What are your thoughts on Nintendo officially leaving the Home Console market?

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#1 Edited by Brah4ever (1704 posts) -

The Switch marks the end of Nintendo in the home console market.

The Switch is a 3DS successor with the ability to connect to the big screen. If you say otherwise then I guess the Vita was a home console since you could also connect it to a TV.

I think Nintendo leaving the market is unfortunate but we all saw it coming after the colossal flop known as the Wii U.

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#2 Edited by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

They havnt left, they just revolutionized it. A portable home console is genius. Vita wish it could do what Switch does. Vita was a gimmick, you had to buy a PlayStation TV to do it. Talk about milking your customer. Mooo beach, get out the way.

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#3 Posted by Brah4ever (1704 posts) -

@iandizion713 said:

They havnt left, they just revolutionized it.

Yeah, because hooking up a mobile device to your TV has never been done before.

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#4 Edited by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@brah4ever: Name us who did it. Nintendo is first dedicated gaming device to do so. Mirroring is not the same thing. And mirroring only works on certain stuff.

That would be like saying Wii U did it since Wii U had a button to switch from TV to game console on a bunch of games.

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#5 Posted by R4gn4r0k (31605 posts) -

How do I connect mine Vita to mine TV ?

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#6 Posted by FireEmblem_Man (19846 posts) -

I think the TC needs a break from SW

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#7 Edited by deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd (12449 posts) -

@iandizion713 said:

@brah4ever: Name us who did it. Nintendo is first dedicated gaming device to do so. Mirroring is not the same thing. And mirroring only works on certain stuff.

shhh hes on his hate bandwagon... common sense need not apply.

God forbid hardware implementation ever becomes different from the playstation/xbore norm...

All the more proof all system warriors care about is graphics.

Get a PC then. ffs.

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#8 Posted by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@MBirdy88: Thats what i dont understand, if they dislike it so much then why make 100+ posts whining about it. And exactly, if you want power, PC will let you build till your wallet goes dry.

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#9 Posted by Pedro (35640 posts) -

People are really trying to argue that the Switch is not first and foremost a portable device. LMAO.

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#10 Edited by Brah4ever (1704 posts) -

@Pedro said:

People are really trying to argue that the Switch is not first and foremost a portable device. LMAO.

They are in denial.

The Switch is a portable device with docking capabilities, nothing more (heck, it uses 3DS looking cartridges).

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#11 Edited by Pedro (35640 posts) -

@brah4ever: They like playing the "let's pretend" game apparently.

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#12 Posted by uninspiredcup (35036 posts) -

Nintendo just saved gaming bro.

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#13 Edited by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@Pedro said:

People are really trying to argue that the Switch is not first and foremost a portable device. LMAO.

Its a home console first, portable second. It has to be in home console mode to charge.

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd (12449 posts) -

@brah4ever said:
@Pedro said:

People are really trying to argue that the Switch is not first and foremost a portable device. LMAO.

They are in denial.

The Switch is a portable device with docking capabilities, nothing more (heck, it uses 3DS looking cartridges).

.... damn... I mean, I know you for some reason hate it already... maybe because it puts the stationary console market (much like Tablet/Phones did to Desktops) at risk of becoming more niche (or consoles world.. pointless) but really... using cartridges as some sort of negative? even though they can match blu rays pretty easily now?

Grasping.

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#15 Edited by Speak_Low (2248 posts) -

They have a chance at modest success with the Switch. This is their reset after the Wii U.

That said, they are also the most endangered of the three. I don't care what hardcore fans say. Nintendo is the closest one to partying with third-party themselves. They need to sell lots of Switches (at least 30-40 million worldwide). However, that still puts them into.....N64 and 1992 SNES sales territory, and Xbox One's lifetime sales, which we laugh at. You happy with that? Is Nintendo happy with that? If they are selling Switch at a profit, that might just be enough to keep them happy and "clear the net." Or maybe not. It could be a message to the Big N that their core base and mind share is shrinking - irreversibly - and it's time to get out of the hardware game.

If the Switch fails to sell a lot of multiplats, and they ONCE AGAIN rely on their 1st/2nd party exclusives to keep them afloat, then it becomes unmistakably clear that the majority of PC, PS4, Xbox and iPhone/Android people out there don't really care that much about Nintendo home consoles (at least not the ones that Nintendo keep making). They desire their games more than their hardware.

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#16 Edited by MonsieurX (39192 posts) -

...lol

the salt is real. how many more Switch threads are you going to make?

