What is the apeal of military war shooters?

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#1 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

Hello system warriors,

So i was thinking because im a Big FPS guy. FPS is heart and soul of my life and my life cant complete without FPS games. but then i see horde of military war games. and i never understand the apeal of them i think they are extremely boring and uninspired. especially compare to Real FPS like Half life or Doom. they dont have any creativity. not to mention forgettable protagonist american hero overcome the odd.

Non military shooter either they are half life, doom, quake, stalker etc have tons of variety and creavity. science fiction fast paced unrealistic shooters are always lot of fun. I just cant stand psedo realistic shooters.

what is so brilliant about military army games? compare to old school hardcore shooters.

Regards

SYSTEM-REBOOT

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#2 Edited by freedomfreak (49151 posts) -

cuz shooting tewrawrists is fun

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#3 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

cuz shooting tewrawrists is fun

i prefer shooting demons, aliens etc

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#4 Posted by speedfreak48t5p (12095 posts) -

Better question: what's the appeal of you making bad threads?

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#5 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

Humans kill.

Not a big history buff I see?

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#6 Posted by Blabadon (33030 posts) -

So every once in a while someone can ask this question and make Spec Ops The Line

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#7 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@speedfreak48t5p said:

Better question: what's the appeal of you making bad threads?

compare lo wang a badass protagonist who shoot and cut by sword everyone who is on his way alone vs generic soldier following orders.

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#9 Posted by freedomfreak (49151 posts) -
@system-reboot said:

i prefer shooting demons, aliens etc

Educate yourself.

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#10 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@farrell2k said:

People enjoy simulating and fantasizing about killing people. If you enjoy these types of games, you have mental issues, and if you live in the U.S., you should never be allowed near a gun. Real life is already too violent. Why would anyone find this fun?

Not sure if serious...

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#11 Posted by Heil68 (56969 posts) -

Playing with guns and shooting people in head never gets old.

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#12 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

@farrell2k said:

People enjoy simulating and fantasizing about killing people. If you enjoy these types of games, you have mental issues, and if you live in the U.S., you should never be allowed near a gun. Real life is already too violent. Why would anyone find this fun?

DNA?

Joseph Stalin: 14 million

Amercain Civil war 400 thousand

Hitler reign: 10 million

Native American Indians: Forced to almost extinction.

Atom Bombs: Hiroshima Nagasaki

Russian Afghan war 10 million Afghan deaths.

Japan occupation of China.

The middle east for over a thousand years of war.

Religion....The death numbers can not even be tracked.

Africa

Worldwide daily murders.

The list is endless.

Men kill. End of story.

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#13 Edited by jun_aka_pekto (21126 posts) -

I liked Doom. I liked Quake. I also liked Duke Nukem 3D. I liked Half Life...meh. You can toss Stalker out the window. Stalker isn't fast-paced. It still feels like a military FPS to me except I'm shooting mutants/monsters. Take Metro with you while you're at it.

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#14 Posted by clone01 (26538 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@speedfreak48t5p said:

Better question: what's the appeal of you making bad threads?

compare lo wang a badass protagonist who shoot and cut by sword everyone who is on his way alone vs generic soldier following orders.

You weren't despised enough, so you feel the need to ban dodge, Sniper?

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#16 Edited by MonsieurX (35799 posts) -

Non military shooter,Half-Life?

You fight the military for a while in both of them

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#17 Posted by pyro1245 (2411 posts) -

Military shooters have been getting stale for a long time. They used to be fun, back when bf1942 was popping off. Thankfully we have UT4 incoming .

@jun_aka_pekto said:

I liked Doom. I liked Half Life. You can toss Stalker out the window. Stalker isn't fast-paced. It still feels like a military FPS to me except I'm shooting mutants/monsters. Take Metro with you while you're at it.

Stalker is more of a survival game. Not for people who want to just run and gun.

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#18 Posted by clone01 (26538 posts) -

@farrell2k said:

People enjoy simulating and fantasizing about killing people. If you enjoy these types of games, you have mental issues, and if you live in the U.S., you should never be allowed near a gun. Real life is already too violent. Why would anyone find this fun?

That's a fairly ignorant comment. But I get it, its always fun to make blanket statements about something you know nothing about.

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#19 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:

Non military shooter,Half-Life?

You fight the military for a while in both of them

never thought gordon freeman is soldier. he is scientist

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#20 Posted by Snugenz (13388 posts) -

Duh cos murder simulator. In FOX we trust.

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#21 Edited by MonsieurX (35799 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@MonsieurX said:

Non military shooter,Half-Life?

You fight the military for a while in both of them

never thought gordon freeman is soldier. he is scientist

So,because Freeman isn't a military,the game's not military?

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#23 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:

@system-reboot said:

@MonsieurX said:

Non military shooter,Half-Life?

You fight the military for a while in both of them

never thought gordon freeman is soldier. he is scientist

So,because Freeman isn't a military,the game's not military?

