Why do we continue to pretend Smash Bro is top tier?

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#201 Posted by Kali-B1rd (2146 posts) -
@BenjaminBanklin said:

You need some help moving all those goal posts? I bet they sure are heavy. LOL!

Make all the excuses you want, Sony has been stomping a mudhole in the collective Switch lineup with sweet new content. The only new IPs from Nintendo this gen was literal paper, and a dumb spaghetti-arm people game that they had the audacity to market like a tournament fighter. A game so weird and stupid they had to outsource to Platinum so they could take the heat for it. Nintendo and their non-fighters.

These are not good competitive games for people over 12. Too bad the median age of the average Nintendo fan is like, 35.

Yea, but the genre and SP/MP Diversity is far better.

Nah. When that "diversity" means terrible games with springy-arm people and playing with paper, then Nintendo can keep it.

Spiderman is not new, Bloodborne is a godamn damn purchased Souls games , Horizon ok.

a) It's new for Sony. Doesn't matter if it's an existing license, plus it's the first great Spidey game b) Aren't non-Sony fans tired of this dumb argument? Nintendo and Microsoft can't have it, and it's co-produced with Japan Studio. That's like saying ARMS isn't Nintendo's because it's mostly developed by Platinum, or Pokemon because they don't fully own the rights. Now what's up?

God of War tooks elements of souls and made itself better (or not if you liked tradional hack n slash) . Zelda took elements open world games and made it better (or not depending if you prefered linear zelda) ... don't be a hypocrite and hold one higher than the other.

I don't understand what you're arguing here. Both Breath of the Wild and God of War 2018 improved on their formulas significantly with a fresh overhaul. BotW is the game of the gen... too bad they had to borrow it from the Wii U for Switch to truly have a great game this gen. Seems like Switch has to depend on the Wii U library a LOT for good content.

Games are very good looking, Smash, Mario, Zelda and others, yea they rely on art-style over techinical... but hey only techinical matters, until you point out PC multiplats beat them LOL

No, they don't look good. They're cutting corners technically, they're extremely low res and ports of multiplats are in lower settings than the lowest PC setting. They look bad docked, and are vomitous undocked.

C'mon, man.

Yea, amazing exclusives that focus on gameplay over graphics, they know what they like. not movie games. "Oh hey, your excellent games are crap because they don't have a Ginger Woman with REAL HAIR RENDERING in a generic Ubisoft style TPS with robo dinos"

Yep, that's the jealousy talking. Too bad Nintendo will never do anything as ambitious as Sony and other major third party publishers. Breath of the Wild was the only thing, but it's held back by limited Nintendo hardware, per usual. Oh, and BotW borrows gameplay elements directly from Assassins Creed, climb anything, map unlocking towers etc. I believe you owe Ubisoft an apology.

For the basic b1tch xbox 360 value budget consumor casual yes.

Uh huh, because gamers would be so much better off buying Nintendo's over-priced and under-content kiddie games and paying for the worst online service ever on top of that.

3rd parties have improved immensely, not to mention bringing 3rd parties handheld (excellent) .. all console versions are far worse , at least they have portability.

Portability is not a good trade off for the ugly games the Switch is getting. You don't hear people bragging about mobile games for a reason. And no, they're not improving. Even if the game doesn't look like completely squintable trash, multiplat Switch games have to abandon features because of the limited format of the console. Storage space alone makes it not a good alternative to any version of a current gen game.

says the guy probably playing multiplats and shelved his little handful of exclusives to be played maybe once next generation as "amazing classics" lol.

At least Sony gave me great first party games with their console as reason to buy it. They're the best publisher of the current gen right now. Nintendo's gonna have so much downtime this gen it's not even funny. That's what happens when you buy a platform third parties are still iffy on supporting. They don't care if the Switch is a hit, they can't do anything with it. It's too underpowered. Plus too many Nintendo fans don't support them anyway. They still got mushrooms on the brain.

