What has this gen actually brought to the table that didn't exist previously?

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#1 NyaDC
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After thinking about it I can't really come up with anything when really trying to break things down, can you guys lol?

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#2  Edited By MonsieurX
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Streaming directly from the consoles?

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@MonsieurX said:

Streaming directly from the consoles?

Egh I mean, sure, but that's been a reality on PC for years and years beforehand. Have these consoles actually provided anything that could not outright be gotten or experienced before they came to be?

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@nyadc said:
@MonsieurX said:

Streaming directly from the consoles?

Egh I mean, sure, but that's been a reality on PC for years and years beforehand. Have these consoles actually provided anything that could not outright be gotten or experienced before they came to be?

Considering PC doesn't really have gens.

So you want things that weren't already done by the PC before? Good luck

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@MonsieurX said:
@nyadc said:
@MonsieurX said:

Streaming directly from the consoles?

Egh I mean, sure, but that's been a reality on PC for years and years beforehand. Have these consoles actually provided anything that could not outright be gotten or experienced before they came to be?

Considering PC doesn't really have gens.

So you want things that weren't already done by the PC before? Good luck

I'm just speaking in general, not necessarily consoles, just as far as everything is concerned.

Is there anything?

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The TV/media integration with the Xbox One

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better graphics, smoother gameplay. Some promise of cloud computing which I have yet to see come to fruition.

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The TV/media integration with the Xbox One

This is kind of something, you could always hook your TV up to your PC but it never had the total integration and abilities the Xbox One brought with it.

What about starting games before they're completely installed?

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Pre-downloading?

Wii U on the other hand gave us Gamepad, and that's all I can think of.

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#10  Edited By deactivated-57d8401f17c55
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Just better graphics and frame rates. Ps4 could do some fancy physics stuff but it'd have to heavily sacrifice graphics to do it. Well, the new twins can also have bigger and more seamless open worlds compared to last gen.

But in a lot of ways, this is gen 7.5.

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Pre-downloading?

Wii U on the other hand gave us Gamepad, and that's all I can think of.

What do you mean by pre-downloading?

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#12  Edited By chikenfriedrice
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@nyadc said:
@chikenfriedrice said:

The TV/media integration with the Xbox One

This is kind of something, you could always hook your TV up to your PC but it never had the total integration and abilities the Xbox One brought with it.

What about starting games before they're completely installed?

That's how I have my One hooked up....seamless between TV, apps and games....the ability to control all that with kinect ( voice ) along with all your devices ( TV, Audio ) is pretty sweet.

Yeah starting games before complete install is also something the PC does not do....I rarely use it though :P

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#13  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@nyadc: Sorry about that, I mean pre-loading games when you buy them digital.

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@davillain- said:

@nyadc: Sorry about that, I mean pre-loading games when you buy them digital.

That's not new, that's been around for years and years beforehand.

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@nyadc said:
@MonsieurX said:

Streaming directly from the consoles?

Egh I mean, sure, but that's been a reality on PC for years and years beforehand. Have these consoles actually provided anything that could not outright be gotten or experienced before they came to be?

Lol so I guess we can write off 95% of Xbox's contributions to the console space then.

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#16  Edited By lamprey263
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Kind of hard to reinvent the wheel, last gen brought so many features I'm fine if they stop trying to force more down our throat. Nothing last gen was particularly new. I mean wireless controllers and online gaming and demos and friends lists and updates and all that had already been done before just not streamlined and put nicely in a tight little package made readily available to consumers; yeah, that was a first.

All the next gen really has to offer is more of the same on a more capable machine. I don't know why things have to be any more complex than that. That's essentially been the progression of things my entire life as a gamer.

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@bobrossperm said:
@nyadc said:
@MonsieurX said:

Streaming directly from the consoles?

Egh I mean, sure, but that's been a reality on PC for years and years beforehand. Have these consoles actually provided anything that could not outright be gotten or experienced before they came to be?

Lol so I guess we can write off 95% of Xbox's contributions to the console space then.

Nothing wrong with that and that's not the focus, the focus is have they brought anything actually new?

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#18 BobRossPerm
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I'd put shareplay on there. Pre-downloading is another one. Being able to play a game as it's downloading or installing is a huge plus. But also a step backwards when you factor in the fact you have to install every game now.

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I'd put shareplay on there. Pre-downloading is another one. Being able to play a game as it's downloading or installing is a huge plus. But also a step backwards when you factor in the fact you have to install every game now.

