejoyable with a mouse and keyboard. Yes you can hook up a controller, but have you ever seen any one ever play shogun 2 or cs:source with a controller? Not even all UI's are designed with a longer viewing range in mind, you'll need binoculars for reading some of the spread sheet data displayed for games like x3.

If your just going to use PC as an upscale consoles on console games, it begs the question of why bother? You can't be productive in the living room, again binoculars for excel will be necessary... you could get 2 pc's: A main PC for all those wonderful PC games, and a cheaper PC for console games. Oh wait, that is exactly what consoles are for! It's a cheap PC for your living room and far simpler for your entertainment needs. Yes you can use windows media center... but why bother with a full OS for media when all you need is ps3 or xbox to play games in the living room with and stream netflix...

I prefer PC for the living room just because I use M&K for internet stuff and also watch all my TVshow/movies... hell listen to music. Why bother with a console... I sold my PS3 and bought a blu ray drive, didnt have time to play ps3 and pc games at the same time.

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#296 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -
[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="AlexKidd5000"] PC's are all purpose machines, they can do whatever you want them to. It's just as easy to plug your computer into that 42" TV as it is a console, as any new video card has an HDMI output.clyde46

While it's easy to hook it up it's stupid to bother hooking it up in a living room. One of the great things about PC's is choice, one of the worst things about PC's is lack of standards... PC's are great but unless you want to get a second gaming competitively in a living room isn't exactly what I'd consider ejoyable with a mouse and keyboard. Yes you can hook up a controller, but have you ever seen any one ever play shogun 2 or cs:source with a controller? Not even all UI's are designed with a longer viewing range in mind, you'll need binoculars for reading some of the spread sheet data displayed for games like x3.

If your just going to use PC as an upscale consoles on console games, it begs the question of why bother? You can't be productive in the living room, again binoculars for excel will be necessary... you could get 2 pc's: A main PC for all those wonderful PC games, and a cheaper PC for console games. Oh wait, that is exactly what consoles are for! It's a cheap PC for your living room and far simpler for your entertainment needs. Yes you can use windows media center... but why bother with a full OS for media when all you need is ps3 or xbox to play games in the living room with and stream netflix...

Why do I need a console when I have a HTPC? An HTPC that streams all my media from a server, no need to worry about the format the video is because it will always play, I get to stream Lovefilm from it and I get to browse the web too. Remind why I need a console.

That's great if you store all of your media on a server, but Amazon stores the videos I buy for me, and I don't have to worry about what format it's in either. You don't need a console, but I don't need a PC, either. Even a decent Blu-ray player could handle streaming duties, and it'd support CEC so I wouldn't need an extra remote.
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#297 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] While it's easy to hook it up it's stupid to bother hooking it up in a living room. One of the great things about PC's is choice, one of the worst things about PC's is lack of standards... PC's are great but unless you want to get a second gaming competitively in a living room isn't exactly what I'd consider ejoyable with a mouse and keyboard. Yes you can hook up a controller, but have you ever seen any one ever play shogun 2 or cs:source with a controller? Not even all UI's are designed with a longer viewing range in mind, you'll need binoculars for reading some of the spread sheet data displayed for games like x3.

If your just going to use PC as an upscale consoles on console games, it begs the question of why bother? You can't be productive in the living room, again binoculars for excel will be necessary... you could get 2 pc's: A main PC for all those wonderful PC games, and a cheaper PC for console games. Oh wait, that is exactly what consoles are for! It's a cheap PC for your living room and far simpler for your entertainment needs. Yes you can use windows media center... but why bother with a full OS for media when all you need is ps3 or xbox to play games in the living room with and stream netflix...

lowe0
Why do I need a console when I have a HTPC? An HTPC that streams all my media from a server, no need to worry about the format the video is because it will always play, I get to stream Lovefilm from it and I get to browse the web too. Remind why I need a console.

That's great if you store all of your media on a server, but Amazon stores the videos I buy for me, and I don't have to worry about what format it's in either. You don't need a console, but I don't need a PC, either. Even a decent Blu-ray player could handle streaming duties, and it'd support CEC so I wouldn't need an extra remote.

We are talking about gaming though, so having an htpc + gaming pc + main gaming PC... that's silly. Maybe it's just me but I find gaming in a living room handled infinitly better by a console, everyone is on the same page, it's simple, it works for everyone that walks into my living room
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#298 Posted by clyde46 (49050 posts) -

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Why do I need a console when I have a HTPC? An HTPC that streams all my media from a server, no need to worry about the format the video is because it will always play, I get to stream Lovefilm from it and I get to browse the web too. Remind why I need a console.savagetwinkie
That's great if you store all of your media on a server, but Amazon stores the videos I buy for me, and I don't have to worry about what format it's in either. You don't need a console, but I don't need a PC, either. Even a decent Blu-ray player could handle streaming duties, and it'd support CEC so I wouldn't need an extra remote.

We are talking about gaming though, so having an htpc + gaming pc + main gaming PC... that's silly. Maybe it's just me but I find gaming in a living room handled infinitly better by a console, everyone is on the same page, it's simple, it works for everyone that walks into my living room

Personally, my HTPC would be able to handle most games at 1080p, given that ITX hardware is getting better and the cases have good cooling for full size GPU's.

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#299 Posted by Sailor_Enlil (1552 posts) -

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] We appear to have an ambiguous sentence, then. Could the original poster clarify?lowe0

We also have absolutly no idea about his setup.

We know a bit. For instance, that he's getting 1080p video from a PS3. If he's unhappy with the video quality over VGA, it's reasonable to assume that he's not using component to do that. Hence, he most likely has one or more HDMI ports on his TV.

To Clarify - when I used HDMI to connect my PC to my TV, it came out terrible - very grainy, and worse, the text was completely unreadable at 1080p. Only when using VGA and 1366x768 did it come out acceptable (going 1080p here cause the text to become blurry, though not as unreadable as when using HDMI). Oh and my video card? An Inno3D GTX 660i.

Oh and I tend to get this every now and then on my PC:

Steam Hang

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#300 Posted by faizan_faizan (7869 posts) -

Meh, I mainly use my PC to play free to play games. The last PC game I bought was Starcraft 2. Its just my personal taste that I prefer consoles, but its just my opinion.

sonic1564
Or your PC sucks.