why are people not more pissed about ps4 having a subscription to play online no

My best guess is because PSN offers alot more than just online multiplayer where as XBOX LIVE offers only online multiplayer and access your already-paid-for apps.Bread_or_Decide

Please don't make excuses or defend it. Let's leave that to the Lems, as they're so darn good at it. 

Cuz cow's are hypocrites and will bend over whenever sony commands them too. The_Pacific

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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] The original quote you hilightee said XBox Live Gold. Nothing about XO however you can bet they will be locked just like everything else. And Happy Wars is F2P but requires Gold to play. I believe the one and only multiplayer game that doesn't require Gold is Final Fantasy because it connects through a 3rd party service. Funny hiw they never let that happen again. http://m.gamespot.com/news/free-to-play-xbox-live-game-hits-2-million-players-6405103 Though Happy Wars is free to play, gamers can purchase "happy tickets" with real-world money to upgrade their characters' appearance and equipment. This can also be achieved by unlocking "happy stars" through play. Additionally, gamers must hold an Xbox Live Gold subscription ($60 per year) to download Happy Wars.Murderstyle75

Sounds like alot of assumptions and wishful thinking on your end, why you would want that is beyond me, i guess your fanboyism knows no bounds.

You're assuming that all F2P games will be behind the XBLG paywall because of one XBLA title that is. And yes you most certainly are a fanboy, i've seen your posts bub.

It's a well known factually based fact console users don't mind being ripped off. It's why gaming went from expansion packs to paying $5 for skin. Withheld content on launch. And digtial aids. They will pay for these overcharged "next generation" (read: 2007 pc games) and pay for these subscriptions. meanwhile, ze master race will enjoy steam, sip sherry and enjoying being superior.

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Sounds like alot of assumptions and wishful thinking on your end, why you would want that is beyond me, i guess your fanboyism knows no bounds.

Snugenz

You're assuming that all F2P games will be behind the XBLG paywall because of one XBLA title that is. And yes you most certainly are a fanboy, i've seen your posts bub.

I don't have the stomach to pour over the countless old cows bashing XBL threads, but there should be a catalog of those who said they'd dump $ony if they charged for online play on the P$4. I'm concerned about their gaming well-being and am curious about what gaming options they will entertain next gen since they swore never to let their gaming habits get in the way of their principles. FastEddie2121

[QUOTE="FastEddie2121"]I don't have the stomach to pour over the countless old cows bashing XBL threads, but there should be a catalog of those who said they'd dump $ony if they charged for online play on the P$4. I'm concerned about their gaming well-being and am curious about what gaming options they will entertain next gen since they swore never to let their gaming habits get in the way of their principles. sSubZerOo

I don't have the stomach to pour over the countless old cows bashing XBL threads, but there should be a catalog of those who said they'd dump $ony if they charged for online play on the P$4. I'm concerned about their gaming well-being and am curious about what gaming options they will entertain next gen since they swore never to let their gaming habits get in the way of their principles. FastEddie2121

I'd be willing to bet that 99% of cows who ever swore they'd never get a PS4 if Sony charged for online are getting a PS4.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="FastEddie2121"]I don't have the stomach to pour over the countless old cows bashing XBL threads, but there should be a catalog of those who said they'd dump $ony if they charged for online play on the P$4. I'm concerned about their gaming well-being and am curious about what gaming options they will entertain next gen since they swore never to let their gaming habits get in the way of their principles. Murderstyle75

:|With that logic why game to begin with? It is going to turn into a thousands to tens of thousands of dollars hobby through the decade.. There are far cheaper hobbies.. You can turn any kind of trivial cost into a gigantic sum if you add enough years on to it.. If that bothers you now, how the hell can you operate as a human being with some of the bills you have to pay?

