Why is Microsoft getting flack for doing almost exactly what Sega did during the 90's and early 00's?

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#2 DrLostRib
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lot of alts today in SW

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#3 DaVillain  Moderator
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Never mix MS for Sega. Apple/Oranges here.

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#5 Black96Z
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People have more hate inside themselves these days. They rather hate their hobby then love it.

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#6 ForzaWetTrack
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@davillain- said:

Never mix MS for Sega. Apple/Oranges here.

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#7 DrLostRib
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So how is SEGA's newest console doing?

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#9 DrLostRib
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@brandshatch said:
@drlostrib said:

So how is SEGA's newest console doing?

They didn't succumb to the market because of this, no one even mentioned it let alone were outraged by it.

So it's not going well? how unfortunate

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lol @ comparing the shit show that is MS Studios to SEGA.

I wonder who's alt this is.

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@quadknight said:

lol @ comparing the shit show that is MS Studios to SEGA.

I wonder who's alt this is.

One guess.

I'll just call him the King of Alts.

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You could play some games like Sonic, Virtua Fighter, Manx TT Super Bike, or what have you, but not everything; not anything close to it actually. Exclusives are a much rarer thing these days, so when your games are all available on the PC aside from basically Halo, it diminishes the value of the console.

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@reduc_ab_ said:
@quadknight said:

lol @ comparing the shit show that is MS Studios to SEGA.

I wonder who's alt this is.

One guess.

I'll just call him the King of Alts.

One might call the person, a Damage Control expert.

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@SolidTy said:
@reduc_ab_ said:
@quadknight said:

lol @ comparing the shit show that is MS Studios to SEGA.

I wonder who's alt this is.

One guess.

I'll just call him the King of Alts.

One might call the person, a Damage Control expert.

If it is, better hope byshop doesn't catch him

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#17  Edited By Renegade_Fury
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@brandshatch said:
@Renegade_Fury said:

You could play some games like Sonic, Virtua Fighter, Manx TT Super Bike, or what have you, but not everything; not anything close to it actually. Exclusives are a much rarer thing these days, so when your games are all available on the PC aside from basically Halo, it diminishes the value of the console.

It wasn't some games, it was dozens and I'm sure there's more I'm not aware of.

  • Panzer Dragoon
  • Sakura Taisen 1
  • Sakura Taisen 4
  • Worms Forts
  • The Typing of the Dead
  • Virtua Tennis
  • Sega Marine Fishing,
  • Sega Bass Fishing
  • House of the Dead
  • House of the Dead 2
  • House of the Dead 3
  • Daytona USA
  • Daytona USA Deluxe
  • Hundred Swords
  • Crazy Taxi
  • Virtua Fighter
  • Virtua Fighter 2
  • Sega GT
  • Sonic R
  • Baku Baku
  • Bug!
  • Ecco the Dolphin
  • Sega Smach Pack
  • Space Harrier
  • Sega Rally Championship
  • Sega Rally 2
  • Sega Swirl
  • Sonic CD
  • Sonic and Knuckles Collection
  • Sonic 3D Blast
  • Sonic Adventure
  • Phantasy Star Online

That is definitely only some, because it doesn't come anywhere close to the exclusive libraries of the Master System, Genesis, SEGA CD, SEGA 32X, Saturn, and Dreamcast. I used to buy SEGA games on the PC whenever I could, but it was nothing like today where I can literally go game by game and get them on the PC with the Xbox One. If I could have done that back then, I would have ditched SEGA hardware too like I have with Xbox.

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@drlostrib said:
@SolidTy said:
@reduc_ab_ said:
@quadknight said:

lol @ comparing the shit show that is MS Studios to SEGA.

I wonder who's alt this is.

One guess.

I'll just call him the King of Alts.

One might call the person, a Damage Control expert.

If it is, better hope byshop doesn't catch him

My advanced language heuristics and forensics have determined that he is some sort of law enforcement. Possibly created from explosives.

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#19  Edited By deactivated-5c0b07b32bf03
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@SolidTy said:
@reduc_ab_ said:
@quadknight said:

lol @ comparing the shit show that is MS Studios to SEGA.

I wonder who's alt this is.

One guess.

I'll just call him the King of Alts.

One might call the person, a Damage Control expert.

Hmmmm. Now let me reallY give thAt one some deep thought.

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#20  Edited By QuadKnight
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@brandshatch: As a life-long SEGA fan I’ll say a lot of their games were still exclusive to their consoles at the time. It’s nothing like MS where their minuscule number of games are already on PC and run better on PC, giving PC owners no reason to own an Xbone.

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#21  Edited By QuadKnight
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@reduc_ab_ said:
@SolidTy said:
@reduc_ab_ said:
@quadknight said:

lol @ comparing the shit show that is MS Studios to SEGA.

I wonder who's alt this is.

One guess.

I'll just call him the King of Alts.

One might call the person, a Damage Control expert.

Hmmmm. Now let me reallY give thAt one some deep thought.

? You guys are hilarious.

