What gaming franchise that are bad since day one?

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#1  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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Hello friends,

Many of franchise we criticize has strong start. they become bad after they dumbed down, consolized or developer switch or most recent scenerio they went full open world. even COD started of good then become bad. even wolfenstein at some point was masterpiece that was RTCW.

here we talk about series that are bad since day 1 shall we?

heres what i think are

Assasssins creed: AC1 was released in 2007 as mediaval Hitman game but it was boring, repetetive. and after AC2 success which was also overrated. it become rehash after rehash of same boring formula over and over again. and now it become some bad RPG. never been good franchise.

Bioshock: It started as system shock 2 spritual successor but in the end it was dumbed down system shock 2 with even same predictable twist. its standard FPS with horrible gunplay and with each installment it turn into worse. as a result infinite turn out to be one of the worst AAA FPS game.

Mass Effect: Many of people consider it bad since Andromeda released but in general it was bad franchise since day one. it was cover based third person shooter that is disguised as RPG and also become worse with each franchsie.

Dead Space: It was suppose to be System shock 3 but EA decide to do a new ip. ok if you are doing new ip. it should have been in First person instead of being third person. but RE4 influnced it to be third person as a result another dumbed down system shock clone.

GTA: didnot it started as top down games? while they were best but still not very good and then franchise become most overrated franchise in gaming history bar none.

Tomb Raider: Early tomb raider games may not age well but they were not even good when they were released. those times Max payne also released and did everything better in a terms of third person as early tomb raider games had terrible controls and camera angle. newer tomb raider games are uncharted esqe movie games. terrible series since day one or i would say imo its worst gaming franchise ever.

Gears of war: A game that ruined Third person genre by introducing wall cover mechanics. it was another series that was never good at first place and now has 5 main installment and all over just cover peak shoot rinse and repeat.

Far Cry: Even though far cry 2 was great and 3 was ok but series has been bad since it started. Far cry 1 was terrible game with terrible AI and world first tech demo and ruined after second half. Far cry 3 introduce so many BS to open world and every game till FC5 is copy and paste of FC3 in different setting.

theres probably more but these came to my mind.

what franchises you think has been bad since day one? lets discuss

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Mario.

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@ghosts4ever said:

Tomb Raider: Early tomb raider games may not age well but they were not even good when they were released. those times Max payne also released and did everything better in a terms of third person as early tomb raider games had terrible controls and camera angle. newer tomb raider games are uncharted esqe movie games. terrible series since day one or i would say imo its worst gaming franchise ever.

Your dates are way off. Tomb Raider released in 1996, whereas Max Payne released a whole generation later in 2001. And the comparison doesn't even make sense. Max Payne is a third-person shooter, whereas Tomb Raider is a puzzle-platformer. Tomb Raider was the best 3D puzzle-platformer up until Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time (2003).

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#4 R4gn4r0k  Online
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Anthem

Marvel Avengers

Every game that is designed as a live service first, fun game last.

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@R4gn4r0k: Anthem. Massive damage to BioWare.

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#6 HankMulder
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I just can't agree that first Bioshock or first Dead Space were bad games. It's all subjective, I understand but I enjoyed the hell out of those two.

I do agree on AC tho. It's repetitive mess with formula they've copy/pasted into Far Cry as well.

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#7  Edited By Magnum3000
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Nothing but a troll thread from a troll. Dunno why mods don't lock these kinds of repeated million times threads made from same poster asap.

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I feel like you've made this same exact thread only worded slightly different at least a hundred times.

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#9 R4gn4r0k  Online
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I mean you gotta applaud Ghosts for taking all this time to word the same thread he made a million times already slightly differently.

Or maybe we shouldn't applaud that at all, as he is wasting everyone else's time in the progress.

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Doom, Metro, Stalker, basically casual4ever games.

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#11 Macutchi
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it's a shame that someone so passionate about gaming can never explain the reasons for any of his opinions. the word "because" is just not in ghost's vocabulary.

it has horrible gunplay because <reasons>

it should have been first person not third person because <reasons>

it was dumbed down system shock 2 because <reasons>

it ruined <genre> because <reasons>

it's nearly impossible to discuss anything with such puddle deep assessment of games

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@ghosts4ever: How many times can you recycle the same thread? Seriously I've lost count?

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Final Fantasy. Started out as a boring turn based formula, changed, and is still a dull series.

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#15  Edited By VFighter
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@warmblur: Lol, perfect gif.

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Doom, stalker, metro.

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Splatoon.

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#18  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Agree with Assassins Creed, it's the Soylent Green of gaming.

