What's so hard about maintaining a PC? What driver incompatibilities?

The difference is

1. Xbox 360 has a hardware problem which is similar to NVIDIA's mobile G8X bumpgate problems. How about $2000 gaming laptop failing instead of cheap Xbox 360 $399 priced hardware?

NVIDIA and their partners was forced to fix this problem via a class action court battle. NVIDIA's mobile G8X bumpgate caused me to jump ship towards AMD GPUs.

Xbox 360 is long dead.

2. NVIDIA has software problem and it occurred recently as Windows 10 upgrade year.

You have no idea what I meant by "incompatibility".

If people mean driver problems and conflicts then thats what they should be saying instead.

My personal favorites were:

- You can only play PC games on a desk while on consoles you can play on the couch

- PC screens are small but on consoles you can play on 60inch flat screens

These days, it maintains itself.

I barely have to do anything.

TVs also have much higher input lag.

Monitors are have very little input lag, and they have better resolutions and panels that accept higher than 60hz.

Frankly, I'd be left at a complete loss without the Internet. I'd say over 90% of my problems I've had have been fixable after a little research online, and if I can't get a solution, at least I can get an explanation. The net is an invaluable resource for PC gaming.

Well, most recently I tried to play Shadow Warrior on my laptop and for some reason the game didnt started. I've my drivers up to date and still the game doesnt boot... uninstalled it and installed Sleeping Dogs instead

Yaaaahhhhh, i don't think those are very comparable. But even so, i think you're missing the point about technology in general.

Yah, lets go back to that first comment.

So are your arguments.

Like... you seem to think we live in this world where consoles are not simply small form PCs that don't have the same problems...... Yah, obviously when you take one device and compare it to 5,000 devices, the 5,000 devices are going to have a wider range of issues, that is the nature of technology, suck it up or so live in the woods.

Reminder, consoles are no longer competing with one another, they are no longer trying to create something new and outdo sony or ms or nintendo.... they are trying to keep up with PCs now and they are doing so by using the same exact parts. Guess what that leads to? Ohhhh surprise... the same problems!

Just Sony & MS alone are trying to chase PC dream, NOT Nintendo themselves. Nintendo Switch is doing it's own thing by innovating and it's a true next-gen console that's NOT trying to be PC wannabe. There's a reason why I always be praising Switch and why I'm enjoying it as well and this is coming from a PC gamer.

@Jebus213: it's bullshit. Now, back in the MS-DOS through Windows 98 era it was pretty bad. You had to have some competence with those issues. Got much better with XP, and since Windows 7 I haven't had a single problem (except with Windows store, and with mods, but the latter is an "at your own risk" thing of course)

The only times a PC has crashed on me in the last 5 years is when I am overclocking.

My PS4 has crashed more than my current PC and my 360... Well that POS RROD twice on me and crashed more times than a blind kid on a bumper kart ride.

Yep, only drivers for me were a couple from Aorus, Win 10 did the rest.

PC has come a long way and made plenty of advancements in making it easier and better to play games.

But PC will never shake the "it's the land of no life neckbeards"

Right, i should have actually been a bit more clear on this. Sony and MS seem to be chasing PC (something they will never catch) and nintendo seems to be chasing tablets and phones. Nintendo is a lot like Apple where they never really innovate, simply take others ideas and nearly perfect them.

My point was that we are no longer seeing consoles trying to build new and better systems to compete with one another. They are all just mimicking other devices and trying to enter realms they probably shouldnt, which is also why its a losing scenario for these companies unless they adapt.

Nothing, simply some people don't wanna learn :)

Gaming is not worth the trouble, and i perfectly understand that.

I havent had an issue for that for quite a while.

Windows updates can cause issues. One of the things that's in updates are patches where they basically use you as a ginny pig, it's kind of a like a beta update where they test some changes. Unless you disable all the telemetry, they monitor your actions, they know what you click on and what you don't..etc

The major updates are the ones I've had the most issues with. The minimal it does is reinstall all the default apps and files that I manually delete using 3rd party tools and I'm stuck having to manually redo all my preference tweaks again. The worst has caused problems with VR, performance and other annoying things that I just ended up reinstalling. It's annoying when they make little changes in system files or apps only to find it's not working and take it away as it'll be something that works fine one day then is all weird the next because they slapped me with their beta bs without me realizing. Enterprise users don't get these kinds of updates until it's deemed not faulty but home users do...that's bs imo.

