Why are Sony male protagonists attractive, but females ugly?

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#1  Edited By Juub1990
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But then you got Sony women...

Guys like Nathan Drake and Kratos make me feel insecure. They're tall, muscular, rugged, and handsome. Either make a 5'9" skinny fat male protagonist with a receding hairline or make more beautiful women.

Thank you.

Edit: I would also like to bring to light the fact that Delsin is part Native (or Indian or whatever non-offensive term people like these days), the guy from Ghost of Tsushima is Japanese, and Kratos is white but voiced by a black man. The women on the other hand are all invariably white.

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#2 SolidGame_basic
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I'll admit, the Aloy one is hilarious.

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#4 Miyomatic
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You're not exactly wrong. Seems like that equality hammer is only swingin one way. 🤣

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#5 UnnDunn
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🤣 @ "Aloy"

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Who knew that Jeff Goldblum had a twin sister LOL.

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@shadyacshuns said:

Simple: Soyny is woke.

How is making "straight, white" males attractive considered "woke"? Is it the woke fanatics that demonize these men?

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#9 Fedor
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Pretty men don't get giant hashtag campaigns calling them sexist depictions.

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#11 st_monica
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Not enough. Female characters need more diversity.

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#13 lamprey263
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It's not just Sony though

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@davillain- said:

What about the environment do you care about that?

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#15  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@ProtossRushX said:

What about the environment do you care about that?

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#16  Edited By deactivated-60bf765068a74
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@davillain- said:
@ProtossRushX said:

What about the environment do you care about that?

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Oh i was just kiddin its a joke from a dumb movie the guy says i dont care about anything and the guy yells at him bout not caring about the environment

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but i agree i like good looking guys and medicore looking girls in my movies thats just how i like em

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This goes far beyond Sony or gaming. This is what happens when cancel culture mobs are enabled by the media and big tech. Women are no longer allowed to be hot because you'll offend some fat chick with blue hair on the internet somewhere.

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@davillain- said:
@ProtossRushX said:

What about the environment do you care about that?

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Well... DO YOU???

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

This goes far beyond Sony or gaming. This is what happens when cancel culture mobs are enabled by the media and big tech. Women are no longer allowed to be hot because you'll offend some fat chick with blue hair on the internet somewhere.

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#20 Starshine_M2A2
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Because Sony is a Japanese company and the Japanese would bend over backwards to avoid offence - a stance that’s only magnified by today’s PC culture.

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#21 SargentD
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Unattractive woman bitch about seeing attractive woman in media more than unattractive men bitch about seeing attractive men in media.

Its not sexist just a simple observation.

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@BassMan said:

This

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Well to be honest a lot of if is about perception. I personally consider the main girl from the last of us and the main girl from Horizon quite attractive.

But yes, it would be nicer that there were more situations of unattractive males in games and more racial diversity among women.

I have also noticed a similar situation in Youtube advertising. Lately you can realize a lot the effect that the last year of tumult has had on the racial composition of actors for publicity. Most of them are black males now. I would say there is nothing wrong with that, but at the same time, it does seem like a thoughtless reaction. If you read the stats, black men were already the best represented minority in television. being very close to their percentage of representation in the US population.

On the other hand, Latin people in general and black women in particular were much worse represented and continue to be like that. So it seems more like knee jerk reaction than an actual action to address problems of lack of representation.

I, particularly, as a latin-american man, would like at least, not be always represented as a drug dealer or blue collar uneducated worker. Frankly, i dont even expect to get representation in US TV, similar to the actual percentage of hispanic US population, but at least, I would like that it that, every time i go abroad, i dont have to deal with most foreigners immediately associating my ethnicity with drug dealers.

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This thread is really not gonna and well, I can tell already. I get the joke, TC, and liked the edited shots. It's funny. But I'm not optimistic

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#26 Eoten
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Why does the third image in the "female" list look like Jeff Goldblum?

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

This goes far beyond Sony or gaming. This is what happens when cancel culture mobs are enabled by the media and big tech. Women are no longer allowed to be hot because you'll offend some fat chick with blue hair on the internet somewhere.

