Which game got best combat? & which game got worst combat?

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#1  Edited By indzman
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BEST COMBAT-Souls, Bloodborne

WORST COMBAT-The Witcher Trilogy

Well?

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Best = some of the DMC series

Not sure about the worst.

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#3  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Man, you gotta play more games if you think The Witcher has the worst combat lol. I mean, it's nothing to write home about, but it is far from 'worst' territory. Shit, games like Planescape have worse combat than Witcher any day. Elder Scrolls and pre-F4 Fallout as well. Then there's Assassin's Creed, Vampire Masquerade, and so on. And those aren't 'worst' either, just pointing out how your answer seems a bit ridiculous lol.

Anyway, Nioh far outdoes Souls and Bloodborne in terms of combat, so I can't say I agree with that answer either. This is without stepping out of RPGs and pointing out games like Bayonetta, DMC, and Ninja Gaiden.

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#4  Edited By deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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I take it that your list mentions RPGs only? Cause if you think The Witcher's combat is the worst combat than you havent played many games... and even RPG wise you can fair way worse than The Witcher 2/3 (Witcher 1 combat is really, really bad though, I giv'ya that)

Best: DMC 3/4

Worst: Maken Shao: Demon Sword or LotR: The Two Towers (PS2 games with atrocious combat)

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@charizard1605 said:

Man, you gotta play more games if you think The Witcher has the worst combat lol. I mean, it's nothing to write home about, but it is far from 'worst' territory. Shit, games like Planescape have worse combat than Witcher any day. Elder Scrolls and pre-F4 Fallout as well. Then there's Assassin's Creed, Vampire Masquerade, and so on.

Anyway, Nioh far outdoes Souls and Bloodborne in terms of combat, so I can't say I agree with that answer either. This is without stepping out of RPGs and pointing out games like Bayonetta, DMC, and Ninja Gaiden.

Haven't played Planescape but i personally prefer Elder Scrolls, Assassins Creed, VTMB and Fallout Combat over Witchers anyday lol.

Not a fan of Bayonetta combat, but Devil May Cry or God of War or Ninja Gaiden combat certainly TOP TIER combat. Yet to play Nioh tho :)

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worst combat the final fantasy series

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#7  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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Best Combat: Witcher 3: Wild Hunt & Horizon: Zero Dawn.

Worst Combat: Tales of Beseria & Skyrim.

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#8 Lucianu
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Well? What type of games are you talking about? As a whole, or just straight up role playing games? Why do the games you mention feature the best and the worst combat?

@indzman said:
@charizard1605 said:

Man, you gotta play more games if you think The Witcher has the worst combat lol. I mean, it's nothing to write home about, but it is far from 'worst' territory. Shit, games like Planescape have worse combat than Witcher any day. Elder Scrolls and pre-F4 Fallout as well. Then there's Assassin's Creed, Vampire Masquerade, and so on.

Anyway, Nioh far outdoes Souls and Bloodborne in terms of combat, so I can't say I agree with that answer either. This is without stepping out of RPGs and pointing out games like Bayonetta, DMC, and Ninja Gaiden.

Haven't played Planescape but i personally prefer Elder Scrolls, Assassins Creed, VTMB and Fallout Combat over Witchers anyday lol.

Not a fan of Bayonetta combat, but Devil May Cry or God of War or Ninja Gaiden combat certainly TOP TIER combat. Yet to play Nioh tho :)

No way, haha. I love Vampire TM -Bloodlines, but its "combat" is pure jank.

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@Lucianu said:

Well? What type of games are you talking about? As a whole, or just straight up role playing games? Why do the games you mention feature the best and the worst combat?

@indzman said:
@charizard1605 said:

Man, you gotta play more games if you think The Witcher has the worst combat lol. I mean, it's nothing to write home about, but it is far from 'worst' territory. Shit, games like Planescape have worse combat than Witcher any day. Elder Scrolls and pre-F4 Fallout as well. Then there's Assassin's Creed, Vampire Masquerade, and so on.