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#17 Edited by Brah4ever (1704 posts) -

@MBirdy88 said:
@brah4ever said:
@Pedro said:

People are really trying to argue that the Switch is not first and foremost a portable device. LMAO.

They are in denial.

The Switch is a portable device with docking capabilities, nothing more (heck, it uses 3DS looking cartridges).

.... damn... I mean, I know you for some reason hate it already... maybe because it puts the stationary console market (much like Tablet/Phones did to Desktops) at risk of becoming more niche (or consoles world.. pointless) but really... using cartridges as some sort of negative? even though they can match blu rays pretty easily now?

Grasping.

Wait so a tablet puts the stationary home console market at risk? Your precious 3DS couldn't even reach half of the original DS sales thanks to tablets/smartphones infiltrating the market.

First of all its Nintendo and they haven't carried the kind of games the casuals love in over a decade, consumer trust is low.

Always hear "I'd love to play Smash or Mario Kart or whatever, but I don't want to buy a Nintendo console to play them".

Wii U only sold 13 million in a time where gaming is much more accepted and mainstream, think about that.

A tablet which probably won't be stronger than the Vanilla PS4/Xbox One will put stationary platforms in danger....

mmmmkay

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#18 Posted by bowserjr123 (2478 posts) -

Wow, I can't believe some of you still think that the console is not a hybrid, that should be blatantly obvious by now.

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#19 Posted by 22Toothpicks (12546 posts) -

You seem hell bent on putting down the Switch which is weird but this is SW so whatever.

I think this all comes down to the library of games. If the Switch gets PS4/X1 ports then can we really say it's just a handheld?

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#20 Edited by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@speak_low: Nintendo not happy unless this thing sells more than 200 million, trust me, i talked with Nintendo on the tele. I said mam, are you sure, she said yeah, we need to make a major comeback and destroy Sony and Microsoft fanboys. Then she said, can i help you with anything else. I said nah, thatll be all.

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#21 Edited by Brah4ever (1704 posts) -

@22Toothpicks said:

You seem hell bent on putting down the Switch which is weird but this is SW so whatever.

I think this all comes down to the library of games. If the Switch gets PS4/X1 ports then can we really say it's just a handheld?

Yeah, that's the beauty of Nvidia's Tegra platform, PC type power on the go.

Doesn't mean it's not a handheld, its just a high powered one.

Think Vita, nobody called it a console even though it was capable of outputting console like graphics.

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#22 Edited by Brah4ever (1704 posts) -

@iandizion713 said:

@speak_low: Nintendo not happy unless this thing sells more than 200 million, trust me, i talked with Nintendo on the tele. I said mam, are you sure, she said yeah, we need to make a major comeback and destroy Sony and Microsoft fanboys. Then she said, can i help you with anything else. I said nah, thatll be all.

Nintendo only has 1 platform now, if this doesn't sell over 50 million it'll be a failure.

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#23 Posted by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@brah4ever: If it sells under 150 million its a failure.

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#24 Posted by rasengan2552 (4988 posts) -

Once again Nintendo says F U to 3rd Party and once again they will fail. Nobody wants to develop games for this bull****

Gamecube was their last decent console.

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#25 Posted by deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd (12449 posts) -

@brah4ever said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@brah4ever said:
@Pedro said:

People are really trying to argue that the Switch is not first and foremost a portable device. LMAO.

They are in denial.

The Switch is a portable device with docking capabilities, nothing more (heck, it uses 3DS looking cartridges).

.... damn... I mean, I know you for some reason hate it already... maybe because it puts the stationary console market (much like Tablet/Phones did to Desktops) at risk of becoming more niche (or consoles world.. pointless) but really... using cartridges as some sort of negative? even though they can match blu rays pretty easily now?

Grasping.

Wait so a tablet puts the stationary home console market at risk? Your precious 3DS couldn't even reach half of the original DS sales thanks to tablets/smartphones infiltrating the market.

First of all its Nintendo and they haven't carried the kind of games the casuals love in over a decade, consumer trust is low.

Always hear "I'd love to play Smash or Mario Kart or whatever, but I don't want to buy a Nintendo console to play them".

Wii U only sold 13 million in a time where gaming is much more accepted and mainstream, think about that.

A tablet which probably won't be stronger than the Vanilla PS4/Xbox One will put stationary platforms in danger....

mmmmkay

The dots you put together as justification are just asinine.