Another goal post mover. I'm sorry Nintendo is stuck in a permanent rut for the rest of their gaming days, and you're okay with that. Doesn't look like Nintendo has anymore GotYs up their sleeves for the rest of the Switch's lifetime. Too bad. Listen, you want you to pay full price for years for Nintendo's scant kiddie content that's on you. Grown men got to play the best of the best this year with GoW, RDR2, and Spider-Man leading the way. Nintendo can't hope to match that from this point on. Smash Bros is not a good alternative to that.

No adult should ever want to be caught dead playing a game like Animal Crossing and Pokemon. Nintendo consoles are for people whose shame died a long time a ago.

What goal post moving? what does (Exclusive) PS4 have this year? Last of Us? and that other Zombie game? what else? YAY another 2 TPS games... AMAZING VARIETY

Diversity - using the worst examples to bolster your argument is just sad, out of all the high rated Nintendo games over the years, going across SP/MP/LAN , Platformer/Racing/Strategy/RPG/SIM/Open World/Linear etc You can't honestly sit there without being a troll, and admit the range of high quality exclusive genre/sp/mp diversity is MUCH higher than SONY's current offerings. If you can't admit this, then your are a mindless "sheep" (ironically) end of.

Basic b1tch! - Not saying that, I don't care about the "lol if only one console was allowed, which is covers the most?" that is EXACTLY what basic b1tch is. I'm talking about best experiences, and PS4 is neither the best power-house, nor the most high quality exclusives, nor portable, nor best overall exclusive variety ... B A S I C JACK OF ALL B1TCH with 2 outstanding games as exceptions.

Portability / Ugly - You give a few bad examples and assume that's a norm? pathetic. Everyone expects Swithc multiplats to look/perform worse, it doesn't change my point Captain Goal Posts at it again.. you know, remember this example, THIS IS WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS.

Exclusives / Classics - "BUH BUH MAH PREFERENCE" - Nintendo has been around 2 years and has pumped out nearly as many high rated exclusives, but the same point in its life it would of surpassed Sony's offerings despite market leader by a landslide. Why? Because Nintendo as a Publishers has by far the most weight behind it on ANY platform. But hey, lets pretend God of War is enough on its own.

No GOTYs? who the f*ck cares about that? When another publisher offers alot more high quality games in one generation cycle? pathetic narrow goal.

What GOTYS does Sony have left? The Last of Us 2 - Looks its the same game we make, AGAIN? 5 years and market leader, count the games on one hand.

Only kids and teenagers care about looking like an adult, grow up ;-)

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#202 Edited by Litchie (23893 posts) -
@TheEroica said:

I guess the game is warming me a bit now. I really don't like how some of the battles in the spirit world are just so stacked against you, but it makes for a more incrimental pace... And adds some environmental variety so whatever I guess.

Unlocking character in spirit world is a drudge... I've played probably 30 matches and unlocked only a few fighters which is meh, because I just keep playing with Mario because he has the mos compelling move set with his decending spin and power uppercut. The water canon is a waste of time though...

Online I've only really dabbled in a few times, but I am genuinely enjoying my push to more fighters in the spirit world. I've found that auto selecting the best spirits is the way to go in matching up against fighters, but hopefully that'll change.

I think I may have missed the boat of this game being must have special throughout its history and I still really don't get how it's still so popular, but it's not a shallow game. The combat is fun and strategic and the more I play it, the more I like it.

Noice. About auto-selecting spirits, I usually did that as well, unless I knew I have the perfect spirit for a specific thing. Auto-selecting is usually fine, but it's easier to make yourself OP if you select them yourself. It's also pretty fun, I thought, to level them up and evolve them and shit. I really like the management thing the spirits has going on.

Main reason why Smash is popular: It's damn fun to play with other people. And as you say about the game being more fun for you now, Smash is something I had to play a lot of in order to enjoy it. I hated Smash Bros. at first when I played Melee for the first time. Found it dumb, annoying, messy, random. Took me a while to see what's fun with it, but after that while, I loved it. So if you're beginning to enjoy it now, it'll probably not take long until you wish you had someone near to you to enjoy it with. And epicly destroy with Mario. :P (since you're probably pretty good with him by now).

