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#1 shungokustasu
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Do you realize you taking opinion over logic reasoning? We all played games that recieved AAA and thought AA. We played games that recieved A and thought AAA. Why we going by ratings still? We have to be smarter than this. To take someone else opinion, and say that it is the standard. What if you disagree with him? You have that right. How can we say a game is better than your game logically? Which is better Oblivion or GeoW? Well, Gamespot says neither. Do you agree? What if I said, Well more people bought GeoW than Oblivion so it's the better choice. Would you agree then? How does Billboard rate there top 100? How does the Stock Market rate the top companies? How do we determine the winner of a console in a generation? The answer is sales. Sure it's not the pefect way to determine the winner, but wouldn't you agree it's better than a emotional opinion? Gouki vs. Yun
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#2 CJL13
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To claim ownage, that's just how SW works.
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#3 CaseyWegner
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not everybody who buys a product ends up liking it.
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#4 Spartan070
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So 50 Cent: Bulletproof is a better game than Ninja Gaiden?
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#5 whoisryanmack
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system wars cannot be explained by reason.
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#6 GundamGuy0
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So 50 Cent: Bulletproof is a better game than Ninja Gaiden?Spartan070


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#7 Strakha
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Proving one game is better than another is questionable at best using any means but I think most of us can agree Okami > 50 cent bulletproof.

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#8 game_fanatic
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that's the way things work, i don't understand but that's the way it is.
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]So 50 Cent: Bulletproof is a better game than Ninja Gaiden?GundamGuy0


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#10 Tony_aaaa
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Sales is a worthless indication. Myst was an all-time multiplatform best seller and it's total garbage. System shock 2 was outsold by quake 2 which is a better game? We go by ratings as gamers are interested in good games, not winning a popularity contest.

Opinions over logic???  Who's logic? EA's marketing dept?

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#11 shungokustasu
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So 50 Cent: Bulletproof is a better game than Ninja Gaiden?Spartan070
like I said it's not the best system to judge, but Someone might think 50 cent is better than Ninja Gaiden. I mean it sold more than Ninja Gaiden than obviously it had something Ninja Gaiden didn't.
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So 50 Cent: Bulletproof is a better game than Ninja Gaiden?Spartan070

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#13 shungokustasu
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not everybody who buys a product ends up liking it.CaseyWegner
And your point?
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#14 Spartan070
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]So 50 Cent: Bulletproof is a better game than Ninja Gaiden?shungokustasu
like I said it's not the best system to judge, but Someone might think 50 cent is better than Ninja Gaiden. I mean it sold more than Ninja Gaiden than obviously it had something Ninja Gaiden didn't.

Well, it had a celebrity...
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#15 Strakha
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Sales is a worthless indication. Myst was an all-time multiplatform best seller and it's total garbage. System shock 2 was outsold by quake 2 which is a better game? We go by ratings as gamers are interested in good games, not winning a popularity contest.Tony_aaaa

Well it's popularity with game critics or the general public no matter which one is used. So it is a popularity contest unless you just go by your own opinion and don't even care about trying to prove the games you like are better than the games someone else likes.

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Sales is a worthless indication. Myst was an all-time multiplatform best seller and it's total garbage. System shock 2 was outsold by quake 2 which is a better game? We go by ratings as gamers are interested in good games, not winning a popularity contest.

Opinions over logic??? Who's logic? EA's marketing dept?

Tony_aaaa
Prime example. You think Quake 2 is better than System Shock 2 therefore it's true for everybody? And you can not speak for majority because the majority pick System shock 2...
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so what about horrible games which sell well?
 

seriously, i've said it before, your posts are so empty of logic it scares me.
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#18 Mr_Cumberdale
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]So 50 Cent: Bulletproof is a better game than Ninja Gaiden?Spartan070
like I said it's not the best system to judge, but Someone might think 50 cent is better than Ninja Gaiden. I mean it sold more than Ninja Gaiden than obviously it had something Ninja Gaiden didn't.

Well, it had a celebrity...

It had "gangsters". :-(
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I will take a Ferrari over a Toyota.
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#20 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]So 50 Cent: Bulletproof is a better game than Ninja Gaiden?Spartan070
like I said it's not the best system to judge, but Someone might think 50 cent is better than Ninja Gaiden. I mean it sold more than Ninja Gaiden than obviously it had something Ninja Gaiden didn't.

Well, it had a celebrity...

Can you tell me that is better to hear an opinion what's is the best than a set mathmatical standard?
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#22 shungokustasu
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so what about horrible games which sell well?


seriously, i've said it before, your posts are so empty of logic it scares me.
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you right I have horrible logic. So does billboards, stock market, NPD, and all the other people who goes by sales.
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#23 Hewkii
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Sales is a worthless indication. Myst was an all-time multiplatform best seller and it's total garbage.