And yet Lara croft still exists, this is a Sony thing, you can try and blame it on others.

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@i_p_daily: Lara Croft no longer exists. They killed her off when they rebooted the series.

We can look at the movies as well. Angelina Jolie > whoever that other chick was in the reboot.

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#29 mrbojangles25
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Just going to assume this thread is a joke thread.

Um....ha...haha.

@SolidGame_basic said:

I'll admit, the Aloy one is hilarious.

Yeah that was pretty great.

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#30 uninspiredcup
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It makes Resetera users feel secure.

Most of them look like Batman knocked them into a vat of chemicals.

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@i_p_daily said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

This goes far beyond Sony or gaming. This is what happens when cancel culture mobs are enabled by the media and big tech. Women are no longer allowed to be hot because you'll offend some fat chick with blue hair on the internet somewhere.

And yet Lara croft still exists, this is a Sony thing, you can try and blame it on others.

Clearly just a Sony issue...

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Misogyny still exists, unfortunately. Sony sucks.

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#33 uninspiredcup
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Kassandra is ugly?

One of the best female designs seen in a modern game. Ignoring the fact Assassins' Creeds gameplay is ass.

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#34  Edited By Nirgal
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I think a lot of these discussions involve personal taste. I find kassandra very regular looking. Like a girl that wouldn't really catch my eye, but I would not consider ugly either.

It should be noted that bioware was accused of making her main female character appear less good looking too in mass effect 3, so its not only a Sony thing.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/2948293/bioware-accused-of-making-mass-effect-andromeda-female-characters-ugly-in-bizarre-sexism-row/

(sorry for linking to the sun thought, hahahha)

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This is the comparison between the real life model of the mass effect 3 character, and what the artist finally created. I myself, make realistic art as a hobby, and that is a massive deviation.

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Somebody somewhere invariably finds someone that everyone seems to find unattractive, beautiful; someone that everyone finds beautiful somebody, somewhere finds unattractive. And so on.

And then there're video game forums where people argue about which batch of pixels looks better than the next.

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@SolidGame_basic said:

I'll admit, the Aloy one is hilarious.

HaHa

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#38  Edited By deactivated-618bc23e9b1c9
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'nuff said lol

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Laughed hard at thy alloy picture.

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@lebanese_boy said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

This goes far beyond Sony or gaming. This is what happens when cancel culture mobs are enabled by the media and big tech. Women are no longer allowed to be hot because you'll offend some fat chick with blue hair on the internet somewhere.

Forgive him, stupid people say stupid things. 😂 He is still bitter that the guy he voted for lost.

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@Zero_epyon said:

Is that a good looking character?

@st_monica said:

Not enough. Female characters need more diversity.

😂

@Miyomatic said:

@i_p_daily: Lara Croft no longer exists. They killed her off when they rebooted the series.

We can look at the movies as well. Angelina Jolie >

Jolie had some nice lips in that movie.

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#42 Nirgal
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I personally agree with the idea that they are making females and only females more regular looking. I dont think its a woke conspiracy. Its just society following trends without thinking about them and large companies eager to please their consumers and act "morally good" as long as they dont risk loosing money over it. (this does not happen when acting morally good requires them to loose money, such as standing to human right abuses in China)

if the trend right now was that middle eastern people faced great disadvantage from society, more main characters would be middle eastern, if the trend was that deaf people were receiving attention as disadvantaged by society, then more main characters would be deaf. What ever the society focuses on creates a reaction from the entertainment industry. They wont think about it or make logical choices, they will follow the emotional reaction of the rest of society.

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TC feeling insecure just cause Abby's clit bigger than his peepee

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Americans.

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#45 judaspete
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Man, a lot of people seemed to miss that this thread is a joke.

But hey, I'll roll with it too. I think Aloy and Ellie are pretty attractive, and would say Nathan and the guy from GoS are the only good looking dudes up there. Kratos is muscular, but he is not a pretty man.

And is no one going to bring up Chole?