Anyway, Nioh far outdoes Souls and Bloodborne in terms of combat, so I can't say I agree with that answer either. This is without stepping out of RPGs and pointing out games like Bayonetta, DMC, and Ninja Gaiden.

Haven't played Planescape but i personally prefer Elder Scrolls, Assassins Creed, VTMB and Fallout Combat over Witchers anyday lol.

Not a fan of Bayonetta combat, but Devil May Cry or God of War or Ninja Gaiden combat certainly TOP TIER combat. Yet to play Nioh tho :)

No way, haha. I love Vampire TM -Bloodlines, but its "combat" is pure jank.

As a whole :)

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I'm thinking mainly Action games here.

Best game play is Souls style combat (Souls games/Nioh).

Worst game play is Uncharted and the like.

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@indzman said:
@Lucianu said:

Well? What type of games are you talking about? As a whole, or just straight up role playing games? Why do the games you mention feature the best and the worst combat?

@indzman said:
@charizard1605 said:

Man, you gotta play more games if you think The Witcher has the worst combat lol. I mean, it's nothing to write home about, but it is far from 'worst' territory. Shit, games like Planescape have worse combat than Witcher any day. Elder Scrolls and pre-F4 Fallout as well. Then there's Assassin's Creed, Vampire Masquerade, and so on.

Anyway, Nioh far outdoes Souls and Bloodborne in terms of combat, so I can't say I agree with that answer either. This is without stepping out of RPGs and pointing out games like Bayonetta, DMC, and Ninja Gaiden.

Haven't played Planescape but i personally prefer Elder Scrolls, Assassins Creed, VTMB and Fallout Combat over Witchers anyday lol.

Not a fan of Bayonetta combat, but Devil May Cry or God of War or Ninja Gaiden combat certainly TOP TIER combat. Yet to play Nioh tho :)

No way, haha. I love Vampire TM -Bloodlines, but its "combat" is pure jank.

As a whole :)

But you said in the post he quoted you prefer its combat over Witcher's combat lol

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@charizard1605 said:
@indzman said:
@Lucianu said:

Well? What type of games are you talking about? As a whole, or just straight up role playing games? Why do the games you mention feature the best and the worst combat?

@indzman said:
@charizard1605 said:

Man, you gotta play more games if you think The Witcher has the worst combat lol. I mean, it's nothing to write home about, but it is far from 'worst' territory. Shit, games like Planescape have worse combat than Witcher any day. Elder Scrolls and pre-F4 Fallout as well. Then there's Assassin's Creed, Vampire Masquerade, and so on.

Anyway, Nioh far outdoes Souls and Bloodborne in terms of combat, so I can't say I agree with that answer either. This is without stepping out of RPGs and pointing out games like Bayonetta, DMC, and Ninja Gaiden.

Haven't played Planescape but i personally prefer Elder Scrolls, Assassins Creed, VTMB and Fallout Combat over Witchers anyday lol.

Not a fan of Bayonetta combat, but Devil May Cry or God of War or Ninja Gaiden combat certainly TOP TIER combat. Yet to play Nioh tho :)

No way, haha. I love Vampire TM -Bloodlines, but its "combat" is pure jank.

As a whole :)

But you said in the post he quoted you prefer its combat over Witcher's combat lol

Yeah. He says VTMB combat is junk, i personally prefer it over The The Wicher :)

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That's quite a vague qeastion my friend.

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#14  Edited By ConanTheStoner  Online
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Best - DMC4, NG2, Bayo 1, and a slew of great fighting games.

Worst - Who fucking knows, but Bad Street Brawler NES is the first that comes to mind.

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#15 Lucianu
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Strictly speaking of the combat mechanics, the best i'd say are:

Bayonetta

Ninja Gaiden Black

Devil May Cry 4

And i just added God Hand to my collection, which i've never played before, tho i heard that apparently it's insanely hard and features some of the best combat ever designed in a video game, so i may give that a go tonight.

