What are the Top 3 Greatest Developer?

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#1 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

Hello System Warriors,

Greetings Gentlemen! This is an important topic to discuss. What are the top 3 greatest developer Known to mankind? lets talk about it? and why? why do you think they are best? tell me with explaination. so let me start formally

  • Valve: often regarded Saviour of PC gaming. They havenot Made a single bad game in their life. i consider left 4 dead their weakest product but that was also great. and Half life series was greatest thing known to mankind.
  • ID software: Creator of FPS genre. they are behind Doom and Quake. they are not only creator but also instruct other developer how to make FPS games. they only made one bad game and that was Rage.
  • Looking Glass Studio: Studio behind Thief and System shock. i mean in late 90s how they revolutionize gaming industry, take gaming industry forward and create the most deep, and complex games ever. i cant imagine anyone who played thier game in late 90s and doesnot like them..

so here was my explaination. im looking forward to your list and reason why you think X developer is greatest?

Regards

SYSTEM-REBOOT

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#2 Posted by Mozelleple112 (6952 posts) -

Kojima Productions

- the Metal Gear franchise, best franchise ever, MGS4 best game ever made, MGSV: Phantom Pain will probably be even better, nuff said really

Nintendo EAD

- I don't know which Ninty studio developed which game, but Nintendo has been behind many of the all time greats, like LoZ:OOT, SMG1-2, SMB1-3 etc.. So which ever of there studios that has done the most of the best games from Ninty deserves second spot.

Rockstar North

Consistently making some of the best games out there, all being among the generations best. Every single Rockstar big production game becomes a GOTY contender

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#3 Edited by PAL360 (28723 posts) -

Bethesda - Mostly because of TES series. Easily the only single player games i can explore the worlds, stories and lore, for literaly hundreds of hours, without being bored.

Rockstar - They are the best at making action open world games. RDR and GTA series are simply brilliant!

Bioware - KOTOR and Mass Effect (especialy the first one) are some of my favourite story driven RPGs of all time.

Honorable mention to Nintendo, Naughty Dog, CD Projekt, DICE and Valve

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#4 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (19564 posts) -

Uhh.... None.... They all **** up eventually.

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#5 Posted by Maroxad (14514 posts) -

NIS
Square Enix
Falcom

On a serious note

Looking Glass Studios: Thief, System Shock, Ultima Underworld. I mean come on, we are talking about a company composed of a lot of MIT graduates, they can be expected to be good.
Nintendo EAD: responsible for Mario and Zelda.
Atlus: I only started getting into their games recently, most games leave me very impressed, only one game left me disappointed thus far and I still aknowledge that as a well made game.

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#6 Edited by TheEroica (17227 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu: negative nancy...

On topic, my favorite AAA devs would be...

Bioware and valve...

Bioware rarely let's me down and although I couldn't give a rats ass about half-life, valves combination of portal and left 4 dead last gen was pretty awesome.

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#7 Posted by Suppaman100 (5250 posts) -

- Kojima productions. MGS nuff said.

- Naughty Dogs. Probably the only consistent dev in the industry that always delivers.

- Bethesda. Elder scrolls and new IP's like the Evil within and Dishonered make this one of the best.

(Honorable mentions: Level 5, Rockstar)

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#8 Edited by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

- Naughty Dogs. Probably the only consistent dev in the industry that always delivers.

I dont think so

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#9 Edited by FreedomFreeLife (3948 posts) -

Valve - They give support. They give free DLC and free games. This is the only gaming company that really cares about gamers. Now gamers can make their own games, sell, make their own movies, modes, everything for free. Valve saved gaming. Not only that, but they made amazing Half Life games, best CO-OP games of all like like Portal and Left 4 Dead and great multiplayer games like Team Fortress 2 and Dota 2.

Rockstar - Best open world games. Nothing else to say.

Naughty Dog - They just simply make great action games. Looks like big hollywood movie. I loved Uncharted 3 online also.

