Why can't gamers accept the Xbox One X is a good console?

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#1 Edited by Starshine_M2A2 (5123 posts) -

I'm not talking about which console is better or trying to start a debate about exclusives ect - my question here is about people's attitudes.

Now that the X1X has surpassed expectations, gotten off to an extremely strong start in sales and beaten the PS4 Pro's launch week figures, why do many gamers continue to ridicule and dismiss it as inferior? It can't be because of the tech or performance power nor can it be about a perceived lack of exclusives since that alone doesn't make it a bad system. Someone is obviously buying it. Are we to understand that they buy it just to hate it?

So, what is it? Why can't people just be happy for their success and admit that Microsoft made a good console?

I just don't understand it. Is it just sour grapes? Is that REALLY all it is?

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#2 Posted by ArchoNils2 (9865 posts) -

Why can't gamers accept the Xbox One X as superior?

I'm not talking about which console is better or trying to start a debate about exclusives ect

So it is superior to what if not another system?

Now that the X1X has surpassed expectations

Which expectations were surpassed? Certainly not the native 4k 60fps they tried to sell.

why do many gamers continue to ridicule and dismiss it as inferior

Inferior to what? i'm pretty sure we all agree it is the strongest console right now and a total joke compared to a high-end PC. And it is nowhere close to what lems were hyping it up to be.

nor can it be about a perceived lack of exclusives since that alone doesn't make it a bad system

I strongly disagree. Exclusives are the only reason I spent time with my consoles. The xOne X is the first system I do NOT buy, because I can get everything on PC. So to me, a console without exclusives is worthless. And Ia ctually welcome it. I hate that games are being held back by consoles, a world with no exclusivity would be a dream.

Someone is obviously buying it. Are we to understand that they buy it just to hate it?

I'm sure some uninformed people do buy it because they are afraid of PCs and I'm pretty sure they're happy about it. Nothing wrong with that. There actually are lems who think the xOneX is awesome.

So, what is it? Why can't people just be happy for their success and admit that Microsoft made a good console?

Define "a good console". One that has power and sells arguably good?

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#3 Posted by SecretPolice (33143 posts) -

Because Mighty X1X MonsterBox MasterRace makes'em...

Cry like little girls. :P

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#4 Posted by Grey_Eyed_Elf (5750 posts) -

The power of that consoles forces us into a defensive Mayweather like state... Our only option is to counter and run.

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#5 Posted by Sgt_Crow (5690 posts) -

It has no exclusives. All the games it has can be played better on PC, since Microsoft didn't deliver on their whole "True 4K console" thingy.
There is no point in owning a X1X.

Exclusives are pretty much the one thing a console could have over a PC lol.
Or it has to be portable, like the Switch.

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#6 Posted by Starshine_M2A2 (5123 posts) -

@ArchoNils2 said:

Why can't gamers accept the Xbox One X as superior?

I'm not talking about which console is better or trying to start a debate about exclusives ect

Just realised that's a contradiction. Apologies.

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#7 Posted by rrjim1 (1549 posts) -

@Sgt_Crow said:

It has no exclusives. All the games it has can be played better on PC, since Microsoft didn't deliver on their whole "True 4K console" thingy.

There is no point in owning a X1X.

Exclusives are pretty much the one thing a console could have over a PC lol.

Or it has to be portable, like the Switch.

Not on my $500 PC!

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#8 Posted by UssjTrunks (11274 posts) -

Because it's not.

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#9 Posted by Sgt_Crow (5690 posts) -

@rrjim1 said:
@Sgt_Crow said:

It has no exclusives. All the games it has can be played better on PC, since Microsoft didn't deliver on their whole "True 4K console" thingy.

There is no point in owning a X1X.

Exclusives are pretty much the one thing a console could have over a PC lol.

Or it has to be portable, like the Switch.

Not on my $500 PC!

If you want to cheap out and play the lesser version of the same games, be my guest.
Still doesn't change the fact that the X1X is mostly pointless.