Disagree strenuously with Tomb Raider, 1-3 are great, 2 god tier, 3 almost god tier. Their are aspects that are straight up bad, namely AI but the game series taken as a whole is very lovely stuff.

Downhill for their barring Anniversary and the Lara Croft series (Go/TEMPLE OF OSIRIS/Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light), those are fun titles.

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Op is like an obnoxious hipster.

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#20 iambatman7986
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Watch Dogs

Little Big Planet (the floaty mechanics are awful)

Destiny

Every Telltale game

Gears of War

Just my opinion though. I know a lot of people love these franchises.

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@ghosts4ever: you do realize that every first game from every franchise you mentioned was a masterpiece. You really are clueless aren't you

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#22 ConanTheStoner
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Assassins Creed was the first to come to mind. The stealth, the platforming, the combat, each just completely underwhelming. Was a surprise at the time considering the kinds of games Ubi had been putting out. Seemed like this cool mashup of SC and PoP elements, what could go wrong? Damn.

I've only dabbled in a couple of them since, and that was years ago. Probably had its ups and downs, but that first game was pretty bad.

@hankmulder said:

I just can't agree that first Bioshock or first Dead Space were bad games. It's all subjective, I understand but I enjoyed the hell out of those two.

Eh, it's Ghosts.

Can't separate "I don't like thing" from "thing is bad" or "I like thing" from "thing is masterpiece".

A very simple man.

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#23 Ghosts4ever
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@ConanTheStoner said:

Eh, it's Ghosts.

Can't separate "I don't like thing" from "thing is bad"

Thats pretty much warmblur.

I (ie me) respect people liking games i found bad.

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#24 DaVillain-  Moderator
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This is a sad thread -_-

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@davillain- said:

This is a sad thread -_-

Just like every @ghosts4ever thread... If you don't expect to cringe when clicking at any of his threads/posts, then you're doing it wrong.

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#26 Nonstop-Madness
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It would have to be a franchise that's died off; "bad" franchises don't stick around for long.

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#27  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@ghosts4ever said:
@ConanTheStoner said:

Eh, it's Ghosts.

Can't separate "I don't like thing" from "thing is bad"

Thats pretty much warmblur.

I (ie me) respect people liking games i found bad.

An example to us all, on this dismally cynical forum.

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#28 Ghosts4ever
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@uninspiredcup said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@ConanTheStoner said:

Eh, it's Ghosts.

Can't separate "I don't like thing" from "thing is bad"

Thats pretty much warmblur.

I (ie me) respect people liking games i found bad.

An example to us all, on this dismally cynical forum.

I have never insult people for not liking games i like. instead i counter argument and debate like civilized person.

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#29 DaVillain-  Moderator
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@WESTBLADE85 said:
@davillain- said:

This is a sad thread -_-

Just like every @ghosts4ever thread... If you don't expect to cringe when clicking at any of his threads/posts, then you're doing it wrong.

Honestly, I give him to much credit for a change. Oh well🤷‍♂️

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#30  Edited By Magnum3000
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@davillain- said:

This is a sad thread -_-

Can't you mods lock this kinds of threads ? Its spamming a busy board on regular basis and people are getting annoyed as you can see from the posts, complaints. Not saying to mod anyone, but lock troll threads to discourage anyone from making same troll threads on daily basis?

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#31 uninspiredcup
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@magnum3000: The entire point of SW was to dump all the undesirables away from normies.

In the end, it became the de facto section even before this site died.

Huge miscalculation by that fat giant bomb guy who looks like he hasn't washed in months.

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#32  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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@magnum3000 said:
@davillain- said:

This is a sad thread -_-

Can't you mods lock this kinds of threads ? Its spamming a busy board on regular basis and people are getting annoyed as you can see from the posts, complaints. Not saying to mod anyone, but lock troll threads to discourage anyone from making same troll threads on daily basis?

please find me exact same thread i made earlier.

the concept came to my mind what if any series bad since start instead of become bad after certain game.

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#33 Magnum3000
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@uninspiredcup said:

@magnum3000: The entire point of SW was to dump all the undesirables away from normies.

In the end, it became the de facto section even before this site died.

Huge miscalculation by that fat giant bomb guy who looks like he hasn't washed in months.

Got nothing against Ghosts. But coming to SW i regularly find same kind of bash threads on daily basis , no change (nothing new ), no exchange of information, Don't even feel fun having any conversation/debate with ghosts as its like talking to a brick wall lol. Same shit morning evening daily lol.

Even Protoss threads are fun to read sometimes HaHa

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Resistance, Crackdown, Dragon Age, games that not only sucked when they debuted but sucked with each and every iteration. Perfect displays of our collective conformity and ability to perpetuate a ruse through multiple iterations, as if calling shit out later might bring light the string of lies that brings us to our present day situation.