Nintendo makes great games but nothing else. They are anti-party gamers, racists and has no online games. So no, Nintendo has to leave.

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#10 Posted by Suppaman100 (5250 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

- Naughty Dogs. Probably the only consistent dev in the industry that always delivers.

I dont think so

Tell me then. What game was bad coming out the ND stall?

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#11 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (3948 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

Hello System Warriors,

Greetings Gentlemen! This is an important topic to discuss. What are the top 3 greatest developer Known to mankind? lets talk about it? and why? why do you think they are best? tell me with explaination. so let me start formally

  • Valve: often regarded Saviour of PC gaming. They havenot Made a single bad game in their life. i consider left 4 dead their weakest product but that was also great. and Half life series was greatest thing known to mankind.
  • ID software: Creator of FPS genre. they are behind Doom and Quake. they are not only creator but also instruct other developer how to make FPS games. they only made one bad game and that was Rage.
  • Looking Glass Studio: Studio behind Thief and System shock. i mean in late 90s how they revolutionize gaming industry, take gaming industry forward and create the most deep, and complex games ever. i cant imagine anyone who played thier game in late 90s and doesnot like them..

so here was my explaination. im looking forward to your list and reason why you think X developer is greatest?

Regards

SYSTEM-REBOOT

I don´t agree with ID and Looking Glass Studio at all. They are not greatest because they havent made any great games last 15 years. Just because they made long time ago some good games does not make them greatest.

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#12 Edited by uninspiredcup (24914 posts) -

It's common knowledge Nintendo and Valve are the greatest developers in the industry, this is of course, the universal answer that should be enforceable applied to all posts across the land.

Capcom would probably be the third. Resident Evil, Street Fighter e.t.c... like Nintendo very important to the early development of consoles.

Unsure why people are saying Naughty Dog. 4 movie games, waste of time. Contributed nothing. Subway ads.

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#13 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

- Naughty Dogs. Probably the only consistent dev in the industry that always delivers.

I dont think so

Tell me then. What game was bad coming out the ND stall?

you put statement like only dev who always deliver like other developer dont? LOL!

beside ND didnot make any good game. just cinematic movie based games like uncharted and TLOU. good for them who like but not for me.

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#14 Posted by Suppaman100 (5250 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

It's common knowledge Nintendo and Valve are the greatest developers in the industry, this is of course, the universal answer that should be enforceable applied to all posts across the land.

Capcom would probably be the third. Resident Evil, Street Fighter e.t.c... like Nintendo very important to the early development of consoles.

Unsure why people are saying Naughty Dog. 4 movie games, waste of time. Contributed nothing.

Lold at Crapcom.

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#15 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

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I don´t agree with ID and Looking Glass Studio at all. They are not greatest because they havent made any great games last 15 years. Just because they made long time ago some good games does not make them greatest.

Looking glass studio is no more. they defunct in 2000

did u just said 15 years ago ID made a good game? Doom 3 was excellent. and after that they only made after doom 3 that was rage

ID is like valve. make game in decade and take long process.

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#16 Edited by Krelian-co (13274 posts) -

1. Squaresoft (not Square Enix) in the 90's and early 2000's pumped incredible rpgs one after another.

2. Nintendo (Zelda, Mario, Metroid)

3. Naughty Gods - Again, incredible game after incredible game each gen.

Honorable mention to Kojima team for MGS franchise

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#17 Posted by cainetao11 (32443 posts) -

Valve

Kojima Productiions

Bungie

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#18 Posted by Suppaman100 (5250 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

- Naughty Dogs. Probably the only consistent dev in the industry that always delivers.

I dont think so

Tell me then. What game was bad coming out the ND stall?

you put statement like only dev who always deliver like other developer dont? LOL!

beside ND didnot make any good game. just cinematic movie based games like uncharted and TLOU. good for them who like but not for me.

L O L.