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#10 Posted by Alucard_Prime (9350 posts) -

Well I've seen some people make reasonable posts, I mean people who are not Xbox fans really, and we are in System Wars. You have to remember how user comments and reviews go, you'll never get unanimous opinions on anything on the internet. Some of the hate is from haters, they are just against Microsoft and Xbox and that will never change, so that is one thing to keep in mind. But overall I think the reception seems positive, and the media reviews are pretty good, and most importantly a lot of users who own one seem happy.

Obviously a lot of users are just posting their genuine opinions, not for them for whatever reasons. As far as pure trolling is concerned, I'm not even thinking of this board, the Twitter trolls make the trolls here look like amateurs. I mean I've seen dedicated Twitter channels that just promote negative Xbox news, that is all they do. So trust me, it's better not to worry too much about what you'll see, some regular criticism and some it is honest, some of it is not....that will never change even if Xbox becomes Market leader. Even the best products out there have their constant haters out there that's the internet.

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#11 Posted by JtoThaMtoThaP (945 posts) -

Cows aren't gamers

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#12 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (29703 posts) -

kinda speaks volumes when the biggest hit console of the holiday season barely runs Doom at 30 fps.

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#13 Posted by DaVillain- (29644 posts) -

@jtothamtothap said:

Cows aren't gamers

Except me.

I'm a gamer :)

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5a411408acdf8 (390 posts) -

A good console has exclusives.

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#15 Posted by Valgaav_219 (1529 posts) -

A semi-new system with higher specs did not solve the problem. Instead of addressing the problem they tried to cash grab again with a new shiny toy. foh make Fable & Scalebound. And Crackdown 3 looks like Borderlands 2 on my PS3 wtf

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#16 Posted by ni6htmare01 (3115 posts) -

I will say it is a good console if either has better CPU or good exclusives. For now is just a half ass console. I mean the pro is a half ass console as well but at least PS4 family has really good exclusives.

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#17 Edited by scatteh316 (8383 posts) -

It's an unbalanced gaming machine with no exciting, new IP's on the way that are AAAE/AAAAE material........

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#18 Posted by SecretPolice (33143 posts) -

My oh my, the Pacific Ocean called, it want's it's Salt back. lolol

Thank you MS,... Jazz. P

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#19 Posted by KillzoneSnake (2378 posts) -

Its completely useless for me.

1. 4K no care. I'm a hardcore gamer so i play on a small monitor, much better than a big TV. 1080p is perfect for me, dont care about 4K. Did you guys know Noob of Duty pro crimsix plays at 720p? lol

2. It has no freaking games! I only bought it for backwards comp. You know the days when Xbox had console exclusives? The Mass Effects, Bioshocks, Dead Rising (when it was good). Eventualy it lost them but hey, 360 had a decent start! Xbox one is same old Forza Gears crap i dont care about for years.

3. PS5 is coming. Yea like in 1 or 2 years no joke. As in a true next gen console, not something that struggles to 4K original X1 graphics.

What is the X for? Does it run Horizon Zero Dawn? lol. To play casual ugly looking Ass Creed at 4K or something.

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#20 Posted by GarGx1 (10040 posts) -

It's System Wars, do you expect anyone but the MS fans to praise the Xbox One X?

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#21 Edited by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30973 posts) -

It could be a good system. It just needs exclusives that incentivize people into purchasing it.

I would've purchased one already but the games that interest me are also on PC or PS4.

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#22 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (25911 posts) -

It's a solid system. Not running PUBG in a decent state is embarrassing. That game has been out for almost a year and they still can't optimize it on a new platform let alone the original one.

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#23 Posted by Litchie (21606 posts) -

The library. It has no/not enough worthwhile games to play that you can't find elsewhere. A console should have something you can't get anywhere else, or else it's unnecessary. Quite simple.

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#24 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (25911 posts) -

@LasDK said:

A good console has exclusives.

Except for when the PS4 launched with lousy exclusives and only had price and power on its side for a solid 3-4 years.

Right? No?

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#25 Posted by Chutebox (43598 posts) -

Um, as far as consoles go, everyone knows it's the best.

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#26 Posted by Chutebox (43598 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide: Lousy exclusives for 3 to 4 years? What??

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#27 Posted by JtoThaMtoThaP (945 posts) -

@davillain- said:
@jtothamtothap said:

Cows aren't gamers

Except me.