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#203 Posted by Fuhrer_D (865 posts) -

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... and these guys seem to love it lol

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Yo, that is light weight hot.

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#204 Posted by enzyme36 (4198 posts) -

@Fuhrer_D said:
@enzyme36 said:

... and these guys seem to love it lol

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Yo, that is light weight hot.

Im the original.... yall some echo fighters!!

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#205 Posted by TheEroica (18412 posts) -

@Litchie: Simon Belmont... One of my all time favorites.... He and I crush souls together now. Mario is on indefinite retirement.

I'm actually enjoying Link, Samus, Simon and I'll he damned but little Mac packs a punch....

Definitely a game that needs to be played alot to understand and appreciate.

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#206 Posted by Kali-B1rd (2146 posts) -
@TheEroica said:

@Litchie: Simon Belmont... One of my all time favorites.... He and I crush souls together now. Mario is on indefinite retirement.

I'm actually enjoying Link, Samus, Simon and I'll he damned but little Mac packs a punch....

Definitely a game that needs to be played alot to understand and appreciate.

Hes my favourite at the moment too. (also, Super Castlevania 4 is best Castlevania!)

The power of the Whip with Smash attacks is amazing, and despite being quite slow, his down-Smash and dash attacks make up for it! a great new addition.

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#207 Posted by deactivated-5c3c67cee15c8 (75 posts) -

@kali-b1rd: you surely look like a kid going mad over Sony in all your posts...

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#208 Posted by Kali-B1rd (2146 posts) -
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@kali-b1rd: you surely look like a kid going mad over Sony in all your posts...

This is system wars, I bash Cows the most, that's how it is.

Oh look, another alt. Go see a psychiatrist already Recloud.

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#209 Edited by deactivated-5c3c67cee15c8 (75 posts) -

@kali-b1rd: imagine using your free time to do that, huh...

Also, who?

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#210 Posted by Kali-B1rd (2146 posts) -
@gamer_lover said:

@kali-b1rd: imagine using your free time to do that, huh...

Also, who?

Multitasking mate, 3 monitors, not using a friggin console :D

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#211 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4639 posts) -
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@kali-b1rd: you surely look like a kid going mad over Sony in all your posts...

Just a typical Nintendo weirdo. You can't get a good argument from these people why any modern console gamer should put up with the overall inferior and antiquated experiences a Nintendo console offers. There's just still a lot of salt over Sony coming in the gaming market and putting them in a headlock 24 years ago. Not everyone is a mushroom-chasing party gamer.

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#212 Edited by Kali-B1rd (2146 posts) -
@BenjaminBanklin said:
@gamer_lover said:

@kali-b1rd: you surely look like a kid going mad over Sony in all your posts...

Just a typical Nintendo weirdo. You can't get a good argument from these people why any modern console gamer should put up with the overall inferior and antiquated experiences a Nintendo console offers. There's just still a lot of salt over Sony coming in the gaming market and putting them in a headlock 24 years ago. Not everyone is a mushroom-chasing party gamer.

Couldn't fight back on our previous argument so you have to hitch off a Re-Cloud/Geo alt? Be better.

Nah mate, I choose the superior PC, with a side of Nintendo and brush off the PS4 once a year. a stationary HTPC with the 3rd worst looking/performing versions of multiplats has little to offer outside of one exclusive a year.

I know the truth hurts, but those who have a PC, have very little reason to turn on a PS4, less so than a Switch.

KH3 seems tempting, but it will be on PC, I might wait.

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#213 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4639 posts) -
@kali-b1rd said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:
@gamer_lover said:

@kali-b1rd: you surely look like a kid going mad over Sony in all your posts...

Just a typical Nintendo weirdo. You can't get a good argument from these people why any modern console gamer should put up with the overall inferior and antiquated experiences a Nintendo console offers. There's just still a lot of salt over Sony coming in the gaming market and putting them in a headlock 24 years ago. Not everyone is a mushroom-chasing party gamer.