It's no my fault you have terrible video game taste then. Facts are facts, TLOU won most GOTY awards last gen, and it's safe to say it's the best game of last gen.

And lol at ID, they've turned into garbage. The new Doom will be mediocre. ID was great in the past, now they're nothing, especially compared to Naughty Dog.

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#19 Edited by FreedomFreeLife (3948 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

I don´t agree with ID and Looking Glass Studio at all. They are not greatest because they havent made any great games last 15 years. Just because they made long time ago some good games does not make them greatest.

Looking glass studio is no more. they defunct in 2000

did u just said 15 years ago ID made a good game? Doom 3 was excellent. and after that they only made after doom 3 that was rage

ID is like valve. make game in decade and take long process.

ID is not even near like Valve. ID is now for console gamers. ID gave nothing to PC gamers.

game Rage was horrible. new wolfenstein game was horrible. Doom 4 is not again casual game with unlimited ammo, unlimited jumping and fast gameplay which takes horror elements away. ID can´t make good games anymore. Their good games were only Doom 3

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#20 Edited by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

L O L.

It's no my fault you have terrible video game taste then. Facts are facts, TLOU won most GOTY awards last gen, and it's safe to say it's the best game of last gen.

And lol at ID, they've turned into garbage. The new Doom will be mediocre. ID was great in the past, now they're nothing, especially compared to Naughty Dog.

really you cricitizing my taste when you are one who is screaming for GOTY this GOTY that. so because it won GOTY from biased site does that make it greatest thing since slice bread? LOL. TLOU is glorified hollywood movie. i like my games to be gamey with lot of exploration and deep and complex gameplay.

Half life won Game of the decade twice. i suspect any other valve game will win this decade too.

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#21 Edited by uninspiredcup (24914 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

- Naughty Dogs. Probably the only consistent dev in the industry that always delivers.

I dont think so

Tell me then. What game was bad coming out the ND stall?

you put statement like only dev who always deliver like other developer dont? LOL!

beside ND didnot make any good game. just cinematic movie based games like uncharted and TLOU. good for them who like but not for me.

Agreed. Even Doom III, which was a disappointment for many, it was still 10 times the game of anything Naughty Dog could possibly make. A vastly superior developer, vastly.

"oh oh oh oh oh ohweeee ohhhhh ohweeeeeeohhhhhhh Naughty Dog won pretenty awards from a corrupt movie game industry"

Sadly, ID invented FPS as we know it, and thus, win, forever.

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#22 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@FreedomFreeLife said:

ID is not even near like Valve. ID is now for console gamers. ID gave nothing to PC gamers.

game Rage was horrible. new wolfenstein game was horrible. Doom 4 is not again casual game with unlimited ammo, unlimited jumping and fast gameplay which takes horror elements away. ID can´t make good games anymore. Their good games were only Doom 3

ID created FPS genre was GOD gifted to PC gamers.

yes rage was horrible because of mismanage, id tech 5, console development, never shown on PC. new wolfenstein was not made by ID it was made by talentless hacks known as machinegames.

Doom4 as you describe how it should be. Doom 4 loooks like what doom 3 should have been. fast paced game and not psedu horror.

i love doom 3 but its not what doom is about.

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#23 Posted by Suppaman100 (5250 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

L O L.

It's no my fault you have terrible video game taste then. Facts are facts, TLOU won most GOTY awards last gen, and it's safe to say it's the best game of last gen.

And lol at ID, they've turned into garbage. The new Doom will be mediocre. ID was great in the past, now they're nothing, especially compared to Naughty Dog.

really you cricitizing my taste when you are one who is screaming for GOTY this GOTY that. so because it won GOTY from biased site does that make it greatest thing since slice bread? LOL. TLOU is glorified hollywood movie. i like my games to be gamey with lot of exploration and deep and complex gameplay.

Half life won Game of the decade twice. i suspect any other valve game will win this decade too.

So over 200+ media are all biased? LMFAO, weak damage control, even for you.