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#26 Posted by Pedro (35640 posts) -

@iandizion713 said:

Its a home console first, portable second. It has to be in home console mode to charge.

Thats is factually not true. Its entirely made up of mobile parts in addition to that the system and all its parts are encased in a a tablet. A tablet is a mobile device.

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#27 Posted by MonsieurX (39192 posts) -

@brah4ever said:
@22Toothpicks said:

You seem hell bent on putting down the Switch which is weird but this is SW so whatever.

I think this all comes down to the library of games. If the Switch gets PS4/X1 ports then can we really say it's just a handheld?

Yeah, that's the beauty of Nvidia's Tegra platform, PC type power on the go.

Doesn't mean it's not a handheld, its just a high powered one.

Think Vita, nobody called it a console even though it was capable of outputting console like graphics.

"console like graphics"...you mean like a PS2?

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#28 Posted by deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd (12449 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:
@brah4ever said:
@22Toothpicks said:

You seem hell bent on putting down the Switch which is weird but this is SW so whatever.

I think this all comes down to the library of games. If the Switch gets PS4/X1 ports then can we really say it's just a handheld?

Yeah, that's the beauty of Nvidia's Tegra platform, PC type power on the go.

Doesn't mean it's not a handheld, its just a high powered one.

Think Vita, nobody called it a console even though it was capable of outputting console like graphics.

"console like graphics"...you mean like a PS2?

The Tegra X1 could run Tomb Raider on full settings at 30FPS ... that is more than the PS3 could do.

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#29 Edited by Brah4ever (1704 posts) -

@rasengan2552 said:

Once again Nintendo says F U to 3rd Party and once again they will fail. Nobody wants to develop games for this bull****

Gamecube was their last decent console.

Yup, why would devs want to bother making a Switch version.

They already have enough on their plate with Scorpio/Pro variants of games.

3rd party games historically don't sell well on Nintendo platforms, so where is the incentive to do extra work?

If you guys can't see Wii U 2.0 coming, you guys are insane.

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#30 Edited by cainetao11 (36829 posts) -

@iandizion713 said:

They havnt left, they just revolutionized it. A portable home console is genius. Vita wish it could do what Switch does. Vita was a gimmick, you had to buy a PlayStation TV to do it. Talk about milking your customer. Mooo beach, get out the way.

Gotta agree here. Its Nintendo. They are going to attempt different things because they don't want to be a third option of pretty much the same thing and I cant say I blame them. I'm not sold on this Switch, but I always respect the ballsy-ness of taking chances.

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#31 Posted by Brah4ever (1704 posts) -

@MBirdy88 said:
@brah4ever said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@brah4ever said:
@Pedro said:

People are really trying to argue that the Switch is not first and foremost a portable device. LMAO.

They are in denial.

The Switch is a portable device with docking capabilities, nothing more (heck, it uses 3DS looking cartridges).

.... damn... I mean, I know you for some reason hate it already... maybe because it puts the stationary console market (much like Tablet/Phones did to Desktops) at risk of becoming more niche (or consoles world.. pointless) but really... using cartridges as some sort of negative? even though they can match blu rays pretty easily now?

Grasping.

Wait so a tablet puts the stationary home console market at risk? Your precious 3DS couldn't even reach half of the original DS sales thanks to tablets/smartphones infiltrating the market.

First of all its Nintendo and they haven't carried the kind of games the casuals love in over a decade, consumer trust is low.

Always hear "I'd love to play Smash or Mario Kart or whatever, but I don't want to buy a Nintendo console to play them".

Wii U only sold 13 million in a time where gaming is much more accepted and mainstream, think about that.

A tablet which probably won't be stronger than the Vanilla PS4/Xbox One will put stationary platforms in danger....

mmmmkay

The dots you put together as justification are just asinine.

Wii U only sold 13 million during a time where gaming is more accepted and mainstream.

Think about this before you throw out words like asinine.

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#32 Posted by 22Toothpicks (12546 posts) -

@brah4ever said:
@22Toothpicks said:

You seem hell bent on putting down the Switch which is weird but this is SW so whatever.

I think this all comes down to the library of games. If the Switch gets PS4/X1 ports then can we really say it's just a handheld?

Yeah, that's the beauty of Nvidia's Tegra platform, PC type power on the go.

Doesn't mean it's not a handheld, its just a high powered one.

Think Vita, nobody called it a console even though it was capable of outputting console like graphics.

