Why does Xbox lack 3rd party brand exclusives?

Ongoing, doesn't matter if previous entry is on another platform, future titles are exclusives, known timed exclusives or PC does not count

PlayStation:

• Persona (main series)
• Yakuza (main series)
• Tales (main series) PC now
• Godzilla
• Onechanbara
• Deception IV
• Nier 2

Nintendo:

• Shin Megami Tensei
• Bravely Default
• Phoenix Wright
• Sonic
• Monster Hunter

Why doesn't Xbox have many or any at all? Consoles are very similar now but if Sony can nab a few then why can't Microsoft?

@Legend002: Actually they're has been many of them since last generation and your post is yet another example of hyperbolized fanbot propaganda. Mass Effect was 2nd party exclusive, PGR too however it was also 2nd party. Battlestations series, two games, also appeared only on Xbox not on PS. Same for Football Manager up til certain point, Tropico games also used to come out on Xbox only on consoles up till very recently. I could list dozens of examples. Whatever you listed for Sony is rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things, apart from cult but still niche Persona and the latest Yakuza game hasn't come out in the West.

@Salt_The_Fries: Yeah so not third party and "up until a certain point"? Really, those don't count because PS had a ton with the PS2 if we counted those.

Look at that list, then you'll get your answer.

There isn't a list for Xbox and that's the question. Why?

PC get a ton of them though and that market isn't much bigger than Xbox in Japan.

MS did a good of nabbing one in Scalebound but we need to see some gameplay. Phill or someone was good for getting these guys before Sony. Still Sony got up with Platnum for Nier 2 so that is 1 for 1 but we have actually seen gameplay for Nier although Sclaebound was announced a year ago.

Japanese devs have become a major factor this gen. Their high profile developers are making some of the best games even more so than last gen. Securing Japanese devs is the factor that is leading PS4 to getting more high quality 3rd party games.

The fact that Street Fighter V and Shenmue 3 aren't going to be on xbox one is huge.

However, the PC does much better for niche Japanese games, which that list mainly consists of. The xbox does very poorly in Japan and their games don't sell on the system in the west.

They're showing off Scalebound, Quantum Break and Crackdown at Gamescom, so like a month from now.

Doesn't matter why.... They're not supposed and I would prefer if the others didn't either.

@playharderfool: Scalebound is going to be huge for sure and it's a AAA title invested by Microsoft so it's a second party game. I see Scalebound and SFV to be the better comparison because I doubt Sony is involved in anyway with the new Nier development. Japan is definitely playing a bigger role this gen and the proof is with 2015's E3 with 3 of the biggest announcement being Japanese titles(TLG, FFVIIR, Shenmue). Than you have FFXV, Kingdom Hearts 3 and Persona 5. KH and Persona skipped a WHOLE generation and the Japanese gaming market tanked.

Quantum Break already looks great, I'll look forward to seeing Scalebound on pins and needles

It's almost next to impossible to release third party exclusives in the West with current status quo of that market. Even indie "exclusives" are timed at most. That's your answer. All the games you listed are designed specifically to appeal to the Japanese market.

@Legend002: Three games you listed, TLGR, Shenmue 3 and FFVIIR are urban legends / vaporware and very far away from being released so please hold off your wet nostalgic dreams.

they haven't even started developing shenmue 3, how do you know it is vaporware?

First, how many of those games aren't Japanese developed? I've recognized for a long time that there is a national loyalty in Japan. I was actually talking about this on Wed with a friend. He said "could you imagine any dev like say Bethesda, just started making Fallout and ES only on Xbox because they are an American studio?" I love that national pride in Japanese.

Is that why the wholely American audience and media went crazy when FFVII remake, The Last Gurdian and Shenmue 3 were announced? In fact, System wars itself was lit on fire when these games were announced.

Let me remind you TGS is in the fall and that is where the Japanese market is and there is where Japanese gamers will react to what ever games these companies show. E3 is a western/american gaming convention.