I'm a gamer :)

You're a Sony fanboy?....I knew it!!

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#28 Edited by Bread_or_Decide (25911 posts) -

@Chutebox said:

@Bread_or_Decide: Lousy exclusives for 3 to 4 years? What??

Knack? Infamous Second Son? Killzone Shadow Fall? Did I miss something here?

Then it had only bloodborne for one whole year. Then it had Uncharted 4 for one whole year.

Then finally this year this year it got a hand full and they wanna act like it was the Wii U or some shiz, loaded with exclusives. Sorry, can't change history just because the PS4 finally had a decent year.

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#29 Posted by lundy86_4 (49500 posts) -

Welcome to SW. Everyone obviously knows it's the most powerful console, but that doesn't mean something can't be criticized.

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#30 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (1593 posts) -

@Starshine_M2A2 said:

Now that the X1X has surpassed expectations,

Weren't the expectations 4K/60 from the Xbox camp? Hell even regularly 4K on ultra settings? Yeeaaah, I'm gonna say it fell waaay short of that.

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#31 Posted by Starshine_M2A2 (5123 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin said:
@Starshine_M2A2 said:

Now that the X1X has surpassed expectations,

Weren't the expectations 4K/60 from the Xbox camp? Hell even regularly 4K on ultra settings? Yeeaaah, I'm gonna say it fell waaay short of that.

Weeeeeell, I'm afraaaaaaid you're wroooooong because not aaaaaaall games received 4K upaaaaaaates. The ones that did and those already tailored fooooooor 4K did indeed meeeeet those expectations.

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#32 Posted by Heirren (580 posts) -

Isn't it sold at a loss? Wouldn't gamers prefer the most value packed into a box at launch? Like it or not the OneX is testing the market for what is to be expected in terms of launch price. By the time the next generation of consoles arrived the market will be saturated with $200 ps4s. So the question is, do you think Sony would risk jumping from $200 to $500/600 for a ps5(taking a loss) or play it safe with a box that costs $299/399?

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#33 Edited by knight-k (1456 posts) -

Why can't lemmings accept the Xbox One is losing in sales and in games library?

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#34 Posted by freedomfreak (50433 posts) -

The UI still chugs and loads longer than the Pro. Microsoft still doesn't get regions. Also, my game settings shouldn't be tied to my region settings. My paypal doesn't work, and unlike ps4, I can't use my bank card.

It has the same issues the previous models have. It's just stronger. I still prefer Sony's systems this gen.

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#35 Posted by EG101 (1824 posts) -

It's the Greatest Console Hardware ever built not just in Specs and Performance but in Form Factor and Engineering Quality too.

Now all MS has to do is get back to making a Diverse high Quality library for Xbox.

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#36 Posted by Chutebox (43598 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:
@Chutebox said:

@Bread_or_Decide: Lousy exclusives for 3 to 4 years? What??

Knack? Infamous Second Son? Killzone Shadow Fall? Did I miss something here?

Then it had only bloodborne for one whole year. Then it had Uncharted 4 for one whole year.

Then finally this year this year it got a hand full and they wanna act like it was the Wii U or some shiz, loaded with exclusives. Sorry, can't change history just because the PS4 finally had a decent year.

Well, you just listed 4 good to awesome exclusives it had in its first few years. So kind of contradicts your initial post.

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#37 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (25911 posts) -

@Chutebox said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@Chutebox said:

@Bread_or_Decide: Lousy exclusives for 3 to 4 years? What??

Knack? Infamous Second Son? Killzone Shadow Fall? Did I miss something here?

Then it had only bloodborne for one whole year. Then it had Uncharted 4 for one whole year.

Then finally this year this year it got a hand full and they wanna act like it was the Wii U or some shiz, loaded with exclusives. Sorry, can't change history just because the PS4 finally had a decent year.

Well, you just listed 4 good to awesome exclusives it had in its first few years. So kind of contradicts your initial post.

I meant quantity wise. A louse amount of exclusives. I should have been more specific.