No one called the Vita a home console because it was never marketed as one. The Vita also doesn't have it's own specific controller made for when it is plugged into a TV. We don't know exactly how Nintendo is going to sell the Switch but the hybrid nature of the device is surely going to be a focus. And it is a hybrid. Yes, it's a portable first but it's still a hybrid. This point will be further enforced if we find out the dock has the ability to upscale or if the Switch runs at higher clocks while docked.

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#33 Edited by Kruiz_Bathory (4765 posts) -

I see your effort on this bruh and I give you props for trying but sheep here will just fight it off. It will have some great games I'm sure just like Wii U and 3ds and the fact that you won't have to buy a games twice(I know some who've bought Smash bros on both) but 3rd party support will drop fast. I have no doubt in that.

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#34 Posted by BIack_Goku (724 posts) -

It has like a 3 hour battery life. Too short for it to be primarily a handheld imo.

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#35 Edited by Brah4ever (1704 posts) -

@22Toothpicks said:
@brah4ever said:
@22Toothpicks said:

You seem hell bent on putting down the Switch which is weird but this is SW so whatever.

I think this all comes down to the library of games. If the Switch gets PS4/X1 ports then can we really say it's just a handheld?

Yeah, that's the beauty of Nvidia's Tegra platform, PC type power on the go.

Doesn't mean it's not a handheld, its just a high powered one.

Think Vita, nobody called it a console even though it was capable of outputting console like graphics.

No one called the Vita a home console because it was never marketed as one. The Vita also doesn't have it's own specific controller made for when it is plugged into a TV. We don't know exactly how Nintendo is going to sell the Switch but the hybrid nature of the device is surely going to be a focus. And it is a hybrid. Yes, it's a portable first but it's still a hybrid. This point will be further enforced if we find out the dock has the ability to upscale or if the Switch runs at higher clocks while docked.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-nintendo-switch-dock-is-not-the-main-console/1100-6444680/

"The dock is not the main console unit of Nintendo Switch, a Nintendo representative told IGN. The main unit of Nintendo Switch is the unit that has the LCD screen, which the two Joy-Con controllers can be attached to and detached from. The Nintendo Switch Dock has been created so that it is extremely easy to seamlessly switch from playing games on a TV to transition into a portable mode."

"The principal function of the dock, then, is to output to the TV and charge the system."

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#36 Posted by Quicksilver128 (7075 posts) -

@MonsieurX: Vita graphics were ahead of PS2 by a fair margin.

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#37 Edited by deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd (12449 posts) -

@brah4ever said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@brah4ever said:
@MBirdy88 said:

.... damn... I mean, I know you for some reason hate it already... maybe because it puts the stationary console market (much like Tablet/Phones did to Desktops) at risk of becoming more niche (or consoles world.. pointless) but really... using cartridges as some sort of negative? even though they can match blu rays pretty easily now?

Grasping.

Wait so a tablet puts the stationary home console market at risk? Your precious 3DS couldn't even reach half of the original DS sales thanks to tablets/smartphones infiltrating the market.

First of all its Nintendo and they haven't carried the kind of games the casuals love in over a decade, consumer trust is low.

Always hear "I'd love to play Smash or Mario Kart or whatever, but I don't want to buy a Nintendo console to play them".

Wii U only sold 13 million in a time where gaming is much more accepted and mainstream, think about that.

A tablet which probably won't be stronger than the Vanilla PS4/Xbox One will put stationary platforms in danger....

mmmmkay

The dots you put together as justification are just asinine.

Wii U only sold 13 million during a time where gaming is more accepted and mainstream.

Think about this before you throw out words like asinine.

Stop spouting this "more accepted" nonsense.... the PS2 outsold the PS3 and will likely outsell the PS4... this timeframe nonsense is indeed asinine.

Everything is about implementation, marketing and value to the consumor. The Wii U had none of that. The Switch now does what MS have sensibly been trying to move the general PC market to.

The 3DS ofcourse had similar issues yet still sold what 70 million? and is still selling.

As I said, the dots you connect do not factor the complete change in direction, in a very sensible way.

What would you have wanted nintendo to do? to make a Xbox One Pro equivalent console? because we got enough of those boring copy cats as it is.

But hey, time will tell, and so Will a full console version of Pokemon available on the go and on the big screen will be a big test of what this offers.