@indzman said:

Yeah. He says VTMB combat is junk, i personally prefer it over The The Wicher :)

Ok, i can respect that.

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So, what I surmise from the OP's post is he has played a total of 3 RPG games. Cool.

@indzman: You should probably play more games. You should start with Mars: War logs, The Technomancer, Skyrim, TESO, Dragon Age games, Fable, Kingdoms of Amalur, Risen 3 or any of the others, etc.

Then come back and answer the question honestly.

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Best: Smackdown Here Comes The Pain, Batman Arkham, God of War

Worst: Zelda(all of them)

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#18  Edited By freedomfreak
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Magus.

Play that shit. And then start talking about the worst combat in video games.

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#19 indzman
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@DragonfireXZ95 said:

So, what I surmise from the OP's post is he has played a total of 3 RPG games. Cool.

@indzman: You should probably play more games. You should start with Mars: War logs, The Technomancer, Skyrim, TESO, Dragon Age games, Fable, Kingdoms of Amalur, Risen 3 or any of the others, etc.

Then come back and answer the question honestly.

Played. Better than The Witcher combat ... imo :)

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Red Steel 2. Shooting and sword play.

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#21  Edited By Sam3231
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Witcher combat is pretty bad. Especially Witcher 1. CLICK CLICK ... CLICK. Oh boy.

Best combat - Air Combat for ps1. Great combat right there.

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Best Combat= Ninja Gaiden Black, Bayonetta

Worst Combat= Any turn based JRPG, the most coma inducing in the industry.

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#23  Edited By bussinrounds
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@charizard1605 said:

Man, you gotta play more games if you think The Witcher has the worst combat lol. I mean, it's nothing to write home about, but it is far from 'worst' territory. Shit, games like Planescape have worse combat than Witcher any day. Elder Scrolls and pre-F4 Fallout as well. Then there's Assassin's Creed, Vampire Masquerade, and so on. And those aren't 'worst' either, just pointing out how your answer seems a bit ridiculous lol.

Anyway, Nioh far outdoes Souls and Bloodborne in terms of combat, so I can't say I agree with that answer either. This is without stepping out of RPGs and pointing out games like Bayonetta, DMC, and Ninja Gaiden.

What a dumb post...comparing more traditional style non action cRPGs like the old FO games and PST to action RPGs, combat wise. Apples & oranges there.

Better off comparing these action RPGs to actual action games, as the combat is much more along the same lines.

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Best: Souls Series or any souls type games, God of war, Prince of Persia : WW and Two Thrones, Chrono Trigger, Most DMC games etc

Personally Liked: Witcher 1(Unpopular opinion), Tyranny, BioShock Infinite, Shadow Warrior, Fallout 1, Darksiders series, Xmen Origins Wolverine etc

Worst: Dragon Age Origins, Planescape Torment, Any top down ARPGs, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy 7, Shadow of the colossus(Still one of my favorite games), Bioshock, Dark Sector, Gears Of War etc

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#25  Edited By indzman
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@Gamerno6666 said:

Best: Souls Series or any souls type games, God of war, Prince of Persia : WW and Two Thrones, Chrono Trigger, Most DMC games etc

Personally Liked: Witcher 1(Unpopular opinion), Tyranny, BioShock Infinite, Shadow Warrior, Fallout 1, Darksiders series, Xmen Origins Wolverine etc

Worst: Dragon Age Origins, Planescape Torment, Any top down ARPGs, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy 7, Shadow of the colossus(Still one of my favorite games), Bioshock, Dark Sector, Gears Of War etc

Hold it right there,

You enjoyed Infinite Combat, but you disliked Bioshock Combat? :P

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#26  Edited By Archangel3371
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Best combat:

- Ninja Gaiden Black

- Devil May Cry 3

- Bayonetta 1 and 2

Worst combat:

- Final Fantasy XIII

:P

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#27  Edited By deactivated-5ebea105efb64
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@indzman said:
@Gamerno6666 said:

Best: Souls Series or any souls type games, God of war, Prince of Persia : WW and Two Thrones, Chrono Trigger, Most DMC games etc

Personally Liked: Witcher 1(Unpopular opinion), Tyranny, BioShock Infinite, Shadow Warrior, Fallout 1, Darksiders series, Xmen Origins Wolverine etc

Worst: Dragon Age Origins, Planescape Torment, Any top down ARPGs, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy 7, Shadow of the colossus(Still one of my favorite games), Bioshock, Dark Sector, Gears Of War etc

Hold it right there,

You enjoyed Infinite Combat, but you disliked Bioshock Combat? :P

Yup. I wasn't invested in infinite's combat at first but the more I played it, the more it grew on me. As for the original Bioshock, I didn't enjoy the combat at all. I was just playing for the story.

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#28 indzman
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@Gamerno6666 said:
@indzman said:
@Gamerno6666 said:

Best: Souls Series or any souls type games, God of war, Prince of Persia : WW and Two Thrones, Chrono Trigger, Most DMC games etc

Personally Liked: Witcher 1(Unpopular opinion), Tyranny, BioShock Infinite, Shadow Warrior, Fallout 1, Darksiders series, Xmen Origins Wolverine etc

Worst: Dragon Age Origins, Planescape Torment, Any top down ARPGs, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy 7, Shadow of the colossus(Still one of my favorite games), Bioshock, Dark Sector, Gears Of War etc

Hold it right there,

You enjoyed Infinite Combat, but you disliked Bioshock Combat? :P

Yup. I wasn't invested in infinite's combat at first but the more I played it, the more it grew on me. As for the original Bioshock, I didn't enjoy the combat at all. I was just playing for the story.

Ahhh!

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Best: FEAR, Doom 2016

Worst: Witcher 3, Assassins creed, Batman

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#30 indzman
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@ghosts4ever said:

Best: FEAR, Doom 2016

Worst: Witcher 3, Assassins creed, Batman

Warent you prasing a new Assassins Creed gameplay lately on SW?

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@indzman said:
@ghosts4ever said:

Best: FEAR, Doom 2016

Worst: Witcher 3, Assassins creed, Batman

Warent you prasing a new Assassins Creed gameplay lately on SW?

no. i was just calling origins to have different combat. otherwise AC combat is one button combat. same as Batman.

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Best:

Frankly I love a game like Rising Storm 2 Vietnam that does its best to simulate how a gun would act and how a bullet would fly.

One bullet to the head or heart can be the end of a man (yeah, no game logic just real logic)

Other injuries can be taken care of.

You shot at someone but he was quick enough to hide behind a wall ? Well maybe he is still hiding over there and if you got the right type of bullet and gun (say an assault rifle) there is a high chance you can hit him through a wall.

Some very clever game design and combat design. Leads to terrifying, but at the same time enjoyable experiences.

Worst:

I don't like turn based combat one bit. There is only one exception to that and that was Paper Mario, and honestly I played that game for it's wit and charm, not the combat system.

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As I get older, I appreciate turn-based combat more and more. If I'm playing an RPG or really any game with a stats-based leveling system, I prefer turn-based to action, simply because playing a gimped action game (which is pretty much what most action rpgs are before you get leveled up) isn't much fun. I do still love straight-up action games, though. I'd say:

Best real-time: Ninja Gaiden Black

Best turn-based: XCOM (only played new XCOM, old is too old for me to get into, but it seems better on paper)

Worst real-time: Kingdom Hearts

Worst turn-based: FF13

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@indzman said:

BEST COMBAT-Souls, Bloodborne

WORST COMBAT-The Witcher Trilogy

Well?