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#38 Posted by JoshRMeyer (9493 posts) -

@Starshine_M2A2: I think how over hyped it got for 1 1/2 years didn't help things. Not sure if you were old enough back when the original Xbox came out, but that had way more power than PS2. People acknowledged it but didn't seem to care much because PS2 had the games they wanted. I also think no exclusives for the Xbox one X or Xbox one in general (on PC also) has hurt the reception. Most PC gamers I know have a PS4 and a wiiU or Switch as secondary consoles because they are basically forced to if they want to play certain games. Xbox really needs that must have game that makes use of X's power, that isn't held back by the base Xbox One. Forza 7 looks good but so did drive club... Doesn't mean much on a racer. Cuphead, Ori, crackdown 3, sea of theives doesn't push the X at all.

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#39 Edited by Shewgenja (20285 posts) -

We wouldn't have to have this debate if MS actually invested some resources into having an exclusive when the system launched that demonstrated its capabilities. I may be the biggest XBox hater on this board, but they make it easy. It would be more fun to me, but the truth is, it makes me angry that they let down their fans so much. All some of you do is just defend this abuse rather than ask MS to do more. It's not my fault for not accepting sheer mediocrity for the sake of tech specs. Not when the CPU is a goddamn potato.

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#40 Posted by DrLostRib (3997 posts) -

Where do you think you are?

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#41 Posted by hrt_rulz01 (16317 posts) -

The X is an awesome bit of kit... anyone who says otherwise is delusional. Yes it needs more 1st party games, which is supposedly happening, but even atm it's still an impressive piece of hardware.

And those saying that it's sh*t compared to a high end PC, that's such a dumb thing to say. Of course when you spend ALOT more money on something, it's going to be "better". Such a dumb argument.

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#42 Posted by vickissv2 (1951 posts) -

Because: No Guilty Gear, SFV, KOF 14, Blaze Blue CP, or Arika EX layer.

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#43 Posted by BassMan (8422 posts) -

None of the consoles are good. Why would I make an exception for the X1X? If it didn't have a shit CPU, I would respect it. However, they half-assed it and tried to pass it off as a "premium product". Ummmm... NO!

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#44 Posted by JoshRMeyer (9493 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide: 3-4 years? It just hit it's 4 year mark. I think bloodborne players might disagree with you also. It had a slow start for exclusives, but we all knew they were coming.

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#45 Edited by Starshine_M2A2 (5123 posts) -

@BassMan said:None of the consoles are good. Why would I make an exception for the X1X? If it didn't have a shit CPU, I would respect it. However, they half-assed it and tried to pass it off as a "premium product". Ummmm... NO!

Sorry, but literally none of this is true.

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#46 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (25911 posts) -

@joshrmeyer said:

@Bread_or_Decide: 3-4 years? It just hit it's 4 year mark. I think bloodborne players might disagree with you also. It had a slow start for exclusives, but we all knew they were coming.

My point is, people were patient with sony but for microsoft, it's time to bring out the torches and pitchforks. Wii U had exclusives and they said that wasn't enough. It just seems people move the goal post to fit whatever the new defense is for their favorite system. I like PS4, but it's slow launch was maybe a little too slow.

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#47 Posted by dxmcat (2106 posts) -

When has "most powerful" made a console "good" in the past?

Takes a bit more than just "power"

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#48 Posted by UssjTrunks (11274 posts) -

@dxmcat said:

When has "most powerful" made a console "good" in the past?

Takes a bit more than just "power"

Look at the past 3 console gen winners:

PS1 - Weaker than N64

PS2 - Weaker than Gamecube and Xbox

Wii - Weaker than PS3 and 360

Same thing with handhelds:

DS - Weaker than PSP

3DS - Weaker than Vita

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#49 Posted by phbz (2707 posts) -

Outside diehard haters people tend to consider the X a good console.

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#50 Posted by Phazevariance (12300 posts) -

@Sgt_Crow said:

It has no exclusives. All the games it has can be played better on PC, since Microsoft didn't deliver on their whole "True 4K console" thingy.

There is no point in owning a X1X.

Exclusives are pretty much the one thing a console could have over a PC lol.

Or it has to be portable, like the Switch.

Disagree, people who can't afford a PC or don't have the expertise to build or manage one, would definitely be in x1x market.