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#38 Edited by lamprey263 (36209 posts) -

It's a console-handheld hybrid, it's still a console. And I think the move is genius. The system will now get the third party Japanese support that'd normally go to handhelds (even more so with Sony exiting handheld market) and people can play it either way, either on their TV, or on the go. Any console gamers disappointed with the selection of things like JRPGs on the PS4, they'll find the Switch to be the go-to console for those kinds of games.

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#39 Posted by 22Toothpicks (12546 posts) -

@brah4ever said:
@22Toothpicks said:
@brah4ever said:
@22Toothpicks said:

You seem hell bent on putting down the Switch which is weird but this is SW so whatever.

I think this all comes down to the library of games. If the Switch gets PS4/X1 ports then can we really say it's just a handheld?

Yeah, that's the beauty of Nvidia's Tegra platform, PC type power on the go.

Doesn't mean it's not a handheld, its just a high powered one.

Think Vita, nobody called it a console even though it was capable of outputting console like graphics.

No one called the Vita a home console because it was never marketed as one. The Vita also doesn't have it's own specific controller made for when it is plugged into a TV. We don't know exactly how Nintendo is going to sell the Switch but the hybrid nature of the device is surely going to be a focus. And it is a hybrid. Yes, it's a portable first but it's still a hybrid. This point will be further enforced if we find out the dock has the ability to upscale or if the Switch runs at higher clocks while docked.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-nintendo-switch-dock-is-not-the-main-console/1100-6444680/

"The dock is not the main console unit of Nintendo Switch," a Nintendo representative told IGN. "The main unit of Nintendo Switch is the unit that has the LCD screen, which the two Joy-Con controllers can be attached to and detached from. The Nintendo Switch Dock has been created so that it is extremely easy to seamlessly switch from playing games on a TV to transition into a portable mode."

"The principal function of the dock, then, is to output to the TV and charge and power the system."

The principal function. Meaning it's primary function is to output to the TV and charge the system. This does not eliminate the possibility that the handheld runs at higher clocks while docked. To make myself clear I am not claiming the dock has extra horsepower. I am saying that I think the Switch runs down clocked and is passively cooled while separate from the dock and runs at normal clocks and actively cooled while docked.

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#40 Posted by dynamitecop (6395 posts) -

@MBirdy88 said:

Stop spouting this "more accepted" nonsense.... the PS2 outsold the PS3 and will likely outsell the PS4... this timeframe nonsense is indeed asinine.

The PlayStation 2 was on the market for 13 years, discounted to $50 in the ending years and extremely popular in the third world where money is tight and it's all that could be afforded...

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#41 Edited by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@Pedro said:
@iandizion713 said:

Its a home console first, portable second. It has to be in home console mode to charge.

Thats is factually not true. Its entirely made up of mobile parts in addition to that the system and all its parts are encased in a a tablet. A tablet is a mobile device.

Its not even a tablet as we dont know if it has touch capabilities. Yall be trying to hate way to hard. Funny for people who dont care for the console yall sure spend a lot of time whining about it.

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#42 Posted by silversix_ (26347 posts) -

I'd preferred if the console gave some competition to mah ps4 cuz the Xbone is unable to do so.

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#43 Posted by deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd (12449 posts) -
@dynamitecop said:
@MBirdy88 said:

Stop spouting this "more accepted" nonsense.... the PS2 outsold the PS3 and will likely outsell the PS4... this timeframe nonsense is indeed asinine.

The PlayStation 2 was on the market for 13 years, discounted to $50 in the ending years and extremely popular in the third world where money is tight and it's all that could be afforded...

exactly.. circumstances.

Got an excuse for the Wii as well?

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#44 Edited by Brah4ever (1704 posts) -

@MBirdy88 said:
@dynamitecop said:
@MBirdy88 said:

Stop spouting this "more accepted" nonsense.... the PS2 outsold the PS3 and will likely outsell the PS4... this timeframe nonsense is indeed asinine.

The PlayStation 2 was on the market for 13 years, discounted to $50 in the ending years and extremely popular in the third world where money is tight and it's all that could be afforded...

exactly.. circumstances.

Got an excuse for the Wii as well?

The Wii pretty much brought games into the hands of people who thought games were for kids/nerds.

Made gaming much more socially acceptable to the general public, it was plastered all over the media. You had various outlets like CNN and BBC showing soccer moms, grandparents, etc. using it.

It became more than just only nerds or little kids play games and instead people (talking in first person) "just like myself" play games too? Woah, ima get me one, hence the Wii craze in around 2006-2007.