To say these games "appeal" to the Japanese market simply because they are Japanese games is very flawed logic. In fact, if that was the case MS wouldn't have contacted Platinum to do Scalebound or put Recore at the fore front of this years E3 as it's new big IP...headed by a Japanese dev.

If you don't understand the importance of these Japanese games in the west this gen, MS sure does.

Scalebound and Recore = the biggest new IP MS has announced..headed or developed by Japanese devs.

@kinectthedots: Did you just compare games like Nier and other obscure ones from the OP to TLG, FFVII and Shenmue? Games already targeted at worldwide audience? Don't you see the flaw in your logic?

On the flip side, how many WRPGs and games did PS3 miss out on last gen?

A shit ton I can tell you.

• Big western games timed excluive or never on PS3:

• Mass Effect, one year exclusive on 360
• The Witcher 2, console exclusive 360
• Bioshock, timed exclusive on 360

And tons of smaller western titles as well, but to throw a monkey wrench in the whole idea about nationalism because 360 EVEN got more Japanese exclusives and timed games against PS3 last gen.

• Tales of Vesperia, timed exclusive on 360 never localized for PS3
• Star Ocean IV, year timed exclusive on 360
• Eternal Sonata, year timed exclusive on 360
• Enchanted Arms, time exclusive on 360
• Ninja Gaiden Black 2 exclusive on 360 kinda
• Lost Planet, exclusive to 360

Whoopse, seems the whole nationalistic idea doesn't pan out at all for you here.

So I would like to submit a more logical argument for why this was so instead of nationalistic pride or favoritism and that is sales disparity and demographics.

Last gen PS3 was struggling with sales for many reason and 360 had already become a household name and was the goto HD console of the generation. 360 had market power and was the "bro" machine so to speak. It already had a western appeal so most people who liked western games would get a 360 anyway.

Flip that over to this gen and the same argument can be made except with Japanese games for PS4 and we all know xbox one sales in japan are non-existent.

PS4 simply has the sales advantage and demographics which is why they are getting these games as it was reversed with 360 last gen.

"All the games you listed are designed specifically to appeal to the Japanese market."

Shrug, that was your comment. Seems as if you need to address your original flawed argument before trying to create another one.

You didn't say anything at all about world wide appeal, scale or type...you said:

"All the games you listed are designed specifically to appeal to the Japanese market."

Deal with that, because that was what I responded to.

@Legend002: PC versions are for the western market, who actually buys these games.

hell, many ps4 versions of jp games are FOR the west market too.

Sadly, it seems the xbox playerbase isn't interested in them. Plus, in addition to good sales numbers, PC versions don't have console fees and can released digital, while console games usually need physical to sell well.

After that, it's the indie parity clase and Sony delas like SF5, Grim Fandango, etc

@deadline-zero0: That's a pretty good and reasonable explanation, thanks.

Whoa there titty attack when did I say this is the way it is? I said I like, as in admire Japanese national pride and that I and another discussed this topic. I never said we came to any fool proof conclusions about it.

As far as what happened on 360 what does that have to do with now? You say X1 sales in Japan are non existent but what? The 360 was a barn burner in japan? Yeah not quite.

Sorry, that version of the story last-gen doesn't paint a whole picture. Take a look at the release dates of those timed exclusives; all of them came out between 2006 and 2009, or at the very beginning of the gen. This was during a period where Microsoft and Xbox Japan made a huge push into Japan, attempting to capitalize on the PS3's launch problems. Almost every major 360 Japanese exclusive came to PS3 eventually once it started doing better or once the timed exclusivity deal wore off. This is especially true in Japan.

The reverse was true from 2010 to 2015, and the 360 was left out of many Japanese games from that time period. The final tally would almost certainly favor the PS3, not the 360. For one, there were still some high profile PS3 exclusives in this early period, like Metal Gear Solid 4, Valkyria Chronicles and Disgaea 3 - exclusives which, I would add, never came to 360. Then in the latter period came Ni No Kuni, Atelier Rorona Plus/Atelier Escha & Logy/Atelier Shallie, Kingdom Hearts 1.5 and 2.5 Remix, Dragon's Crown, Disgaea 4, Yakuza 3 and 4, Under Night In-Birth Exe:Late, etc.