Couldn't fight back on our previous argument so you have to hitch off a Re-Cloud/Geo alt? Be better.

Nah mate, I choose the superior PC, with a side of Nintendo and brush off the PS4 once a year. a stationary HTPC with the 3rd worst looking/performing versions of multiplats has little to offer outside of one exclusive a year.

I know the truth hurts, but those who have a PC, have very little reason to turn on a PS4, less so than a Switch.

No, your arguments are just dumb and toddler-like and not even worth my time. Because you still kick and scream even after I systematically wreck your drivel. Nintendo cult members are indoctrinated beyond help, and I just laugh. And you're talking to a PC gamer. With a PS4 and PC what do I even need the other platforms for this gen?

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#214 Posted by Litchie (23893 posts) -
@kali-b1rd said:
@TheEroica said:

@Litchie: Simon Belmont... One of my all time favorites.... He and I crush souls together now. Mario is on indefinite retirement.

I'm actually enjoying Link, Samus, Simon and I'll he damned but little Mac packs a punch....

Definitely a game that needs to be played alot to understand and appreciate.

Hes my favourite at the moment too. (also, Super Castlevania 4 is best Castlevania!)

The power of the Whip with Smash attacks is amazing, and despite being quite slow, his down-Smash and dash attacks make up for it! a great new addition.

Agreed, he's awesome. Little Mac is a freaking beast as well. I also really like the changes they did with Ganondorf. Been playing him a lot lately.

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#215 Posted by deactivated-5c3c67cee15c8 (75 posts) -

@kali-b1rd: you look like a kid or a mad dog angry, screaming and spouting nonsense, I'm sorry, I can't take you seriously...

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#216 Posted by Kali-B1rd (2146 posts) -
@BenjaminBanklin said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:
@gamer_lover said:

@kali-b1rd: you surely look like a kid going mad over Sony in all your posts...

Just a typical Nintendo weirdo. You can't get a good argument from these people why any modern console gamer should put up with the overall inferior and antiquated experiences a Nintendo console offers. There's just still a lot of salt over Sony coming in the gaming market and putting them in a headlock 24 years ago. Not everyone is a mushroom-chasing party gamer.

Couldn't fight back on our previous argument so you have to hitch off a Re-Cloud/Geo alt? Be better.

Nah mate, I choose the superior PC, with a side of Nintendo and brush off the PS4 once a year. a stationary HTPC with the 3rd worst looking/performing versions of multiplats has little to offer outside of one exclusive a year.

I know the truth hurts, but those who have a PC, have very little reason to turn on a PS4, less so than a Switch.

No, your arguments are just dumb and toddler-like and not even worth my time. Because you still kick and scream even after I systematically wreck your drivel. Nintendo cult members are indoctrinated beyond help, and I just laugh. And you're talking to a PC gamer. With a PS4 and PC what do I even need the other platforms for this gen?

Yea only you haven't managed to do that at all, more fake narratives.

@gamer_lover said:

@kali-b1rd: you look like a kid or a mad dog angry, screaming and spouting nonsense, I'm sorry, I can't take you seriously...

It's ok, I don't take your 20th alt seriously either.

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#217 Posted by deactivated-5c3c67cee15c8 (75 posts) -

@kali-b1rd: I was expecting some clever yet childish reply from you but you came with the tired alt stuff... Boring.

I'mma sit back and simply watch you as you go on hating what people like. I have all consoles plus a PC, so I've no reason to hate anything...

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#218 Posted by KBFloYd (21821 posts) -

@kali-b1rd said:

@gamer_lover said:

@kali-b1rd: you look like a kid or a mad dog angry, screaming and spouting nonsense, I'm sorry, I can't take you seriously...

It's ok, I don't take your 20th alt seriously either.

ouch

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#219 Posted by X_Karen_x (500 posts) -

It not. Smash Bro is like Mario’s Party with one mini game which is to fight.

Street Fighter and few other 2D fighter with maybe Virtual Fighter on these list as well.