I'd say shareplay is one, I mean you could technically take control of a person's PC through certain programs but games were not the intent of that and couldn't actually be played as far as I'm aware.

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Why does it necessarily need to? Generations don't need to massively innovate in hardware, because I play games for games.

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#21  Edited By BobRossPerm
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@nyadc said:
@bobrossperm said:
@nyadc said:
@MonsieurX said:

Streaming directly from the consoles?

Egh I mean, sure, but that's been a reality on PC for years and years beforehand. Have these consoles actually provided anything that could not outright be gotten or experienced before they came to be?

Lol so I guess we can write off 95% of Xbox's contributions to the console space then.

Nothing wrong with that and that's not the focus, the focus is have they brought anything actually new?

To the console space? Yeah. Sharing your footage with ease, DVR out for Xbox, Shareplay for PS4. Anything that will become the standard in future generations? Maybe the sharing function availability. But something truely new? When did any platform do that lately?

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@MirkoS77 said:

Why does it necessarily need to? Generations don't need to massively innovate in hardware, because I play games for games.

Stop making this about what is or is not needed, that's irrelevant to the point of this thread, it's very simple what's being asked here.

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@nyadc said:
@MirkoS77 said:

Why does it necessarily need to? Generations don't need to massively innovate in hardware, because I play games for games.

Stop making this about what is or is not needed, that's irrelevant to the point of this thread, it's very simple what's being asked here.

It's an implication extending from the question, so no, it's very relevant. Otherwise why bring it up? This is a rhetorical question and you know it.

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#24  Edited By Ten_Pints
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@chikenfriedrice said:

The TV/media integration with the Xbox One

PS3 did that.

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@MirkoS77 said:
@nyadc said:
@MirkoS77 said:

Why does it necessarily need to? Generations don't need to massively innovate in hardware, because I play games for games.

Stop making this about what is or is not needed, that's irrelevant to the point of this thread, it's very simple what's being asked here.

It's an implication extending from the question, so no, it's very relevant. Otherwise why bring it up? This is a rhetorical question and you know it.

No it's a completely unnecessary question because the intent is not whether or not it's needed, the question is has it....

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Dynamic 720p

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Virtual Reality.

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@nyadc said:
@bobrossperm said:

I'd put shareplay on there. Pre-downloading is another one. Being able to play a game as it's downloading or installing is a huge plus. But also a step backwards when you factor in the fact you have to install every game now.

I'd say shareplay is one, I mean you could technically take control of a person's PC through certain programs but games were not the intent of that and couldn't actually be played as far as I'm aware.

You can load Steam on any PC and log in with any account, plus there's friends and family which has been around longer than this gen.

http://store.steampowered.com/promotion/familysharing

As for playing while still down loading a game, Blizzard were pretty much at the front of that queue.

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@ReadingRainbow4 said:

Dynamic 720p

That's actually a good one even if it's supposed to be a slight, dynamic resolution to maintain game performance.

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@nyadc said:
@ReadingRainbow4 said:

Dynamic 720p

That's actually a good one even if it's supposed to be a slight, dynamic resolution to maintain game performance.

Rage did it in 2011.

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@ten_pints said:
@chikenfriedrice said:

The TV/media integration with the Xbox One

PS3 did that.

How so?

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#32  Edited By NyaDC
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@Chozofication said:
@nyadc said:
@ReadingRainbow4 said:

Dynamic 720p

That's actually a good one even if it's supposed to be a slight, dynamic resolution to maintain game performance.

Rage did it in 2011.

Did it? I had it on PC, so that's probably why I wouldn't know that if it in fact did.

John Carmack always at the forefront of innovation.

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#33  Edited By deactivated-58ce94803a170
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Wii U gave us dual screen two player. Miiverse communities for the games so you can play game and share messages while playing. Off screen play, can watch cable on TV and play game on Wii U Gamepad. Camera on your controller to take photos and record sound and video.

3DS gave us 3D without goggles.

Both gave us awesome Gyro controls and online vs the whole World.

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@nyadc: It did, on 360 it worked very well but it destroyed image quality on PS3.

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Wii U gamepad brought off TV play. You can take your console anywhere, plug in and you're good to go.

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@chikenfriedrice said:
@ten_pints said:
@chikenfriedrice said:

The TV/media integration with the Xbox One

PS3 did that.