From what I've seen so far, PS4 is just continuing the trend toward the PS3 which already started back in 2010. Games like Persona 5 were originally announced as PS3 exclusives, after all.

Uh.....that's a stupid statement. Those games appeal to more than the Japanese market. It also doesn't preclude MS having exclusives.

While reading I translated that list into shit, shit and more shit.

Games you can't play are shit by default, we get it already foxy.

@Legend002: everything I say is based on fact. Seriously. That list wouldn't appeal to me if it was free. You can keep it.

My taste is complimented by Xbox.

So your taste is bland.

There are a few time when you "lol" in real time when reading a post, this was one of those times.

LMAO.

Ask Phil Spencer its all apart of his new plan at xbox...zero games not on pc/ps4 i wouldn't be surprised if xbox 360/ps3/wiiU/vita starts outselling xboner soon with his leadership.

i don't think you know what the word exclusive means, none of those games were ever exclusive. "Not on PS" has become the number 1 idiotic excuse for you lembots, but that doesn't make a game exclusive, want me to give you a dictionary?

And I remember the original Xbox had a lot of exclusive games coming from Japanese developers back then and it but now, the rules have change. Xbox brand is just not as popular as it used to be and MS still has that DRM backlash that a lot of developers weren't happy about, not to mention, Indie developers were being treated like crap coming from MS.

Og xbox had loads. So did 360. Xbox one not so much yet.

Third party

Exclusives

Pick one.

Not really. For example, Platinum and From Software are 3rd party development studios, but make an exclusive contract for particular games, like Bayonetta 2, Scalebound and Bloodborne.

I hope it's not left over from MS dropping core in 2009.

@Legend002: You'll notice that most of them are Japanese made and their type of games. Microsoft should do this with American games as well though. They probably will once Win10/DX12 is released on XB1. I expect a lot of PC games will be ported to XB1, but never go to the PS4 because it won't support Win10/DX12. Still Microsoft would be smart to get some 3rd party exclusive games. The difference with the Japanese 3rd party exclusives is they just choose to make their games on the PS4 and skip the XB1 because it's doing terrible in Japan. Sony isn't paying for these 3rd party exclusives. It's just Japanese developers not bothering with bring their games other game consoles.

third party console exclusives are dying, just looking at your own you list you just listed Japanese games which has no market on Xbox, console 3rd party exclusives nowadays is taking advantage of indie devs being small by offering them a little money to make the game exclusive or at least timed.

You won't be able to bank on Japanese to continue making third party exclusives as they're starting to get ported to PC more. You even crossed out the Tales series.

@Legend002: You'll notice that most of them are Japanese made and their type of games. Microsoft should do this with American games as well though. They probably will once Win10/DX12 is released on XB1. I expect a lot of PC games will be ported to XB1, but never go to the PS4 because it won't support Win10/DX12. Still Microsoft would be smart to get some 3rd party exclusive games. The difference with the Japanese 3rd party exclusives is they just choose to make their games on the PS4 and skip the XB1 because it's doing terrible in Japan. Sony isn't paying for these 3rd party exclusives. It's just Japanese developers not bothering with bring their games other game consoles.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if America developers like EA, Activision, Valve and Take-Two Interactive decided to just make some of their games exclusive to XB1 the same way Namco, Capcom, Atlus and From Software does with the PS4. Imagine Mirrors Edge 2, Half Life 3, Grand Theft Auto VI and Destiny 2 never coming to the PS4. The same way games like Deep Down, SF5, Tales games, Persona games, don't come to the XB1. Would love to see fanboy reactions to that.

@XanderZane: Thst will never happen because there is a market for those games on PlayStation.

Rise of Tomb Raider? Sunset Overdrive?