Thats alien empire combine.

not human. not military.

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#24 Edited by cainetao11 (29727 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

Hello system warriors,

So i was thinking because im a Big FPS guy. FPS is heart and soul of my life and my life cant complete without FPS games. but then i see horde of military war games. and i never understand the apeal of them i think they are extremely boring and uninspired. especially compare to Real FPS like Half life or Doom. they dont have any creativity. not to mention forgettable protagonist american hero overcome the odd.

Non military shooter either they are half life, doom, quake, stalker etc have tons of variety and creavity. science fiction fast paced unrealistic shooters are always lot of fun. I just cant stand psedo realistic shooters.

what is so brilliant about military army games? compare to old school hardcore shooters.

Regards

SYSTEM-REBOOT

Half life's protaganist is an american physist hero that does fight the military, Doom 3's was a marine. Well I know why I preferred MOH (modernwarfare) over COD of those respective years and a few buddies in the army did also. Because firing the M4 in that game sounded and had the 'feel' of the M4 we fired. It had a satisfying gunplay to it.

Now as for whats the draw to them? People like to feel badass without having to risk anything. You said so yourself in another thread you want to feel like a badass. Would you really be one if demons or headless farting, three legged buldogs invaded our plane of existence? Who cares you get to pretend with no consequences. And some people prefer to pretend they are doing the very things that Soldiers are asked to do, albeit these games are far from realistic, but the equipment, some settings are. And people get to feel like a badass, spec ops soldier without even having to deal with basic training. Its entertainment.

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#25 Edited by MonsieurX (35799 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@MonsieurX said:

@system-reboot said:

@MonsieurX said:

Non military shooter,Half-Life?

You fight the military for a while in both of them

never thought gordon freeman is soldier. he is scientist

So,because Freeman isn't a military,the game's not military?

Thats alien empire combine.

not human. not military.

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Freeman fights the Marines before reaching the surface of Black Mesa, where he learns that scientists from the Lambda Complex may have the means to resolve the problems created by the cascade. Gordon travels to the other end of the facility to assist them.[20] However, Gordon encounters several hurdles throughout the facility, such as reactivating a rocket engine test facility to destroy a giant creature of three tentacles,[21] using an aged railway system in order to get to and launch a crucial satellite rocket,[22] and fighting a group of Black Ops soldiers,[23] before he is captured by Marines and dumped in a garbage compactor. Gordon escapes and makes his way to an older part of the facility where he discovers an extensive collection of specimens collected from Xen, long before the resonance cascade.[24]

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#26 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@MonsieurX said:

@system-reboot said:

@MonsieurX said:

Non military shooter,Half-Life?

You fight the military for a while in both of them

never thought gordon freeman is soldier. he is scientist

So,because Freeman isn't a military,the game's not military?

Thats alien empire combine.

not human. not military.

Well they're part human

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#27 Edited by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@lostrib said:

Well they're part human

But its still science fiction. not modern military

im talking about psedo realistic military games where you follow order. gordon freeman follow no ones order. same as Doom guy.

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#28 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

@farrell2k said:

@b4x said:

DNA?

Joseph Stalin: 14 million

Amercain Civil war 400 thousand

Hitler reign: 10 million

Native American Indians: Forced to almost extinction.

Atom Bombs: Hiroshima Nagasaki

Japan occupation of China.

The middle east for over a thousand years of war.

Religion....The death numbers can not even be tracked.

Worldwide daily murders.

The list is endless.

Men kill. End of story.

I don't think we disagree that the people who committed these atrocities had mental issues, but the question still stands: "What is the appeal of simulating the gruesome killing of another human being, especially in a war setting where is happens so frequently?" If simulating shooting someone in the head with a sniper rifle, or bowing off limbs, etc is "fun", why not games where you simulate the abortion of fetuses, or the murder and dismemberment of people, like a serial killer? There has to be a reason why many consider simulating the killing of a person one way is "acceptable", why other ways are not. I have no idea why anyone would ever want to even think about another human getting hurt like that, never mind actually simulating it and being gratified by it, especially in a war setting with war and killing being two of the most offensive things I can think of.

Those guys may have been insane, sane men did the killing.

I don't think Good people want to kill. I think sometimes our hands are forced.

Humans are the killing machines on this planet. It's in our DNA. The food chain dictates this fact.

This will never change. If a human is cornered or threatened, instinct takes over. Death is sometimes the only solution.

If your life was challenged you would kill in a heartbeat or you would die.

In America we live in a make believe society. Where people think this soil is not stained with the blood of millions of domestic or foreign men, woman, and children. They choose to wear blinders to the truth. The reality of it must be to hard? Everyday someone is dying to protect this false reality from the truth. America dumps billions into the Military a year, to protect this fairy tale society. To give people in our country the freedom to believe in this lie, that the killing that goes on everyday is not happening.