These very same people eventually became mobile gamers (phones/tablets) or moved onto PS360 hence why every console last gen sold over 80 million units, this has never happened before.

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#45 Posted by dynamitecop (6395 posts) -

@brah4ever said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@dynamitecop said:
@MBirdy88 said:

Stop spouting this "more accepted" nonsense.... the PS2 outsold the PS3 and will likely outsell the PS4... this timeframe nonsense is indeed asinine.

The PlayStation 2 was on the market for 13 years, discounted to $50 in the ending years and extremely popular in the third world where money is tight and it's all that could be afforded...

exactly.. circumstances.

Got an excuse for the Wii as well?

The Wii pretty much brought games into the hands of people who thought games were for kids/nerds.

Made gaming much more socially acceptable to the general public, it was plastered all over the media. Soccer moms, grandparents, etc.

It became more than just only nerds or little kids games and instead people (talking in first person) "just like myself" play games too? Woah, ima get me one, hence the Wii craze in around 2006-2007.

These very same people eventually became mobile gamers (phones/tablets) or moved onto PS360 hence why every console last gen sold over 80 million units, this has never happened before.

This^

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#46 Posted by 22Toothpicks (12546 posts) -

@iandizion713 said:
@Pedro said:
@iandizion713 said:

Its a home console first, portable second. It has to be in home console mode to charge.

Thats is factually not true. Its entirely made up of mobile parts in addition to that the system and all its parts are encased in a a tablet. A tablet is a mobile device.

Its not even a tablet as we dont know if it has touch capabilities. Yall be trying to hate way to hard. Funny for people who dont care for the console yall sure spend a lot of time whining about it.

Rumors from Emily Rodgers claim that is has a multi-touch capacitive screen. And if it doesn't have a touch screen I will eat one of my shoes.

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#47 Posted by KungfuKitten (26799 posts) -

I'm happy that they outlasted their competition. Now we have two closed system miniPC's and a tablet.

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#48 Posted by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@22Toothpicks: Get ready to eat your shoes. Its pretty hard to touch a device thats docked.

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#49 Posted by joebones5000 (2733 posts) -

Nintendo needs to leave the home console hardware market. This is the only way Nintendo will survive.

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#50 Posted by deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd (12449 posts) -

@brah4ever said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@dynamitecop said:
@MBirdy88 said:

Stop spouting this "more accepted" nonsense.... the PS2 outsold the PS3 and will likely outsell the PS4... this timeframe nonsense is indeed asinine.

The PlayStation 2 was on the market for 13 years, discounted to $50 in the ending years and extremely popular in the third world where money is tight and it's all that could be afforded...

exactly.. circumstances.

Got an excuse for the Wii as well?

The Wii pretty much brought games into the hands of people who thought games were for kids/nerds.

Made gaming much more socially acceptable to the general public, it was plastered all over the media. You had various outlets like CNN and BBC showing soccer moms, grandparents, etc. using it.

It became more than just only nerds or little kids play games and instead people (talking in first person) "just like myself" play games too? Woah, ima get me one, hence the Wii craze in around 2006-2007.

These very same people eventually became mobile gamers (phones/tablets) or moved onto PS360 hence why every console last gen sold over 80 million units, this has never happened before.

Right, and now there is a Handheld/Home console device in one that incorporates what people find attractive about a tablet and a home gaming console in one, and you dismiss that as a gimmick? why? because the only thing a PS4/Xbox can do over it is better graphics... something that is starting to prove to be less impactful over things like price and software... because of diminishing returns.. and the lack of risk taking in the AAA market.. to the point where we have 2 companies that have nothing to brag about over eachother except expensive console upgrades that follow that same trend.

Will probably completely replace the PSVita for its niche Japanese focused market, combined with nintendo's excellent first party.... anyone who likes japanese stuff will appreciate this device even if it doesn't match PS4... ironically pretty dead on the Japanese front.

If this was running Nintendo's old .. trashy OS/eco system (again another major downside for them) then I would agree with you more. but this is Nvidia/Android TV 2.0 with an up to date Nvidia GPU (GTX mobile range) , the Tegra X1 surpassed PS3/Xbox360 graphics in 2015 quite nicely... whatever this new one is, if it even reaches Xbox One or close.. is more than enough for this device.

All-in-one device... built on already well established services.... you underestimate the potential, you could be right, you could be wrong. but your narrow minded view of the situation based on the Wii U is just wrong.