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#46  Edited By Eoten
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@nirgal said:

I personally agree with the idea that they are making females and only females more regular looking. I dont think its a woke conspiracy. Its just society following trends without thinking about them and large companies eager to please their consumers and act "morally good" as long as they dont risk loosing money over it. (this does not happen when acting morally good requires them to loose money, such as standing to human right abuses in China)

if the trend right now was that middle eastern people faced great disadvantage from society, more main characters would be middle eastern, if the trend was that deaf people were receiving attention as disadvantaged by society, then more main characters would be deaf. What ever the society focuses on creates a reaction from the entertainment industry. They wont think about it or make logical choices, they will follow the emotional reaction of the rest of society.

Yeah, but if I wanted to stare at a fat, ugly chick from behind for a few hours a day I could just go sit at my local Walmart. I thought gaming was supposed to be an escape from reality.

At some point you have to stop and wonder if they're actually following a trend, or trying to create one. When most people find many of the characters being forced and unlikable, I would say the latter is true. TLOU2 most definitely tried forcing it, most people despise that character, so they clearly didn't ask for her, people who played the early Resident Evil titles feel Capcom failed in their redesigns of Claire and Jill. Nobody is asking these companies to do this. Few people are praising it. They're trying to shape public opinion, not follow it, and I think that's where a lot of people get tired of it.

We're tired of being told who and what we should find attractive or relatable. That goes for nasty ass goblins like Abby, and soy boy male protagonists alike.

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Americans.

It is not longer an American thing. It has spread across the West.

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@onesiphorus: Just like kfc and burger king

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#49  Edited By Nirgal
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@eoten said:
@nirgal said:

I personally agree with the idea that they are making females and only females more regular looking. I dont think its a woke conspiracy. Its just society following trends without thinking about them and large companies eager to please their consumers and act "morally good" as long as they dont risk loosing money over it. (this does not happen when acting morally good requires them to loose money, such as standing to human right abuses in China)

if the trend right now was that middle eastern people faced great disadvantage from society, more main characters would be middle eastern, if the trend was that deaf people were receiving attention as disadvantaged by society, then more main characters would be deaf. What ever the society focuses on creates a reaction from the entertainment industry. They wont think about it or make logical choices, they will follow the emotional reaction of the rest of society.

Yeah, but if I wanted to stare at a fat, ugly chick from behind for a few hours a day I could just go sit at my local Walmart. I thought gaming was supposed to be an escape from reality.

At some point you have to stop and wonder if they're actually following a trend, or trying to create one. When most people find many of the characters being forced and unlikable, I would say the latter is true. TLOU2 most definitely tried forcing it, most people despise that character, so they clearly didn't ask for her, people who played the early Resident Evil titles feel Capcom failed in their redesigns of Claire and Jill. Nobody is asking these companies to do this. Few people are praising it. They're trying to shape public opinion, not follow it, and I think that's where a lot of people get tired of it.

We're tired of being told who and what we should find attractive or relatable. That goes for nasty ass goblins like Abby, and soy boy male protagonists alike.

I think when it comes to that specific character of the last of us, its more about an attempt to make more women that dont conform to gender stereotypes or the idea of trying to make more strong female characters (this time by making them literally physically strong)

When it comes to personalities of the characters and specifically making characters conform less to gender stereotypes, i think it could be the opinion of the employees and writers of the game companies that drive these desitions. Artist and writers tend to be more left leaning and you find a greater proportion of gay and transexual people in those industries. Its also become common right now to see not conforming to gender stereotypes as a positive thing in those circles, as if you could add a moral quality to something like that.

I personally dont have a positive or negative opinion about that. Just maybe that its aimed at a different consumer that is not you or me.

But i think that has a different reason from the other examples we mentioned, because those are more made to make women feel better about themselves .They simply make regular looking characters, so the female users cannot compare themselves negatively against the characters.

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@eoten: It is quite funny that they want to offer a more "realistic" women and they do this by modeling Abby after a juicer? how's that not unrealistic for an average woman to achieve lol? I get that not every character needs to look like a super model, but promoting form that's only obtainable with steroids seems a bit unhealthy.

ib "she's just ripped", just google who she's modeled after, you dont get a neck like without going to the DDR womens training camp