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Poll Who is the current market leader? (67 votes)

Sony 55%
Nintendo 31%
Microsoft 13%

Arguments for each:

Sony: PS4 has the most sold units of currently available systems; PS5 is fastest selling console in first 5 months; highest reported software sales and attach rate; #1 in gaming revenue

Nintendo: Fastest selling console ever after 4 years; #1 in first party software sales; 2020 Switch sales were the highest of any console ever; #1 in gaming profit

Microsoft: Game Pass is the most popular subscription and cloud service; they own the best selling game ever

This is about the market, not software quality.

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the company selling the largest quantity of a particular type of product.

"we have emerged as the clear market leader in the pet retail trade"

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#1 x_hedon
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Xbox of course. They have billions of consoles/PCs/mobile devices.

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#2 Techhog89
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@x_hedon: But they don't get any revenue from most Windows games.

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#3 x_hedon
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@techhog89 said:

@x_hedon: But they don't get any revenue from most Windows games.

They get TONS of revenue from every single Windows license, and every single Microsoft game sold on those billions of devices.

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@x_hedon: 🤣 I'm laughing at you not with you, just in case you were confused.

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#5 IAmDavey
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Sony.

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#6  Edited By Daredevils2k
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Well MS gaming division has been bleeding money, so I would say Sony or Nintendo are the leaders .

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#7 Pedro
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Not sure who is the market leader to be honest. Everything at the moment is hodgepodge of companies doing different things.

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#8  Edited By IAmDavey
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@Pedro said:

Not sure who is the market leader to be honest. Everything at the moment is hodgepodge of companies doing different things.

I can't speak for America but over here it's definitely Sony. The Xbox consoles are more of a small niche here compared to PlayStation and while the Switch is popular, Nintendo have never been super big here outside that and the Wii.

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https://www.alltopeverything.com/top-10-biggest-video-game-companies/?amp

Sony beat out tencent in gaming revenue. It's Sony.

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@vfighter said:

@x_hedon: 🤣 I'm laughing at you not with you, just in case you were confused.

That happens when you are triggered. You just need to R E L A X, and it will finally sink in.

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#11 Ghost_of_Phobos
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I know it's not Microsoft, although they are the most enticing right now from a consumer perspective.

Nintendo and Sony are doing great but they aren't overstepping each other so it's hard to tell. Maybe Sony? Maybe because of having a really toxic user base I feel like their presence is more noticeable than Nintendo.

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#12 Techhog89
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@x_hedon: Then I'd have to include all PC OEMs on this list too.

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Honestly not sure and can’t say that I’m terribly concerned about it either. They all have compelling products that I enjoy and that’s really all that matters to me at the end of the day.

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@techhog89 said:

@x_hedon: Then I'd have to include all PC OEMs on this list too.

Yup! All Windows licenses from those. That is billions of PC's. Then all the games from the 35 Xbox Game Studios on PC, including Steam, XBL. Game Pass Revenue. Xbox Live Revenue, Xbox console sales. I figure they will hit a half trillion in gaming revenue in the next 5 years.

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#15 Pedro
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@Archangel3371 said:

Honestly not sure and can’t say that I’m terribly concerned about it either. They all have compelling products that I enjoy and that’s really all that matters to me at the end of the day.

That is not the answer we are looking for.

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#16 SheevPalpamemes
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Sony of course. Microsoft dead last, per usual.

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#17  Edited By x_hedon
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@sheevpalpamemes said:

Sony of course. Microsoft dead last, per usual.

You sound upset that Nintendo is crushing PlayStation.

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#18 wandering_halls
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It's almost like some people don't even play games around here.

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#19 Pedro
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@wandering_halls said:

It's almost like some people don't even play games around here.

That would be sad. 😥

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#20 osan0
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Of the big 3 i would rank them as

1) Sony. hugely successful PS4. cant make the PS5 fast enough. Generates a crap ton of money. basically its mandatory to publish on AAA game on playstation. you would be leaving too much on the table by ignoring them.