Half life winning game of the decade twice? Oh right the media that gave those awards weren't biased at all right? Lol hypocrite.

And talking about Half life and Valve, when is HL3 coming?...Oh right, it's almost vapor ware now. Srsly what has Valve done after HL2?

Valve is the same as ID, great in the past but nothing special anymore now.

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#24 Posted by Suppaman100 (5250 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

- Naughty Dogs. Probably the only consistent dev in the industry that always delivers.

I dont think so

Tell me then. What game was bad coming out the ND stall?

you put statement like only dev who always deliver like other developer dont? LOL!

beside ND didnot make any good game. just cinematic movie based games like uncharted and TLOU. good for them who like but not for me.

Agreed. Even Doom III, which was a disappointment for many, it was still 10 times the game of anything Naughty Dog could possibly make. A vastly superior developer, vastly.

"oh oh oh oh oh ohweeee ohhhhh ohweeeeeeohhhhhhh Naughty Dog won pretenty awards from a corrupt movie game industry"

Sadly, ID invented FPS as we know it, and thus, win, forever.

Lol at you even daring to compare mediocre garbage like Doom III with TLOU.

But we'll see what becomes of the new Doom, lol.

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#25 Posted by uninspiredcup (24914 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:


And talking about Half life and Valve, when is HL3 coming?...Oh right, it's almost vapor ware now. Srsly what has Valve done after HL2?

Looking at history, Team Fortress 2 was in development since 1999, only to be released in 2007.

It is commonly thought of as the greatest multiplayer shooter around by people who do are incredibly intelligent.

Meanwhile, Naughty Dog bangs out more ripoff's. Ellen Page should have sued really.

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#26 Edited by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

So over 200+ media are all biased? LMFAO, weak damage control, even for you.

Half life winning game of the decade twice? Oh right the media that gave those awards weren't biased at all right? Lol hypocrite.

And talking about Half life and Valve, when is HL3 coming?...Oh right, it's almost vapor ware now. Srsly what has Valve done after HL2?

Valve is the same as ID, great in the past but nothing special anymore now.

1. Half life is more of game than anyting ND has ever made. try playing both uncharted and HL and then compare which one is more of game. i think uncharted is good game for roller coster ride when u have nothing else to play for some fun but its no Half life. so yes all 200 media are not gamers at all. they are just casuals who scream at ZOMG CINEMATICZ!! AMAZING EXPLOSIONZZ" reason why COD is so popular.

2. It doesnot matter if HL3 coming out or not. Source engine 2 is in development and valve say they are waiting for a game to roll with. so in the end valve will make something else. it could be HL3 or it could be some new ip

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/23/half-life-3-being-worked-on-says-counter-strike-creator

and most likely HL3 coming out because someone say it.

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#27 Posted by Telekill (7346 posts) -

Naughty Dog - I'm one who enjoys a story driven experience and Naughty Dog are masters at delivering a great story and coupling it with solid gameplay. I've truly enjoyed every one of their games from the PS3 days and I hope they continue their trend well into the future.

Crystal Dynamics - They not only brought Tomb Raider (a long running favorite series of mine) back from the brink, they did it twice. First in the PS2 days with TR Legend and lastly with the incredible reboot from last year. The bow mechanics are so fun in the reboot that I've started my 4th play through already.

Rockstar - I'm not big on GTA so much as their other titles like Red Dead and Max Payne. One thing is for sure though in that Rockstar delivers games that are polished and have lots of quality. They've been doing that since the PS1 days from my perspective.

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#28 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

Lol at you even daring to compare mediocre garbage like Doom III with TLOU.

Doom 3 was excellent game. no iron sight, no regen health, Perfect graphics at the time of 2004 and destroy everything else till Crysis 1, exploration,

the only bad thing was it was too slow.

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#29 Posted by AmazonAngry (968 posts) -

Naughty Dog

Sony Santa Monica

Kojima

FromSoftware honorable mention.