The fact of the matter is. Those billions of dollars in military are the only thing protecting us from the harsh reality of certain death or invasion.

You cannot spin history. It is the only truth of who we really are as a species. To deny that is a delusion.

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#29 Posted by PyratRum (754 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@MonsieurX said:

Non military shooter,Half-Life?

You fight the military for a while in both of them

never thought gordon freeman is soldier. he is scientist

Opposing Force has you playing as Adrian Shepard, a US Marine Corporal sent in with the Hazardous Environment Combat Unit.

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#30 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (9075 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

Real FPS

Boy, oh boy, let's get super-ultra subjective to the 3rd degree! Let me translate that for you:

"FPS games that I like"

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#32 Posted by Boddicker (4314 posts) -

In all honesty IDK. It seems to be big with the "dudebros" though.

I prefer my FPS experience to be more fantastical like in the far future.

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#33 Edited by jun_aka_pekto (21126 posts) -

@pyro1245 said:

Military shooters have been getting stale for a long time. They used to be fun, back when bf1942 was popping off. Thankfully we have UT4 incoming .

@jun_aka_pekto said:

I liked Doom. I liked Half Life. You can toss Stalker out the window. Stalker isn't fast-paced. It still feels like a military FPS to me except I'm shooting mutants/monsters. Take Metro with you while you're at it.

Stalker is more of a survival game. Not for people who want to just run and gun.

I go by feel when playing these games. Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, and UT have that fast-paced feel that separates them from other FPS games. The rest, HL2, Stalker, Metro, BF, Crysis, KZ, all have a "slower" feel like the military FPS the TC mentioned. It's just a matter of the external cladding or theme.

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#34 Edited by edwardecl (2241 posts) -
@freedomfreak said:

cuz shooting tewrawrists is fun

Alah Akbar... bang bang bang.

Most FPs games are total crap though, because it always turns into a one man army Rambo game with regenerating health, which is fine if the game had something else to offer.

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#35 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

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Most FPs games are total crap though, because it always turns into a one man army Rambo game with regenerating health, which is fine if the game had something else to offer.

LOL. i guess you havenot played many FPS games other than modern console FPS.

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#36 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (9075 posts) -

@farrell2k said:

If you enjoy these types of games, you have mental issues

Yeah, that's not a fair assumption.

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#37 Posted by parkurtommo (28287 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:
@system-reboot said:

i prefer shooting demons, aliens etc

Educate yourself.

Hey that's my siggy right there :3

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#38 Posted by freedomfreak (49151 posts) -
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Hey that's my siggy right there :3

You're famous now!

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#39 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:
@system-reboot said:

i prefer shooting demons, aliens etc

Educate yourself.

why are you rubbing corn on Kevin VanOrd's face

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#40 Posted by PrincessGomez92 (4694 posts) -

I don't know, man. Perfect Dark Zero, a hardcore sci-fi FPS, is so much better than that casual trash.

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#41 Edited by parkurtommo (28287 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:
@parkurtommo said:

Hey that's my siggy right there :3

You're famous now!

One day, I will be rich and famous because of you, on that day I will repay you, good sir.

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#43 Posted by wolverine4262 (20816 posts) -

They are a hell of a lot more interesting than military peace shooters.

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#44 Edited by Wasdie (52662 posts) -

Mainly because they are fun. Military hardware is fun to use, fighting in imaginary war scenarios is fun to do, generally playing warfare on a computer is a lot more fun than waging it in real life.

Military shooters come in all forms and each has their own appeal. They have plenty of their own variety. Each series does something a bit different and combines its own unique gameplay elements. It's extremely ignorant to ignore that. Each series has its own way of doing things much like all of the series you mentioned. The only major difference is that there are a lot more military shooters lately as people who enjoy the series keep buying them. From game to game they are all very different just like any of the games you mentioned.

So when people say "oh great more military shooters" it's almost always in reference to the newest game in an established series. We would be saying "oh great, another arena shooter" if 2-3 arena shooter series had a game released each year. Market saturation based upon demand has made a lot of people not see the bigger picture. Sequels in a popular franchise release far more frequently than they used to and there are far more popular franchises out there across a larger variety of platforms.

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#45 Posted by freedomfreak (49151 posts) -
@lostrib said:

why are you rubbing corn on Kevin VanOrd's face

Cuz he's amaizing.

@parkurtommo said:

One day, I will be rich and famous because of you, on that day I will repay you, good sir.

Ooooooooh!

In tuna, I hope!

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#46 Edited by parkurtommo (28287 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

@lostrib said:

why are you rubbing corn on Kevin VanOrd's face

Cuz he's amaizing.

@parkurtommo said:

One day, I will be rich and famous because of you, on that day I will repay you, good sir.

Ooooooooh!

In tuna, I hope!

Nope, in fried tarantulas.

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#47 Posted by freedomfreak (49151 posts) -
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Nope, in fried tarantulas.