Tony_aaaa
no it isn't.
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]so what about horrible games which sell well?


seriously, i've said it before, your posts are so empty of logic it scares me.
shungokustasu
you right I have horrible logic. So does billboards, stock market, NPD, and all the other people who goes by sales.

wow, using stuff like billboard, the stock market, and NPD (which is simpply a list of sales figures0 to back up an arguement about the use of sales over ratings only further proves my statement.
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#26 shadow_lord_11
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i guess the sims is a better game than metroid prime, halo, MGS, SSBM, NG, KOTOR, Gears, oblivion, gran turismo, FF, and pretty much every game ever. 
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#27 pins_basic
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]so what about horrible games which sell well?


seriously, i've said it before, your posts are so empty of logic it scares me.
shungokustasu
you right I have horrible logic. So does billboards, stock market, NPD, and all the other people who goes by sales.

:lol: WTH are you talking about? NPD and Billboard only track how much they sold, not which is any good. I don't know why are you bringing up the stock market:| Is your favorite movie Titanic?
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#28 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]I disagree. I'd rather have a review to decide how good something is than whether a million morons somewhere did. Did Okami even sell 150k?

Coke or Pepsi?
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#30 Strakha
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]so what about horrible games which sell well?


seriously, i've said it before, your posts are so empty of logic it scares me.
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you right I have horrible logic. So does billboards, stock market, NPD, and all the other people who goes by sales.

:lol: WTH are you talking about? NPD and Billboard only track how much they sold, not which is any good. I don't know why are you bringing up the stock market:| Is your favorite movie Titanic?

Movie critics loved Titanic didn't they? So going by Gamespot scores would be similar to using Titanic reviews to prove it's one of the best movies ever. As I said before using any method to prove one game is better than another is questionable.

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#31 Tony_aaaa
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[QUOTE="Tony_aaaa"]

Sales is a worthless indication. Myst was an all-time multiplatform best seller and it's total garbage. System shock 2 was outsold by quake 2 which is a better game? We go by ratings as gamers are interested in good games, not winning a popularity contest.

Opinions over logic??? Who's logic? EA's marketing dept?

shungokustasu
Prime example. You think Quake 2 is better than System Shock 2 therefore it's true for everybody? And you can not speak for majority because the majority pick System shock 2...

Learn to read, I picked Shock over Quake despite that, Quake outsold Shock.
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]so what about horrible games which sell well?


seriously, i've said it before, your posts are so empty of logic it scares me.
shadow_lord_11
you right I have horrible logic. So does billboards, stock market, NPD, and all the other people who goes by sales.

wow, using stuff like billboard, the stock market, and NPD (which is simpply a list of sales figures0 to back up an arguement about the use of sales over ratings only further proves my statement.

Instead of insulting my logic how about showing some of yours. Also NPD does put out a list of Top 10 in each catergory the survey. You don't even realize it, but you a man who only seeks flasehood.
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#33 buckfush311
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I choose ratings over sales because if it is easily consumable by the masses (resulting in high sales) chances are it's mediocre crap that is...easily consumable.
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#34 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]I disagree. I'd rather have a review to decide how good something is than whether a million morons somewhere did. Did Okami even sell 150k?

Coke or Pepsi?

As the dude above you said: Is the best movie ever Titanic? Absopositively not. Yet, it sold a crapload. Works the same for games. Sales =/= mean anything.

What is the best movie?
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I choose ratings over sales because if it is easily consumable by the masses (resulting in high sales) chances are it's mediocre crap that is...easily consumable.buckfush311
what!!! rating goes by no masses. It's one or a group of people sitting around stating their opinion.
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#37 pins_basic
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[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]so what about horrible games which sell well?


seriously, i've said it before, your posts are so empty of logic it scares me.
Strakha

you right I have horrible logic. So does billboards, stock market, NPD, and all the other people who goes by sales.

:lol: WTH are you talking about? NPD and Billboard only track how much they sold, not which is any good. I don't know why are you bringing up the stock market:| Is your favorite movie Titanic?

Movie critics loved Titanic didn't they? So going by Gamespot scores would be similar to using Titanic reviews to prove it's one of the best movies ever. As I said before using any method to prove one game is better than another is questionable.

Are you not trying to argue that reviews are worthless? What I asked was is Titanic your favorite movie? Casablanca has made less then 2M while Titanic has made nearly 2B, your logic is flawed.
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#38 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"] What is the best movie?