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Dreamcast had VGA for PC monitors, and the hardware was pretty much PC in a box. Especially as DC had built in modem.

Too bad they built the console during an era when graphics chips were evolving at breakneck speed, meaning that PS2 totally killed Dreamcast with its superior graphics power.

Will PS5 do the same to Xbox One X? I doubt it. There's no sign of huge leap in tech in coming years, so PS5 will be about the same as X1X.

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#24 PinkAnimal
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Don't insult Sega that way endofaugust. Sega actually cares about gaming and knows what makes a good game. MS is as clueless as it gets.

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#25 TuMekeNZ
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Blame social media. I don’t think MS approach is bad but the vocal minority will make it seem like it is to fuel their pathetic agendas.

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#26 stuff238
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It's no secret the Xbox division was heavily influenced by Sega.

Didn't that Peter Moore guy basically jump from Sega to Microsoft? The controller was identical to the dreamcast controller. Then they got 50 Sega ports.

Microsoft took Sega's place and it is why they suck. The Xbox brand might as well be considered Sega consoles.

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@brandshatch said:

If you look back at the history of Sega and their presence on PC it was pretty heavy, even though they constantly had console hardware on the market a large section of their big first party IP's were always ported to the PC.

I not once ever heard a single gripe about it, no one ever arguing about it, no one trying to belittle their console platforms as a result, just nothing. So what's the deal? Why is this almost identical situation here suddenly a problem for people relating to Microsoft?

I get the fanboy side of it but there are people absolutely being serious in what they say and their convictions and I'm genuinely questioning why.

This isnt identical at all ...

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@forzawettrack said:
@davillain- said:

Never mix MS for Sega. Apple/Oranges here.

That chart is fake.

Greece in summer is all about the watermelon.

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@quadknight said:
@reduc_ab_ said:
@SolidTy said:
@reduc_ab_ said:
@quadknight said:

lol @ comparing the shit show that is MS Studios to SEGA.

I wonder who's alt this is.

One guess.

I'll just call him the King of Alts.

One might call the person, a Damage Control expert.

Hmmmm. Now let me reallY give thAt one some deep thought.

? You guys are hilarious.

Best quote chain of the day so far.

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#30  Edited By Jag85
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@brandshatch said:
@Renegade_Fury said:

You could play some games like Sonic, Virtua Fighter, Manx TT Super Bike, or what have you, but not everything; not anything close to it actually. Exclusives are a much rarer thing these days, so when your games are all available on the PC aside from basically Halo, it diminishes the value of the console.

It wasn't some games, it was dozens and I'm sure there's more I'm not aware of.

  • Panzer Dragoon
  • Sakura Taisen 1
  • Sakura Taisen 4
  • Worms Forts
  • The Typing of the Dead
  • Virtua Tennis
  • Sega Marine Fishing
  • Sega Bass Fishing
  • The House of the Dead
  • The House of the Dead 2
  • The House of the Dead 3
  • Daytona USA
  • Daytona USA Deluxe
  • Hundred Swords
  • Crazy Taxi
  • Virtua Fighter
  • Virtua Fighter 2
  • Sega GT
  • Sonic R
  • Baku Baku
  • Virtua Cop
  • Virtua Cop 2
  • Bug!
  • Ecco the Dolphin
  • Sega Smash Pack
  • Space Harrier
  • Sega Rally Championship
  • Sega Rally 2
  • Sega Swirl
  • Sonic CD
  • Sonic and Knuckles Collection
  • Sonic 3D Blast
  • Sonic Adventure
  • Sonic Adventure 2
  • Phantasy Star Online

Most of these were ported to PC years after their original releases. And most of these were inferior ports on PC. The best way to experience most of these games were either in the arcades or on consoles. And like Renegade said, that list is quite small compared to the ton of exclusives Sega released on their systems.

It's different with Microsoft. The PC versions release almost simultaneously with the Xbone versions. The PC versions are superior to the Xbone versions. And the Xbone doesn't have anything else besides the shared Xbone & PC games. These factors make the Xbone redundant.

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#31 JustPlainLucas
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I don't know...I always felt that Sega machines were consoles that felt like consoles, while Xboxs just felt like watered down PCs.

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#32 Dark_sageX
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You do realize that SEGA failed in the end right? besides, SEGA didn't shove Online Subscriptions and mandatory online connectivity down our throats.

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I hope they get the same ending too

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#34 Jag85
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Two ways in which they are/were both similar:

  • Consoles being their secondary focus, rather than primary focus. For Sega, their primary focus has always been arcades. For Microsoft, their primary focus is PC.
    • However, Sega created their own arcade hardware, whereas Microsoft doesn't create PC hardware.
    • Also, Sega didn't neglect consoles, but made lots of console exclusives, along with arcade ports. For Microsoft, Xbone only has PC ports/multiplats.
  • Sega became notorious for mid-gen upgrades in the 16-bit era (Sega CD, then 32X). Which is something Microsoft has been doing lately (Xbone S, then Xbone X).