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#220 Edited by GoldenElementXL (3167 posts) -

@TheEroica: Your original stance had me kinda down on the game. Well I just downloaded it today... The game is incredible and some of the stages look fantastic. And a bonus is my 4 year old loves playing it as well.

It’s your fault I didn’t buy this game sooner!

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#221 Posted by jeezers (2872 posts) -

@x_karen_x: wut?? Lol

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#222 Posted by TheEroica (18412 posts) -

@goldenelementxl: I've been playing it along as well and I'm totally hooked now. The magic of this game is that you have to just keep playing it... Online is great, but all matches have been laggy, and the spirit world is actually kinda cool.

I may be wrong on this one....

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#223 Posted by GoldenElementXL (3167 posts) -

@TheEroica said:

@goldenelementxl: I've been playing it along as well and I'm totally hooked now. The magic of this game is that you have to just keep playing it... Online is great, but all matches have been laggy, and the spirit world is actually kinda cool.

I may be wrong on this one....

Well when I fell like I'm ready for battle maybe we can square off online. But really, I'm looking forward to the OlliOlli battle that will commence in February

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#224 Posted by TheEroica (18412 posts) -

@goldenelementxl: definitely! If you see me on let's party up and I'll do the same.

Ollie Ollie on switch? Oh my can you think of anything more glorious? Fresh leader boards inbound!

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#225 Posted by FireEmblem_Man (19685 posts) -

@TheEroica: Friend code? I wanna play you sometimes

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#226 Posted by onesiphorus (2882 posts) -

The question should be asked: why are some anti-Nintendo activists are having Nintendo Degrangement Syndrome (NDS) and think that Super Smash Bros. does not deserve to be a top tier fighting franchise?

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#227 Posted by deactivated-5c3c67cee15c8 (75 posts) -

@onesiphorus: maybe because some people believe that if the game is "casual", "noob friendly" and not "technical", it's not a real fighting game. This goes beyond hating Nintendo, I believe this is more that people that goes like "lol casuals".

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#228 Posted by FireEmblem_Man (19685 posts) -
@gamer_lover said:

@onesiphorus: maybe because some people believe that if the game is "casual", "noob friendly" and not "technical", it's not a real fighting game. This goes beyond hating Nintendo, I believe this is more that people that goes like "lol casuals".

Whatever you say, Recloud, it's smashing more records than any Sony IP, continue to be salty and get banned again. Soon you'll be IP ban for ban dodging many times

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#229 Posted by Kali-B1rd (2146 posts) -
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@gamer_lover said:

@onesiphorus: maybe because some people believe that if the game is "casual", "noob friendly" and not "technical", it's not a real fighting game. This goes beyond hating Nintendo, I believe this is more that people that goes like "lol casuals".

Whatever you say, Recloud, it's smashing more records than any Sony IP, continue to be salty and get banned again. Soon you'll be IP ban for ban dodging many times

Sadly IP bans are just as pointless.

@TheEroica said:

@goldenelementxl: I've been playing it along as well and I'm totally hooked now. The magic of this game is that you have to just keep playing it... Online is great, but all matches have been laggy, and the spirit world is actually kinda cool.

I may be wrong on this one....

Shame about the lag, I'm yet to go online yet because I had a thrashing on the Wii U, practising first this time :P

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#230 Edited by deactivated-5c3c67cee15c8 (75 posts) -

@FireEmblem_Man: why did you get defensive when I'm on the Smash Bros' side and I believe there's no reason to hate on the game?

I didn't understand your reply, why would I be salty when I love smash Bros and have always loved it? I have no reason to hate it or bash it. Maybe you misunderstood me?

And I don't know who Recloud is.

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#231 Posted by TheEroica (18412 posts) -

@FireEmblem_Man: SW-5173-3026-3729

Looking forward to it!

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#232 Edited by EG101 (2000 posts) -

Party Game

As a fighting game it sucks but Smash Bros is definitely one fine Party game.

Man I wish MS would make another Kung Fu Chaos. Especially now that they Own Ninja Theory.