2) Nintendo. This and MS can switch at the drop of a hat. but they are currently printing stupid amounts of money for such a relatively small operation. however nintendo can also be ignored in the multiplat side of the business (especially in the AAA sector. indies do well with nintendo at the moment though).

3) MS. at the moment its a lot of bluster and hot air coming from them while they trade on value and low entry prices for gamepass to get people hooked. they are not setting anything alight. but that could very easily change. on paper they now have one hell of a formidable first party and the exclusive content they can bring to gamepass could cause quite a big upset. they are definitely the company to watch at E3 this year.

but yeah this can all change. Sony could find themselves going from an industry leader and console trend setter to the leader of a business model that's just about to die as MS render the console hardware business a mere afterthought. or it could all backfire completely on them as the market rejects the games as a service model. or maybe the way demographics are going less people have access to TVs and nintendo choices with the switch really pay off.

...or valve decide to release a game with a 3 at the end and all hell breaks loose.

....oh god i forgot about valve! probably just below sony to be honest. possibly slightly above.

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#21 Archangel3371
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@Pedro: I know.

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#22 omegaMaster
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1st - Sony Playstation

2nd - Nintendo

3rd - Xbox

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I mean, it's Sony. Even with the caveats and nods to what the others are doing, it's currently Sony. Things could change, but...

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Not Nintendo, we can probably be sure about that since they are strictly a video game company.

I'd guess MS since they are more of a software company, where the margins are much higher than hardware like Sony.

I'd guess MS makes the most revenue as well as the most profit.

Be interesting to see some real numbers, but I don't care enough to search.

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#25  Edited By WonderWinner
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The market leader is the one with the biggest market share. That's probably between Sony and Nintendo.

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#26 Nonstop-Madness
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Without a doubt PlayStation. They have the most hardware on the market, most active monthly users, most network subscribers, most revenue etc.

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#27 Techhog89
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@iamdavey said:
@Pedro said:

Not sure who is the market leader to be honest. Everything at the moment is hodgepodge of companies doing different things.

I can't speak for America but over here it's definitely Sony. The Xbox consoles are more of a small niche here compared to PlayStation and while the Switch is popular, Nintendo have never been super big here outside that and the Wii.

UK?

As for the US, Switch has been the #1 selling console in units every month since November 2018, so I think the answer is pretty clear here.

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#28  Edited By Techhog89
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@pyro1245 said:

Not Nintendo, we can probably be sure about that since they are strictly a video game company.

I'd guess MS since they are more of a software company, where the margins are much higher than hardware like Sony.

I'd guess MS makes the most revenue as well as the most profit.

Be interesting to see some real numbers, but I don't care enough to search.

I'm talking about the video game market specifically. Only video game sales and revenue count. Obviously it's Microsoft if we're just talking about who's the biggest company.

Actually, not even that's true. Then it would be Apple.

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#29 VatususReturns
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"they own the best selling game ever"

uh, never knew MS owned GTA V...

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@wandering_halls said:

It's almost like some people don't even play games around here.

That's too bad, cause I enjoy playing games from everyone :)

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#31  Edited By ZeroTheHero
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Market leader is the one leading current gen, for me thats the nintendo switch.

Switch is outselling PS5 and X-Series its the best selling system right now and has a big lead over the PS5 and XSX if thats not the leader I dunno what it is your outselling everyone else your winning.

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@vatususreturns said:

"they own the best selling game ever"

uh, never knew MS owned GTA V...

They don't, he said they own the "best selling game ever".

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#33 Techhog89
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@vatususreturns: Minecraft. GTAV is second.

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Hater and liars picked Phony lmfao.

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@lebanese_boy: that game is gtav, and MS does not own it.

Also, there is a correct answer to this question.

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#36 Amin_and_Azizah
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Nintendo

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#37 Techhog89
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@X_CAPCOM_X said:

@lebanese_boy: that game is gtav, and MS does not own it.

Also, there is a correct answer to this question.

No, it's Minecraft.

Where are you people getting the idea that GTAV outsold Minecraft? Weird.

