Why is Dead or Alive a bad fighting game?

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#1 Posted by Nerkcon (4707 posts) -
When there is a talk about fighting games and someone mentions DOA they get flamed. There are quite a few fellow DOA fans here but everywhere else I get eaten alive. The only reason I heard is that all the characters have 'weak personalities' (because we all know that Vitrual fighter's characters are so deep with their one-liners and story-less cut scenes) and the combos and few and too easy to pull off. But besides blind hatred can anyone give me detailed reasons why it's a weak fighter? :(
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#2 Posted by PAL360 (28696 posts) -
Dead of Alive 3 (xbox) was one of the best 3d fighting games ever!
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#3 Posted by Vectah_Sigma (1104 posts) -

Dead of Alive 3 (xbox) was one of the best 3d fighting games ever!PAL360

Tekken Tag

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#4 Posted by LibertySaint (6500 posts) -
because its a xbox exclusive.
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#5 Posted by Sarge1442 (709 posts) -
DOA4 is great it's fast fun and has easy cool looking combos. Tekken just feels to slow for me after DOA same with Virtua Fighter
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#6 Posted by killerfist (20090 posts) -

Dead of Alive 3 (xbox) was one of the best 3d fighting games ever!PAL360

DOA2 and Ultimate is better imo

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#7 Posted by Lab392 (6228 posts) -
I've never played it, but a lot of people say it's too much of a button-masher.
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#8 Posted by filfili (1593 posts) -
Not really sure why, but after playing SC4 online, my fondness for DOA 4 grew. DOA 4 feels more balanced and less button mashing to me now.
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#9 Posted by DarkChrisss1995 (802 posts) -
I played DoA for only ten minutes,and the game was Extreme Volleyball,or something like that.I thought it was boring,but it had pretty good graphics.
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#10 Posted by killerfist (20090 posts) -

I played DoA for only ten minutes,and the game was Extreme Volleyball,or something like that.I thought it was boring,but it had pretty good graphics.DarkChrisss1995

lol

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play the fighter:|

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#11 Posted by Ninja-Hippo (23434 posts) -
It has an awesome counter system, i'll give it that. I just found DOA4 really dull after a few hours. It gets old very quickly.
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#12 Posted by Coyo7e (3672 posts) -
DOA4 is not a bad fighter. It is better then SC4.
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#13 Posted by DarkChrisss1995 (802 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkChrisss1995"]I played DoA for only ten minutes,and the game was Extreme Volleyball,or something like that.I thought it was boring,but it had pretty good graphics.killerfist

lol

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play the fighter:|

No thanks,I saw enough from the volleyball DoA.

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#14 Posted by Miss_Wacy (1911 posts) -
i only liked 1-3, 4 was a croack
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#15 Posted by MetroidPrimePwn (12399 posts) -

They're not bad, I rather like the DoA series, but it's not Virtua Fighter 5/Soul Calibur good, and on System Wars, every game that isn't widely considered the best game ever made in its genre is considered to be absolutely terrible.

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#16 Posted by bushidotu (1495 posts) -
Wat are u talking about DOA is one of the best fighting games ever its up there with tekken. well to me it is.
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#17 Posted by st1ka (8179 posts) -
[QUOTE="killerfist"]

[QUOTE="DarkChrisss1995"]I played DoA for only ten minutes,and the game was Extreme Volleyball,or something like that.I thought it was boring,but it had pretty good graphics.DarkChrisss1995

lol

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play the fighter:|

No thanks,I saw enough from the volleyball DoA.

that's like saying you played mario party and now you never want to see another mario game again

anyway as far as i'm concerned DOA 4 = awesomeness

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#18 Posted by Miss_Wacy (1911 posts) -
i prefer tekken alot more, but DOA is a good series
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#19 Posted by zaid55 (1132 posts) -
Im a tekken and DOA fan and i really like DOA alot. Its fast paced and does not have a 100+ combos for each person, has great graphics and a counter system.
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#20 Posted by 12345yon (1073 posts) -

is it just me or 75% of ppl bought DOA:Xtreme bolleyball 2 just for the graphics?

this kids

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#21 Posted by Nerkcon (4707 posts) -

is it just me or 75% of ppl bought DOA:Xtreme bolleyball 2 just for the graphics?

this kids

12345yon

For the character models, actually. :P

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#22 Posted by killerfist (20090 posts) -
[QUOTE="12345yon"]

is it just me or 75% of ppl bought DOA:Xtreme bolleyball 2 just for the graphics?

this kids

Nerkcon

For the character models, actually. :P

and the physics..
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#23 Posted by Saturos3091 (14938 posts) -
Because DoA has just as poor balance as SC4 (SC4 is balanced other than Yoda/Starkiller), in fact it's even worse. The high tiers completely obliterate the low and bottom tiers and the fact you can button mash and win even against a skilled player makes the game less fun.
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#24 Posted by siggy3 (453 posts) -
It's not bad, I think it's really good. But the fighting system needs some more polishing. For example, a missed counter has a shorter recovery time than a missed throw which means there is too little risk in spamming counters (especially low ones).
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#25 Posted by st1ka (8179 posts) -
[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="12345yon"]

is it just me or 75% of ppl bought DOA:Xtreme bolleyball 2 just for the graphics?