Something I choose based on my own. I usually pick which movies to see based on sales, critics, and user ratings. Same with games. There's no one single option. You need to use them all to decide which is worthy.

You missing the bus. I'm not saying what is the best for YOU!!!! I'm saying what is the best way to judge for the masses. Since the masses always have a different opinion on one topic. How can we just go by one?
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#39 pins_basic
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]so what about horrible games which sell well?


seriously, i've said it before, your posts are so empty of logic it scares me.
shungokustasu
you right I have horrible logic. So does billboards, stock market, NPD, and all the other people who goes by sales.

wow, using stuff like billboard, the stock market, and NPD (which is simpply a list of sales figures0 to back up an arguement about the use of sales over ratings only further proves my statement.

Instead of insulting my logic how about showing some of yours. Also NPD does put out a list of Top 10 in each catergory the survey. You don't even realize it, but you a man who only seeks flasehood.

NPD doesn't judge quality, it just tracks sales:|
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Britney spears is a better musician then Sarah McLachlan, Spiderman is a better movie then Crash, Burgerking has better food then Tony Romas.
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#42 shungokustasu
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[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]so what about horrible games which sell well?


seriously, i've said it before, your posts are so empty of logic it scares me.
pins_basic
you right I have horrible logic. So does billboards, stock market, NPD, and all the other people who goes by sales.

wow, using stuff like billboard, the stock market, and NPD (which is simpply a list of sales figures0 to back up an arguement about the use of sales over ratings only further proves my statement.

Instead of insulting my logic how about showing some of yours. Also NPD does put out a list of Top 10 in each catergory the survey. You don't even realize it, but you a man who only seeks flasehood.

NPD doesn't judge quality, it just tracks sales:|

Dude they have a Top 10 on the website go look.
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#43 cakeorrdeath
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So we are going to judge the quality of a game by its advertising budget now?
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[QUOTE="pins_basic"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]so what about horrible games which sell well?


seriously, i've said it before, your posts are so empty of logic it scares me.
shungokustasu
you right I have horrible logic. So does billboards, stock market, NPD, and all the other people who goes by sales.

wow, using stuff like billboard, the stock market, and NPD (which is simpply a list of sales figures0 to back up an arguement about the use of sales over ratings only further proves my statement.

Instead of insulting my logic how about showing some of yours. Also NPD does put out a list of Top 10 in each catergory the survey. You don't even realize it, but you a man who only seeks flasehood.

NPD doesn't judge quality, it just tracks sales:|

Dude they have a Top 10 on the website go look.

Link?
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Britney spears is a better musician then Sarah McLachlan, Spiderman is a better movie then Crash, Burgerking has better food then Tony Romas. natrone06
Sales wise yes, yes, and yes. I can't go by your personal opinion because quite frankly they're personal.
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#47 shungokustasu
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So we are going to judge the quality of a game by its advertising budget now?cakeorrdeath
Movies and the Music industry does it. Why can't video games?
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#48 cakeorrdeath
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[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]So we are going to judge the quality of a game by its advertising budget now?shungokustasu
Movies and the Music industry does it. Why can't video games?



No they don't

Oscars aren't dependant on ticket sales neither are 90% of music awards.
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Do you realize you taking opinion over logic reasoning? We all played games that recieved AAA and thought AA. We played games that recieved A and thought AAA. Why we going by ratings still? We have to be smarter than this. To take someone else opinion, and say that it is the standard. What if you disagree with him? You have that right. How can we say a game is better than your game logically? Which is better Oblivion or GeoW? Well, Gamespot says neither. Do you agree? What if I said, Well more people bought GeoW than Oblivion so it's the better choice. Would you agree then? How does Billboard rate there top 100? How does the Stock Market rate the top companies? How do we determine the winner of a console in a generation? The answer is sales. Sure it's not the pefect way to determine the winner, but wouldn't you agree it's better than a emotional opinion? Gouki vs. Yunshungokustasu

It should be a combination of both. If a game gets high ratings from 30+ reviewers and it also sells 1 million copies, it's pretty safe to say the game is worth a purchase. Unfortunately there have been some games that were terrible and yet still sold over 500,000 copies because of the brand name. In this case, you wouldn't want to go with sales, but with the reviews. I would take reviews over sales any day. Just look at Pyschonauts and Beyond Good & Evil. Two games that didn't sell well, but got great reviews. I own both of them now, because I read many reviews about each game and now I'm glad I purchased them.

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#50 A_zombie
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Why we see ratings over sales?

50 Cent Bulletproof... critically poor but sold crazy

Okami... critically acclaimed game but sold poor

Thats why :|