Why is it so hard for PC gamers to admit most of them don't pay for expensive hardware.

And yet your group's threads are absolutely all identical at the moment. Funny that? There's not point in being disingenuous about the situation.

Box, I have enough integrity to own up to what I've done. You are not even showing that much.

And, dude, flagging isn't what I do when ticked off; it's what I do when facing a spammy troll who pretty much destroyed their own integrity and tries to overwhelm their opposition through sheer volume of replies. I didn't flag Calvincfb or Brah4ever; I only flagged you.

And, I love how you bring that up about Xantu, when what Xantu did was simply what a number of other people did in much shorter form earlier in the thread. Everyone who can look at that thread can see it, including all of the pictures posted. You are outright lying.

The best part? Between the two of us, I'm the only one who can prove the accusation of lying. All I have to do is link the thread. In fact, here's just one of the posts that you say were never made. Oh, and let's not forget I had the integrity to call out one of the people on my side.

Ya know, for someone who lies and has no integrity, I have way too much evidence to support what I'm saying...

No warnings yet. I did get flagged at one point. Took a couple days for the karma to fade.

And, yeah. If I got a warning, I'd own up to it. Just like I owned up to the fact that PCs always having access to the latest technology isn't necessarily a good thing and that consoles have the advantage of the technology being more developed and stable when it hits release for them. Plus, consoles have the advantage of being cheaper for the overall lifespan when it comes to the latest tech, though that advantage is slowly fading thanks to the computer technology plateau and the need to continually develop new consoles.

All these PC bashing threads and I'm here playing at 1440p/1080p and 60fps.

*sips mango juice*

It's a hard knock life.

And i was the first to point out that people presented with a choice of doing the same thing,in this case playing the same games for less money will always go for the cheaper option.

This is the case for PC and consoles.

And i already told you that before the Pro was launch the arguments were the same and PC gamers still used shots of games been run on ultra settings and 4k or in cases video showcasing high frame rates of ultra powerful GPU which most of them don't even go for.

PC is basically the contrary of consoles,while most console developers will try to get the best possible picture quality at the expense of frames,PC gamers will probably rock a 1060GPU and run the game at higher frames by trading resolution.

Which is why 64% of steam still is on 1080p which is basically a TV resolution.

Nice spin.

You nor all PC gamers on this forum represent even 1% of the totality of PC gamers,so you going for a RTX2080ti is irrelevant when 99% of the market will not.

PC like consoles are full of peasants period,most people don't pay the top dollars for this machines to run their games.

I don't have a problem with PC been picture as the best,because IT IS period the choices are there which is better ultimately than not having any or been confined to just 2 sku.

What i have a problem is the notion that most PC gamers are that much different from console ones when they mostly don't get the very best experience just as consoles gamers.

Flag bombing people here without justification will get you banned,mods can tell you know.

Check your posting history you mean the full 3 weeks...lol

To answer the original question from my personal perspective. I buy pretty decent PC hardware at a time when I feel I need a refresh. No I am not talking UBER parts that are insanely expensive but certainly high end enthusiast grade components when I do a complete platform refresh. My last complete refresh was back in 2015 when the Skylake platform was released using a i7 6700K coupled with a 980ti. I then bought a GTX 1080 at launch in 2016 to replace the 980ti for some extra graphical umpf. Before the Skylake upgrade I was on a i7 3770k Ivy Bridge (2012). So as you can see my PC upgrade cycles are 3-4yrs long with maybe a new GPU sprinkled in. I pay a good amount of money for the systems and get my worth out of it.

So by today’s standard’s my PC may look dated in a survey but I did spend a good penny on building the system at the time. So now by today's standards, it's not the latest and greatest. It’s not because “I cheaped out” building it. There are always the few that go grab the newest shiniest GPU/CPU/mobo etc but I think a lot of PC gamers take this approach and upgrade in cycles like this.

I mean, here is the reality for you:

• Higher-mid and high end cards were matching the PS4/Xbox one X on launch or performing better.
• By year 2-3 of the consoles , any mid-range card wins.
• 10xx series for the most part still beats the Pro/X and has been around what 4 years....

What you can observe of the 4k Market:

• TV adoption rate is incredibly high, but not in any form for high end gaming.
• Neither TV Broadcast or Streaming offer anything more than 5-10% of thier content in 4k... and that's being generous.
• PC gaming had produce the most 4k games with absolutely no contest.
• Most choose not to however, because graphics settings and framerate add far more to a game.

So yea, not many PC gamers running 4k screens, because its not worth it.

So in the current climate, what does 4k add exactly? And why do you think 1080p PC gamers do not have better graphics/framerate than most console gamers hmm?

Competitions/battles are fought with the best from each competing side. You send your best warriors out to win the battle. So, stop trying to put limitations on the PC platform. Someone choosing to buy cheap hardware or not able to afford high end gear is a personal issue and not one of the platform. Consoles are limited to shit tier hardware. PCs are not.

Cost is factually a limitation of PC gaming. Lets not pretend that it isn't.

@Pedro: You get what you pay for. I have always stated this. PC has a wide range of components that people can buy. Each person makes their own decisions.

Cost is a limit of anything, lol.

What makes it hilarious? Many of us PC gamers are also console gamers. So there really shouldn't be as big of a divide in conversation as there has been.

And, end of the day, what both groups have been comparing on here is the best that they have to offer, not the objective reality of what each side mostly uses; if we went with the second, both groups would be posting far worse quality screenshots than they have been for comparison purposes. Because just like most PC gamers do not buy the latest and greatest, most console players don't buy the most powerful version of their console.

So, basically, this topic has been spawned by ongoing fighting between a portion of the PS4 fanbase and a portion of the PC fanbase comparing the best of what each has... while ignoring that what the best of each has is not actually what the majority of their respective fanbases actually use.

So, Bassman isn't spinning it. Bassman is merely reflecting on the truth of the matter.

I'm well aware. There was also a mod reading the thread at the time I did it. And, afterward, my karma was reset while the person I flagged ended up with 6 karma (which means I wasn't the only one who flagged them). I actually didn't get any karma that remained until a couple days later.

And, since then, I have not flagged a single post.

TC, you are consistently one for calling out people with prior posts... Can you address this?

Exactly who are you addressing with this thread?

TC is never going to back this up. They can't, and they've had long enough to try. It's simply a falacy spewed out to bait