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] IDK why people were so bothered by the fee to begin with if it was your main platform and you played it all the time.. XBL amounted to less then $7 a month... My lunch most times is more expensive than that.. sSubZerOo

:|With that logic why game to begin with? It is going to turn into a thousands to tens of thousands of dollars hobby through the decade.. There are far cheaper hobbies.. You can turn any kind of trivial cost into a gigantic sum if you add enough years on to it.. If that bothers you now, how the hell can you operate as a human being with some of the bills you have to pay?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] Well it is the principle of the matter. Some people spin it as a cheap fee that everybody can afford. Others see it as an $800 subsidized console over the course of an 8 year generation.josephl64

:|With that logic why game to begin with? It is going to turn into a thousands to tens of thousands of dollars hobby through the decade.. There are far cheaper hobbies.. You can turn any kind of trivial cost into a gigantic sum if you add enough years on to it.. If that bothers you now, how the hell can you operate as a human being with some of the bills you have to pay?

Yet the PS3 didnt' have services and features that XBL had... My point still stands in this regard, of how people who actually pay bills could find this cost even remotely bothersome.. Owning a single cable box on a tv usually costs $5 to $10 a month to run..

It's a well known factually based fact console users don't mind being ripped off. It's why gaming went from expansion packs to paying $5 for skin. Withheld content on launch. And digtial aids. They will pay for these overcharged "next generation" (read: 2007 pc games) and pay for these subscriptions. meanwhile, ze master race will enjoy steam, sip sherry and enjoying being superior.

uninspiredcup

It's a factually based fact?  That's almost as stupid as the rest of your comment.  Almost.

[QUOTE="FastEddie2121"]I don't have the stomach to pour over the countless old cows bashing XBL threads, but there should be a catalog of those who said they'd dump $ony if they charged for online play on the P$4. I'm concerned about their gaming well-being and am curious about what gaming options they will entertain next gen since they swore never to let their gaming habits get in the way of their principles. sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

It's a well known factually based fact console users don't mind being ripped off. It's why gaming went from expansion packs to paying $5 for skin. Withheld content on launch. And digtial aids. They will pay for these overcharged "next generation" (read: 2007 pc games) and pay for these subscriptions. meanwhile, ze master race will enjoy steam, sip sherry and enjoying being superior.

Chutebox

It's a factually based fact?  That's almost as stupid as the rest of your comment.  Almost.

But i'm right.

because most people never said anything about the precious xbox live subscription. The people falling over themselves to call everyone who owns a playstation a hypocrite is pathetic, I pay for psn+ already and will for the ps4. Stupid xbox fanboys hurt my brain with their stupidity, go play your console and have fun instead of being pathetic losers that need to make arguments out of nothing. People complaining about the principle will change their tune when they get more than they paid for back in free games.

Because cows love bending over for SonyRR360DD

I was majorly disappointed when I first heard the PS+ stuff at E3.

But then, I'm still saving $100 compared to XB1 buyers. So, that extra $100 buys me 2 years online with PS+, and includes a bunch of games with it.

No-brainer really.

I blame Lemmings for Letting M$ get away with too many things. In Fact M$ is still trying to implement DRM in their games and lemmings are all over it... what's gonna happen int he future ? Nintendo and Sony might implement DRM seeing how well it works out for M$. See how it works ? it's all up to the consumers.... What they want is what they get....... and what they wanted was to pay for online because of "you get what you pay for, we pay for online we don't get hacked"

Hypocrites..hypocrites everywhere.Motokid6

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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] Why would I want what? Happy Tickets? I don't. I was just quoting the article. My only point is that F2P PSN games are free for everybody while ones of Xbox Live require the premium subscription. Fanboy? What in the hell are you talking about? I'm probably one of the only people here who is not a fanboy.Murderstyle75

You're assuming that all F2P games will be behind the XBLG paywall because of one XBLA title that is. And yes you most certainly are a fanboy, i've seen your posts bub.

2 games actually, FFXI and PSU, and whats to say there won't be F2P games that don't use MS servers (not like that XBLA game you're claiming as proof).

I'm well aware of MS's change, luckily i was never a fanboy to begin with so i still had all the other systems to enjoy when the 360 went to shit, you're the one throwing hissy fits if anyone says anything positive about the X1, so you are the real fanboy here afaic.