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#38 ZELDABOTW2
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Sony great exclusives

Nintendo great exclusives but lacks some of the Multiplatform games and those games dont run has well

Microsoft lol

So Sony

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@techhog89 said:
@X_CAPCOM_X said:

@lebanese_boy: that game is gtav, and MS does not own it.

Also, there is a correct answer to this question.

No, it's Minecraft.

Where are you people getting the idea that GTAV outsold Minecraft? Weird.

GTAV may have made more money than Minecraft which is maybe what's getting these guys confused.

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@Pedro said:

Not sure who is the market leader to be honest. Everything at the moment is hodgepodge of companies doing different things.

This... depends what you go off.

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#41 St_Monica
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NA/UK/EU - Sony

Japan - Nintendo

China - Tencent

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PC

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@lebanese_boy said:
@techhog89 said:
@X_CAPCOM_X said:

@lebanese_boy: that game is gtav, and MS does not own it.

Also, there is a correct answer to this question.

No, it's Minecraft.

Where are you people getting the idea that GTAV outsold Minecraft? Weird.

GTAV may have made more money than Minecraft which is maybe what's getting these guys confused.

GTA V isn't the highest grossing game. lol. It isn't even top ten... Forum gamers are in a bubble, but this is ridiculous.

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#44  Edited By Litchie
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I have no idea.

Sony would be likely, I guess. They have popular consoles and lots of other shit.
MS has perhaps even more shit, though, not sure.
Nintendo only makes games. If they would be the market leader, both MS and Sony would be incredibly owned.

Not sure what the point is with these kind of polls. It just comes down to which fanboys are online right now and sees this poll. If most Sony fanboys haven't been banned or scared away from this place by smarter people already, Sony's gonna win the poll as usual despite what it's about.

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#45 Techhog89
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@st_monica said:

NA/UK/EU - Sony

Japan - Nintendo

China - Tencent

Sony is leader in NA when Switch has been #1 in US unit sales every month for the past 2.5 years?

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@luxuryheart said:
@lebanese_boy said:
@techhog89 said:
@X_CAPCOM_X said:

@lebanese_boy: that game is gtav, and MS does not own it.

Also, there is a correct answer to this question.

No, it's Minecraft.

Where are you people getting the idea that GTAV outsold Minecraft? Weird.

GTAV may have made more money than Minecraft which is maybe what's getting these guys confused.

GTA V isn't the highest grossing game. lol. It isn't even top ten... Forum gamers are in a bubble, but this is ridiculous.

Actually it is. Maybe. Depending on what metric but GTA V did generate $1billion in 2020 for Take Two and as of April 2018 is the most profitable media product of all time.

Minecraft of course sold more but that game is $20 and usually hits $5.

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#47 St_Monica
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@techhog89: Well, it's true that the Switch is selling quite well in NA, but the total PS4 sales are still estimated to be higher. In addition, PS5 is the most popular next-gen console, but Nintendo has not yet answered it. Also, the most popular titles in NA, such as COD and Madden, are most played on PS4/PS5, but not on Switch.

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#48 SecretPolice
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The multi trillion $$$$$$$$$$ leader of course. ;o

I mean serially, was this really a question that needed to be asked? lol :P

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#49 WitIsWisdom
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I'd say at this current time it's probably SONY, Nintendo, MS. However Nintendo is at the front door and MS is scheming in the corner. Meanwhile SONY is SONY and sits there over confidently while drinking tea with their pinkies out and laughing smugly. Sometimes SONY needs a good smack to realign their goals... I truly hope that isn't the case yet once again. A healthy industry means all three are competing.

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#50 shellcase86
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@zerothehero said:

Market leader is the one leading current gen, for me thats the nintendo switch.

Switch is outselling PS5 and X-Series its the best selling system right now and has a big lead over the PS5 and XSX if thats not the leader I dunno what it is your outselling everyone else your winning.

How is the Switch beating out the PS4? If you're going by current sales, then yes you're right. As it it, there's less Switches than PS4s in homes. That likelt won't change soon.