this kids

killerfist

For the character models, actually. :P

and the physics..

and the... i got nothing

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#26 Posted by BubbyJello (2750 posts) -
Because that's how it was developed :?
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#27 Posted by c02z (1840 posts) -
tekken >>>>>>>>>> DOA + SC4
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#28 Posted by Senor_Kami (8529 posts) -

DOA isn't a bad fighting game. The characters are balanced. Because of that I could never really say it was bad (unless I pulled some insanely extreme examples... that DOA series clearly wouldn't fit into), but its just different. It seperates itself from other fighters. You either like it because of that or you dislike it because its not like something else.

is it just me or 75% of ppl bought DOA:Xtreme bolleyball 2 just for the graphics?

this kids

12345yon

Just you. I say 99% of people purcahsed it for masturbation 20% purcahsed for masturbation and because they love games where you have to collect alot of stuff. 25% purcahsed it because they think a volleyball game would be fun to watch, plus at worst they can use it for masturbation 1% has no plans of masturbation and either just wanted a game where you can collect stuff or were fooled into thinking it was a serious volleyball sim.

Especially 2. My friend has it (yes its my friend, check my gamercard if you doubt) and the volleyball mechanics are really kinda crappy. The camera is bad and you often can't really position your characters to hits because you can't see them when the ball is on the other team's side. Things like that show that the volleyball as a gameplay mechanic was an afterthought and it was more like, "We can't make a strip club simulator, but I do want to have a bunch of women running around half naked with their breast bouncing and wearing thongs... what will allow us to do that?" And everyone decided volleyball was the way to make it happen, and nobody would be upset when there were no male characters (unlike how it would be for a fighting game).

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#29 Posted by killerfist (20090 posts) -
[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="12345yon"]

is it just me or 75% of ppl bought DOA:Xtreme bolleyball 2 just for the graphics?

this kids

st1ka

For the character models, actually. :P

and the physics..

and the... i got nothing

exactly:P
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#30 Posted by excelR83 (2932 posts) -

Unbalanced, too much button mash, forgettable characters, emphasis on style (big boobs) over substance (deep combos, balance).

I don't hate it, I just tend to be really biased towards Tekken. The only fighters I like these days that aren't named Tekken are Soulcalibur and Virtua Fighter.

In the old days it was Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Killer Instinct, King of Fighters... Battle Arena Toshinden was kinda like a precursor to Soulcalibur, I thought it was fun, but I was like 11 the last time I played it so I don't know if it still holds any water. There was also this banned 4 player 3D fighter on PSone that I had a EU copy of, it was ridiculously violent... mental patients killing eachother was the premise. Played surprisingly well. I also had some fun with the first two Def Jams and the Wu Tang clan fighter. HOO! HAA!

Side note, does anyone remember an exclusive Sega Genesis fighter? I am blanking on the name, but it had sort of Street Fighter-esque graphics... the only character I definitely remember was a lizard/serpent guy with a trident.

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#31 Posted by 12345yon (1073 posts) -
[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="12345yon"]

is it just me or 75% of ppl bought DOA:Xtreme bolleyball 2 just for the graphics?

this kids

killerfist

For the character models, actually. :P

and the physics..

and the... i got nothing

exactly:P

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and the costumes..

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#32 Posted by DementedDragon (5095 posts) -

I'm surprised anyone would consider it bad, I mean it's a hybrid mix of two great franchises (Virtua Fighter & Tekken), with it's own unique flair (multi-tiered, interactive environments.) The characters have their own personal techniques and the only 'unbalanced' one's are the ninjas, but that doesn't mean they're unbeatable.

DOA has come a long way to become the good fighter it is today.

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#33 Posted by AzatiS (13712 posts) -

Its not bad , who said that...

Its just too easy mash button game without the depth of other 3d fighters. Thats why.. Imo

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#34 Posted by st1ka (8179 posts) -

Unbalanced, too much button mash, forgettable characters, emphasis on style (big boobs) over substance (deep combos, balance).

I don't hate it, I just tend to be really biased towards Tekken. The only fighters I like these days that aren't named Tekken are Soulcalibur and Virtua Fighter.

In the old days it was Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Killer Instinct, King of Fighters... Battle Arena Toshinden was kinda like a precursor to Soulcalibur, I thought it was fun, but I was like 11 the last time I played it so I don't know if it still holds any water. There was also this banned 4 player 3D fighter on PSone that I had a EU copy of, it was ridiculously violent... mental patients killing eachother was the premise. Played surprisingly well. I also had some fun with the first two Def Jams and the Wu Tang clan fighter. HOO! HAA!