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#35  Edited By warmblur
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@ghosts4ever said:
@ConanTheStoner said:

Eh, it's Ghosts.

Can't separate "I don't like thing" from "thing is bad"

Thats pretty much warmblur.

I (ie me) respect people liking games i found bad.

You don't even play games you cry here about me because I don't agree with your opinions.

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#36 Ghosts4ever
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@warmblur said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@ConanTheStoner said:

Eh, it's Ghosts.

Can't separate "I don't like thing" from "thing is bad"

Thats pretty much warmblur.

I (ie me) respect people liking games i found bad.

You don't even play games you cry here about me because I don't agree with your opinions.

lot of times cup dont agree with my opinion (see above about TR) and i still call him gaming expert.

my friend, i respect you.

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Calling the early TR games bad equals you not knowing what you're talking about.

But I do agree on Assassin's Creed.

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@warmblur said:
@ghosts4ever said:

Thats pretty much warmblur.

I (ie me) respect people liking games i found bad.

You don't even play games you cry here about me because I don't agree with your opinions.

Child pls, you definitely bitch about him too lol

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@R4gn4r0k said:

I mean you gotta applaud Ghosts for taking all this time to word the same thread he made a million times already slightly differently.

Or maybe we shouldn't applaud that at all, as he is wasting everyone else's time in the progress.

I think Ghost is the real victim, TBH. He's clearly suffering.

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Imagine Babiez, Petz, Skunny the Squirrel, Quake, Pokemon, any MMO, any game with loot boxes

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Id love to see remasters of the original two games with the MP3 engine. Id play all three back to front.

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#42 Pedro
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I am surprised he is allowed to make the same thread over and over and over and over and over again. How simple can one be?

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#43 Ghosts4ever
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@pelvist said:

Id love to see remasters of the original two games with the MP3 engine. Id play all three back to front.

wrong thread my friend.

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#44 warmblur
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@jg4xchamp said:
@warmblur said:
@ghosts4ever said:

Thats pretty much warmblur.

I (ie me) respect people liking games i found bad.

You don't even play games you cry here about me because I don't agree with your opinions.

Child pls, you definitely bitch about him too lol

Except the difference is I don't go in the lounge thread and talk behind his back. I also tried to avoid stupid drama but Ghost can't help himself the only game he plays is being a troll on these forums trying to stir shit up it never ends.

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@ghosts4ever: Dragon Age. Then again, if the devs hadn't hailed it as a "spiritual successor to Baldur's gate", i probably would have let it slide. About the only thing it has in common with BG is the ability to have an overhead isometric view.

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#46  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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@warmblur said:
@jg4xchamp said:
@warmblur said:
@ghosts4ever said:

Thats pretty much warmblur.

I (ie me) respect people liking games i found bad.

You don't even play games you cry here about me because I don't agree with your opinions.

Child pls, you definitely bitch about him too lol

Except the difference is I don't go in the lounge thread and talk behind his back. I also tried to avoid stupid drama but Ghost can't help himself the only game he plays is being a troll on these forums trying to stir shit up it never ends.

This is what crying and bitching my friend. Champ is right here, I have seen many people (including champ) talk behind my back on lounge. i dont go out and cry " Why are you talking behind me!!"

Me and champ never get along, we have different games, we debate, compare and talk shit about each others game. in the end neither me nor champ cry about each other.

you my friend get butthurt very easily. and also champ have great debating skills except just same generic reply.

beside you can contribute to this thread instead of complain about me.

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#47 clone01
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@ghosts4ever said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@ConanTheStoner said:

Eh, it's Ghosts.

Can't separate "I don't like thing" from "thing is bad"

Thats pretty much warmblur.

I (ie me) respect people liking games i found bad.

An example to us all, on this dismally cynical forum.

I have never insult people for not liking games i like. instead i counter argument and debate like civilized person.

Is that before or after you ban-dodged?

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#48  Edited By Macutchi
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@ghosts4ever said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@ConanTheStoner said:

Eh, it's Ghosts.

Can't separate "I don't like thing" from "thing is bad"

Thats pretty much warmblur.

I (ie me) respect people liking games i found bad.

An example to us all, on this dismally cynical forum.

instead i counter argument and debate like civilized person.

haha :D

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Dynasty warriors

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#50 Jag85
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@R4gn4r0k said:

I mean you gotta applaud Ghosts for taking all this time to word the same thread he made a million times already slightly differently.

Or maybe we shouldn't applaud that at all, as he is wasting everyone else's time in the progress.

To be fair, Ghost provides entertaining content.