[QUOTE="josephl64"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:|With that logic why game to begin with? It is going to turn into a thousands to tens of thousands of dollars hobby through the decade.. There are far cheaper hobbies.. You can turn any kind of trivial cost into a gigantic sum if you add enough years on to it.. If that bothers you now, how the hell can you operate as a human being with some of the bills you have to pay?

sSubZerOo

Yet the PS3 didnt' have services and features that XBL had... My point still stands in this regard, of how people who actually pay bills could find this cost even remotely bothersome.. Owning a single cable box on a tv usually costs $5 to $10 a month to run..

They can charge all they want, I don't care I could careless of multiplayer or online gaming

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

You're assuming that all F2P games will be behind the XBLG paywall because of one XBLA title that is. And yes you most certainly are a fanboy, i've seen your posts bub.

Snugenz

2 games actually, FFXI and PSU, and whats to say there won't be F2P games that don't use MS servers (not like that XBLA game you're claiming as proof).

I'm well aware of MS's change, luckily i was never a fanboy to begin with so i still had all the other systems to enjoy when the 360 went to shit, you're the one throwing hissy fits if anyone says anything positive about the X1, so you are the real fanboy here afaic.

[QUOTE="The_Pacific"]Cuz cow's are hypocrites and will bend over whenever sony commands them too. Murderstyle75

It was expected for some time now

[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"][QUOTE="kingtito"] Not by cows it wasn't. For years they've been talking about how Sony would NEVER charge for online play. That is was and should always be free. Don't say it was expected for sometime cause for cows it wasn't.kingtito

lol lems should be the last ones criticising sony for charging online.

You suckers have been paying since the last gen,and xbox live doesn't even give free games:lol:

Plus,F2P games do not require a subscription.You can play planetside 2 multiplayer for hundreds of hours on ps4 without paying a penny;)

[QUOTE="lhughey"]Because this is SW, where people complain about things until its "their" company doing it. Then its the best thing since bread that has precut slices.LegatoSkyheart

Or maybe because Sony isn't charging you to do the basic functions of online.

(you could still Netflix without paying PS+)

[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"]Worth noting all F2P games are F2P on PS4 because you don't need PS Plus. F2P games require Gold on XBL. That needs to change.Snugenz

I assume you have a credible link to back this up?.

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[QUOTE="lhughey"]Because this is SW, where people complain about things until its "their" company doing it. Then its the best thing since bread that has precut slices.kingtito

Or maybe because Sony isn't charging you to do the basic functions of online.

(you could still Netflix without paying PS+)

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

On Xbox One, no no i havn't, have you?.

And is that even a F2P game, just googled it and the XBLA site had a "Buy Now" button?.

Snugenz

Sounds like alot of assumptions and wishful thinking on your end, why you would want that is beyond me, i guess your fanboyism knows no bounds.

it was only a rip off when ms did it.

now it is a tremendous value that sony gets thanked for a lot.

Why would I want what? Happy Tickets? I don't. I was just quoting the article. My only point is that F2P PSN games are free for everybody while ones of Xbox Live require the premium subscription. Fanboy? What in the hell are you talking about? I'm probably one of the only people here who is not a fanboy.Murderstyle75

You're assuming that all F2P games will be behind the XBLG paywall because of one XBLA title that is. And yes you most certainly are a fanboy, i've seen your posts bub.

Because it's logical? It was logical when MS did it, they offered a superior product at a premium, I think in the end a majority of people would rather go that route than to rely on a less stable or secure system that was included.Resultsmayvary0

[QUOTE="josephl64"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:|With that logic why game to begin with? It is going to turn into a thousands to tens of thousands of dollars hobby through the decade.. There are far cheaper hobbies.. You can turn any kind of trivial cost into a gigantic sum if you add enough years on to it.. If that bothers you now, how the hell can you operate as a human being with some of the bills you have to pay?

sSubZerOo

Yet the PS3 didnt' have services and features that XBL had... My point still stands in this regard, of how people who actually pay bills could find this cost even remotely bothersome.. Owning a single cable box on a tv usually costs $5 to $10 a month to run..