Side note, does anyone remember an exclusive Sega Genesis fighter? I am blanking on the name, but it had sort of Street Fighter-esque graphics... the only character I definitely remember was a lizard/serpent guy with a trident.

excelR83

Battle arena toshiden suffers from pretty much everything you just said :|

the sega game you're talking about is eternal champions which also suffers from everything you just said

and i always thought DOA 4 was pretty balanced (except for the boss battles)

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#35 Posted by ONLYDOD (6026 posts) -
I don't think they're bad, DOA games are great, they aren't my personal favorites though.
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#36 Posted by Swift_Boss_A (14579 posts) -
I like DOA but I don't buying it for he fighting lol, gameplay wise its entertaining but hollow and easy as heck. Tekken is the fighter for me, addictive and deep.
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#37 Posted by JLF1 (8263 posts) -
Because DoA has just as poor balance as SC4 (SC4 is balanced other than Yoda/Starkiller), in fact it's even worse. The high tiers completely obliterate the low and bottom tiers and the fact you can button mash and win even against a skilled player makes the game less fun.
Saturos3091

Like Tekken then.
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#38 Posted by skektek (6443 posts) -
2 reasons: 1.Mannequin pr0n graphics 2.Button mashing.
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#39 Posted by JLF1 (8263 posts) -
Why do people mention that the DoA games are unbalanced and shallow and then mention Tekken as a good fighting game?

I can agree that Virtua Fighter is a much more deep and balanced fighter but Tekken is not.
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#40 Posted by waynehead895 (18660 posts) -

I love DoA 4. But the Ninjas are unbalanced. Go against a SS with 2 Ninjas in tag and he's pulling 15-20 hit juggle combos. It's amazing to watch them pull it off but it's frustrating when you're getting your ass kicked that bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2R6JQDVvfY

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#41 Posted by waynehead895 (18660 posts) -
What makes DoA 4 Shallow? I keep hearing peole say this but I don't see it.
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#42 Posted by JLF1 (8263 posts) -

What makes DoA 4 Shallow? I keep hearing peole say this but I don't see it.waynehead895

People are getting owned on the game and claims it's the games fault, same reason they claim that SSBB is shallow.

People don't know how to counter.

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#43 Posted by wmc540 (2620 posts) -
[QUOTE="killerfist"]

[QUOTE="DarkChrisss1995"]I played DoA for only ten minutes,and the game was Extreme Volleyball,or something like that.I thought it was boring,but it had pretty good graphics.DarkChrisss1995

lol

....

play the fighter:|

No thanks,I saw enough from the volleyball DoA.

Is this guy serious or just a troll?

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#44 Posted by waynehead895 (18660 posts) -

[QUOTE="waynehead895"]What makes DoA 4 Shallow? I keep hearing peole say this but I don't see it.JLF1


People are getting owned on the game and claims it's the games fault, same reason they claim that SSBB is shallow.

People don't know how to counter.

Most of the good people don't even spam counters. Each missed counter is more damage taken from you. They only counter when they are pretty sure at anticipating the next move.
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#45 Posted by Saturos3091 (14938 posts) -
[QUOTE="Saturos3091"]Because DoA has just as poor balance as SC4 (SC4 is balanced other than Yoda/Starkiller), in fact it's even worse. The high tiers completely obliterate the low and bottom tiers and the fact you can button mash and win even against a skilled player makes the game less fun.
JLF1

Like Tekken then.



Yes it's very similar to Tekken. At least SC is balanced other than the bonus characters, and VF and SF are generally fairly balanced series as well. Tekken and DoA are quite similar. If only the Ninjas in DoA4 weren't so ridiculous it would've been a much more balanced game.
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#46 Posted by speedsix (1076 posts) -

Side note, does anyone remember an exclusive Sega Genesis fighter? I am blanking on the name, but it had sort of Street Fighter-esque graphics... the only character I definitely remember was a lizard/serpent guy with a trident.

excelR83

Eternal Champions

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#47 Posted by D00nut (7618 posts) -
Well it's much more balanced than SC4 since the button smashing is easily dealt with in DOA4 with counters.
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#48 Posted by ALTAIR360 (1408 posts) -

I played DoA for only ten minutes,and the game was Extreme Volleyball,or something like that.I thought it was boring,but it had pretty good graphics.DarkChrisss1995

i've also played with snake in super smash bro.

wooow i never knew mgs4 was soo horrible.

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#49 Posted by blogthis (48 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkChrisss1995"]I played DoA for only ten minutes,and the game was Extreme Volleyball,or something like that.I thought it was boring,but it had pretty good graphics.ALTAIR360

i've also played with snake in super smash bro.

wooow i never knew mgs4 was soo horrible.

Metal gear solid 4 was not crappy.

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#50 Posted by no_handlebars (1774 posts) -
[QUOTE="ALTAIR360"]

[QUOTE="DarkChrisss1995"]I played DoA for only ten minutes,and the game was Extreme Volleyball,or something like that.I thought it was boring,but it had pretty good graphics.blogthis

i've also played with snake in super smash bro.

wooow i never knew mgs4 was soo horrible.

Metal gear solid 4 was not crappy.

Maybe he thinks its opposite day.