How so?

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  • Gaming forums in the console itself (PS4 communities)
  • Internal capture card (my YouTube channel grew like madness thanks to the PS4 internal recording feature)
  • Streaming from while playing from the console itself
  • Destiny... this generation brought easily the best shooter in the entire gen

Great generation with amazing features and games

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#38  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@nyadc said:
@davillain- said:

@nyadc: Sorry about that, I mean pre-loading games when you buy them digital.

That's not new, that's been around for years and years beforehand.

It's new to some gamers for this gen, that's why I said pre-loading games. I went all digital this gen.

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Beyond good games exclusive to this gen, fucking nothing.

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#40  Edited By Skelly34
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In terms of creativity, nothing whatsoever.

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@ten_pints: I have a PS3 and never seen that thing lol

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Mario 3D World and Nintendo Land are the two most "next gen" games. Multiplier platforming has never been done as well. The Metroid game in Nintendo Land is also pretty new to an extent--shame this wasn't more popular as the idea alone is pretty great.

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#43  Edited By raugutcon
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It has brought one thing that I hate: having to install the game from the disc into the HDD in order to play it instead of having the game run from the disc. I have nothing against installing a couple of gigs but the entire game just drives me bonkers.

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#44  Edited By -RocBoys9489-
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This gen has sucked, no doubt about it. Huge lack of innovation, shipping too many games with "season passes." Way too many sequels. The only game I've REALLY enjoyed and thought tried to at least innovate a bit and hook me has been Halo 5 multiplayer. But aside from that, it's been quite the disappointment :/.

edit: Maybe I should checkout MGSV, but I've never played a MGS game!

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#45  Edited By MirkoS77
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@nyadc: which you don't already know? You seem to be able to counter whatever else is put forth, so spare me your BS.

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#46  Edited By commander
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@nyadc said:

After thinking about it I can't really come up with anything when really trying to break things down, can you guys lol?

I think fallout 4 was a very nice improvement over previous bethesda games. The gunplay is unseen before in a game like this.

The quality of monsters in bloodborne and the witcher 3 has never been seen before, not in artwork and not in technical prowess.

Ea sports perfect fifa with fifa 16.

Elite dangerous is the best multiplayer space shooting sim.

Halo 5 brings the sci fi multiplayer shooter to a new level in terms of graphics.

Assassins creed unity brought the ac series to a new level as well. The city of paris is the most detailed city in terms of npc's.

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As far as my PS4 goes....different games that are fun.

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#49  Edited By Blizzard2188
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Console features really, like rest mode and resume play. Downloading while the console is asleep.

Gamingwise bigger worlds, better graphics. The only reason previous gens seemed like such a huge leap was because the hardware was so limiting that gameplay was effected. We are now at that point where it's not. Shooters are not going to change, they have pretty much perfected themselves from a control standpoint. Gameplay isn't all that with hardware in terms of control, look at the Original Devil May Cry and Devil May Cry 3, gameplay went from clunky to smooth on the same hardware. Programmers find better way to code, better ways to handle controls. This isn't locked to newer hardware.

I don't know what most of you are expecting when you shout Innovation. Innovation is pretty much gimmicks like Motion Controls, Tablet Controllers. Voice Control, VR could be a game changer or a complete gimmick, but we have to wait and see.

Mainly this gen will see game evolution as better graphics, ability to make bigger worlds. We are hitting walls in terms of hardware actually changing gameplay. Hardware is powerful enough to handle pretty much anything now. Only graphics/worldsize will benefit.

PS3/360's innovation was actually impressive looking games that could benefit from being realistic, better physics and the improved hardware made more complex worlds. But gameplay was just micro improvements from the PS2 era.

Really it's going to be down to developers ideas now, how they tackle certain games. Mass Effect was probably the most impressive series last gen with all the choices, being able to import them into the next game (don't be an idiot and say ME3 didn't mean anything, the whole game was an ending where you seen your actions have effects on worlds like Chuchanka or however it's spelled) The final ending is more limiting, but realize to make 30 different endings would have taken 5+ years in itself to animate and program). But really that could have been achieved by the original Xbox or even PS2/GC. It's just that game programmers got creative.

Hardware has nothing to do with these things. Games are still fun, different franchises, different stories. Just realize pretty much from here on out games with a standard controller and KB+M aren't going to change too much from a gameplay perspective.

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Amiibos.