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#35 enzyme36
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Best Combat: Pandora's Tower

Worst Combat: The Last of Us

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@PurpleMan5000 said:

Best turn-based: XCOM (only played new XCOM, old is too old for me to get into, but it seems better on paper)

Play Jagged Alliance 2 (and the 1.13 mod for it) It's even better than the old X-Com. (which is better than the new one, btw) Not a fan at all of the removal of time units in the new one.

Some other TB games with really good combat are.... Temple of Elemental Evil, Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic and Knights of the Chalice.

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@bussinrounds said:
@PurpleMan5000 said:

Best turn-based: XCOM (only played new XCOM, old is too old for me to get into, but it seems better on paper)

Play Jagged Alliance 2 (and the 1.13 mod for it) It's even better than the old X-Com. (which is better than the new one, btw) Not a fan at all of the removal of time units in the new one.

Some other TB games with really good combat are.... Temple of Elemental Evil, Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic and Knights of the Chalice.

Absolute gem.

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Best:

Action: Devil May Cry 4
Tactical: Jagged Alliance 2

Worst:

Action: Monster Hunter
Tactical: Dragon Age: Origins

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#40 360ru13r
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Depends on the genre.

Best Action: DMC series

Worst Action: Can't think of one off hand.

Best RPG: Neverwinter Nights (Not the MMO)

Worst RPG: Older Final Fantasy only because I didn't like the way they did turn based combat.

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Best: DMC / Bloodborne

Worst: Xenoblade

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I always liked Mount&Blade combat.

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Best - Ninja Gaiden 2 and DMC3 for hack and slash , Doom 2016 for FPS

I really hate the FF12/ Kotor/ MMO style of combat. I think it's a shitty hybrid of turn based and real time and should die.

IDK about worst, but Halo's combat has always felt pretty underwhelming to me.

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#44  Edited By RPGFanatic619
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Best Turn Based : Persona 3-5, XCOM, Fire Emblem, Baldur's Gate, Pillars of Eternity, Paper Mario.

Worst Turn Based: Final Fantasy series, Bravely Default(gradually sucked)

Best Real Time: Bayonetta, Souls, The Witcher, Wind Waker,

Worst Real Time: Resident Evil 4(Still a great game thou), Fallout 3, Gears of War, Uncharted

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#45 jg4xchamp
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Best: Devil May Cry 4

Worst: idk

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#46  Edited By Litchie  Online
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@Gamerno6666 said:

Personally Liked: Witcher 1(Unpopular opinion)

I actually liked it as well. Probably my favorite part of the game. I also enjoyed the atmosphere of it more than the sequels..

@Maroxad said:

Worst:

Action: Monster Hunter

How so? I found the combat to be a fun variation of lots of combos and specials to learn, and knowing when to do them and when to dodge and stuff, studying the movements and attacks of monsters.. I admit that there's a "sluggishness" you have to get used to, though.

Not sure what I'd list myself, but I want to mention Wind Waker and DOOM (that goes for DOOM1&2 as well, seriously, that gameplay from the past man).

I haven't played Ninja Gaiden, DMC and Bayo didn't click with me. Hence me not listing those..

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#47 Jag85
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Best - Street Figher series

Worst - The Elder Scrolls series

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#48 nethernova
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@ghosts4ever said:

no. i was just calling origins to have different combat. otherwise AC combat is one button combat. same as Batman.

And the same as Doom. You press one button to shoot. Casual crap.

Anyway, Mario games have the worst combat.

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#49 lamprey263
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Two games that come to mind that had horrible combat were Enslaved and Deadly Premonition... but what they both have on common is that I loved both for their stories.

Two games with exceptional combat I love is both Gears 4 and Halo 5, really solid combat mechanics and theirthe Horde and Firefight modes keep me constantly engaged with them.

Max Payne 3 was a really solid and satisfying TPS that few others can live up to, most people seem to hate it though seemingly for no other reason than just to let people know how old school they are that they can't like a game with health regeneration and cover mechanics.

I also really loved the combat mechanics in the Dead space series, and I enjoyed each of them, even the third.

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#50 svenus97
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Morrowind has awful combat.