As long as you play ball MS's way or you use LTSB, your fine. If you use NTlite..things like that, is where they seem to think they know what I want. So I use another app that shuts off updates and never an issue. I initially had LTSB but GTA 5 wouldn't run without a codec error no matter what I tried so I ended up going back to Home.

I actually can't remember the last time I had any kind of problem with any PC game. Driver issues are a distant memory from the long forgotten past.

Consoles are great for exclusives well PS4 is, PC's are great for exclusives and best for multiplats them is the facts folks no opinions involved.

Of course you could get a really shit PC with no exclusives (Xbox One X) but yeah... I really wouldn't do that. No.

1. They are lying.

2. They are dumb.

3. They are trolling.

One of the above.

It's a shame you have such a narrow view of the PC platform. You misunderstand the true strength of the PC platform... its versatility. I have my PC hooked up to a 1440p 144hz G-Sync monitor and I also have it hooked up to a 4K OLED HDR TV. I can assure you that the experience is amazing on both. I will swap out between using the monitor and TV depending on the usage scenario. Same goes for M+KB and controller.

BTW, you should probably upgrade your 290X CF setup there Nya. It must struggle these days. Especially when games are lacking CF support.

OK so many things wrong here

- 4K is currently the highest resolution available on the mainstream market, and there are 4K TVs, so resolution is not a problem.

- There are lots of TVs with over 60Hz refresh rate, 4K TVs generally have 400Hz, so yea you can also get smooth frame rate using a TV as well.

- Yes most TVs have higher input lag than monitors, input lags however can be as "bad" as 6ms, which is nothing if you are playing single player, not every PC gamer plays like an ULTRA competitive nerd that requires every tiny bit of micro seconds in their button input. You can play casualy as well and a TV does the job just fine, Some people just like to enjoy their games on a larger screen than 27inch.

- Point? there is no such thing as a "point" of PC gaming, you can build a gaming PC to do whatever the hell you want with it, I can build a weak PC, I can build a powerful PC, and play Minecraft with it, why? because I say so. and I can build a PC and use it on a TV, again, because I want to. Consoles can ONLY be used on a TV (with specific input sockets mind you), PCs can be used on ALL forms of monitors.

You fail to understand that the true power of the PC is that it can be versatile, you can do many MANY things with a PC that you couldn't with a console.

That's a flat out lie or perhaps you have a short memory. Drivers issues are far from a thing of the past.

You also apparently haven't messed with VR. Vive alone has had lots of driver and firmware issues. Even to the point where the firmware update for the base station was bricking them, making them useless, it took over a month for HTC/Valve to remove the firmware update. Oculus had a good run of driver issues involving their controllers and tracking.

There are also tons of bugs for the Nvidia and ATI video cards...all you have to do is look up the known bug issues for each released driver, duh. Some people don't even realize there's a driver issue and instead blame the game itself. As far as PC game issues...where have you been? Arkam Knight? AC: Unity? Have you not seen the countless game patches for just about every single PC game released?

Don't get me started on the audio driver bugs. The fact is, though many bugs are either easy to ignore or don't effect every person depending on their setup, for those that they do effect can be game breaking.

A PC can be troublesome if you are not tech savvy or willing to learn

PC is extremely easy to maintain, keep it clean and don't download crap or adware into it.

That's why I crack up when I see cows hiding behind PCs and bragging about their specs compared to the X1X, they act like owning a gaming PC is sacred and only the super elite can do it.

building PCs is easy.

Dont forget you have to manually put the IRQ and DMA values in order to have sound on pc DOS games. That is really hardcore stuff. You also need to buy pc magazines that have disks with utilities and drivers if you dont have the internets

Look at the release notes for any driver release from either nvidia or amd. They're loaded with bugs. LOL @ insecure hermits pretending that pc gaming is not an annoying hassle.

I Polish My PC.

At least Nvidia and AMD include a "Known Issues" list in their release notes. Consoles gamers have to find out for themselves.

https://www.polygon.com/2017/3/22/15022232/ps4-wi-fi-broken-firmware-4-50

And consoles have become annoying hassles as well, but somewhat less so