Really? Weren't cows saying PSN was just as good as Live minus cross game chat? Weren't cows posting new threads almost everyday talking about how PSN == LIVE?

Why are cows always changing your stories?

[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"][QUOTE="kingtito"] Not by cows it wasn't. For years they've been talking about how Sony would NEVER charge for online play. That is was and should always be free. Don't say it was expected for sometime cause for cows it wasn't.kingtito

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"] No disrespect, but thats an ignorant generalization to make against playstation users or "cows". With Sony now requiring subscription for online, they will be able to streghten their online infrastracture. As a soon to be graduate in a BS in Information Technology I understand that companies needs to do all they can to keep their networks secure, and honestly a degree in this field isnt needed to understand that. With the extra money they should be able to strengthen security and provide better services. I never expected online to always be free, but there is so much value in plus it honestly pays for itself within in the first month or so for a 1 year subscription.Murderstyle75

Or maybe because Sony isn't charging you to do the basic functions of online.

(you could still Netflix without paying PS+)

I see the cow defense squad is out in full force.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"] No disrespect, but thats an ignorant generalization to make against playstation users or "cows". With Sony now requiring subscription for online, they will be able to streghten their online infrastracture. As a soon to be graduate in a BS in Information Technology I understand that companies needs to do all they can to keep their networks secure, and honestly a degree in this field isnt needed to understand that. With the extra money they should be able to strengthen security and provide better services. I never expected online to always be free, but there is so much value in plus it honestly pays for itself within in the first month or so for a 1 year subscription.PS4TrumpsXbox1

Your reading comprehension sucks dude.

I said COWS......COWS.....COWS and just to clarify COWS cause not every PS owner is a cow. COWS....COWS....here on GS, claimed ALL gen Sony would never charge and that's a fact.

You must be new here kid, I think maybe you're still in grade school.

If PS+ was such a good value with its game rental service, then it should be able to stand on its own without forcing people to pay for crappy online gaming. 

[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"][QUOTE="kingtito"] How is that a generalization? Cows said it all gen, Sony would never charge for online. I'm not the one that said it, cows did. Now cows are acting like it's all ok because it's Sony AFTER making fun of lems for Live. Do you have reading comprehension problems or something? BTW, value is subjectivekingtito

Your reading comprehension sucks dude.

I said COWS......COWS.....COWS and just to clarify COWS cause not every PS owner is a cow. COWS....COWS....here on GS, claimed ALL gen Sony would never charge and that's a fact.

You must be new here kid, I think maybe you're still in grade school.

I see the cow defense squad is out in full force.

GreySeal9

Do we like it , hell no. Its as annoying as any other extra fee ... But Sonys reason is way different than MS and thats a fact.

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"] How is that not a generalizaiton? Your saying every playstation owner never expected for sony to chargefor online and that it should always be free. Haha really? Insulting me for reading comprehension? Saying one type of group (in this case, cows) all think and say the same thing about one specific subject isn't generalizing? Maybe it is you SIr that have the problem, maybe you should go back to grade school.PS4TrumpsXbox1

Your reading comprehension sucks dude.

I said COWS......COWS.....COWS and just to clarify COWS cause not every PS owner is a cow. COWS....COWS....here on GS, claimed ALL gen Sony would never charge and that's a fact.

You must be new here kid, I think maybe you're still in grade school.

like opinion, dont you think? And yea im kind of new to these forums but that has nothing to do with it, your ignorance seems to have no limit

We're in SWs kid so yes enough cows have claimed this for me to say ALL cows in SWs.

You being new to this I wouldn't expect you to understand. Try doing some research before spewing your garbage about generalizing and realize WHERE you're posting. To be perfectly honest, I don't recall 1 single cow saying Sony WOULD charge for online. EVERY cow that did have an opinion on the subject all said the same thing "Sony would never charge for online BECAUSE Sony said so".

Not sure how this is so hard for you to understand but since you admitted to being new, I'll chalk it up to that.