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#30 Posted by Boddicker (4332 posts) -

Impossible to say because it changes every decade or so.

10 years ago I would have said Blizzard, but look at them now.

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#31 Posted by speedfreak48t5p (12607 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

It's common knowledge Nintendo and Valve are the greatest developers in the industry, this is of course, the universal answer that should be enforceable applied to all posts across the land.

Capcom would probably be the third. Resident Evil, Street Fighter e.t.c... like Nintendo very important to the early development of consoles.

Unsure why people are saying Naughty Dog. 4 movie games, waste of time. Contributed nothing. Subway ads.

Stay mad.

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#32 Posted by Blabadon (33030 posts) -

It's quite refreshing to see suppaman argue with someone of the same intelligence as him.

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#33 Posted by parkurtommo (28295 posts) -

1. Valve

2. Rockstar

3. Rocksteady

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#34 Edited by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

It's quite refreshing to see suppaman argue with someone of the same intelligence as him.

atleast i dont scream GOTY GOTY. i look into game closely, play it multiple time, finding flaws, finding how is level design, gunplay, target audience and come to conclusion to declare game x a good or bad.

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#35 Posted by 22Toothpicks (12536 posts) -

To me it's 1a)Nintendo EAD 1b) Rockstar North then everyone else. Kojima Productions, Obsidian, Bethesda, Bungie, Valve, Retro and Intelligent Systems all deserve honorable mentions. As for all of the ND love...eh, the Uncharted series is overrated.

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#36 Edited by parkurtommo (28295 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

- Naughty Dogs. Probably the only consistent dev in the industry that always delivers.

I dont think so

Tell me then. What game was bad coming out the ND stall?

you put statement like only dev who always deliver like other developer dont? LOL!

beside ND didnot make any good game. just cinematic movie based games like uncharted and TLOU. good for them who like but not for me.

Agreed. Even Doom III, which was a disappointment for many, it was still 10 times the game of anything Naughty Dog could possibly make. A vastly superior developer, vastly.

"oh oh oh oh oh ohweeee ohhhhh ohweeeeeeohhhhhhh Naughty Dog won pretenty awards from a corrupt movie game industry"

Sadly, ID invented FPS as we know it, and thus, win, forever.

Lol at you even daring to compare mediocre garbage like Doom III with TLOU.

But we'll see what becomes of the new Doom, lol.

Not worth comparing. Doom 3 was the best looking game that had come out until Half Life 2. It was the most impressive looking game that had ever existed at the time, until Half Life 2. TLOU is just ND continuing on their legacy, nothing about TLOU is innovative, it's just a good game, but not groundbreaking (maybe for cows?).

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#37 Edited by kepper_larson (39 posts) -

Naughty gods
ID
Quantic Dream

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#38 Edited by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@parkurtommo said:

1. Valve

2. Rockstar

3. Rocksteady

i can see why people posting rockstar even thought i hate EVERY single of their product. but rocksteady? did they made something other than batman?

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#39 Posted by parkurtommo (28295 posts) -

@system-reboot said:

@parkurtommo said:

1. Valve

2. Rockstar

3. Rocksteady

other than batman?

Not that I know of. But that's why they're good, they have consistently made near perfect games. They just have to prove that they can do things that don't involved batman...

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#40 Posted by PrincessGomez92 (5003 posts) -

Nintendo

Retro Studios

Capcom

Honourable mentions:

Bungie

Grasshopper

Rare

Sega

Infinity Ward

Valve

Rockstar

Ubisoft

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#41 Posted by manny280 (1990 posts) -

Rockstar North Retro Bungie

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#42 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (5811 posts) -

infinity ward

treyarch

sledgehammer games

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#43 Edited by Krelian-co (13274 posts) -

@ghostwarrior786 said:

infinity ward

treyarch

sledgehammer games

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#44 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@princessgomez92 said:

Nintendo

Retro Studios

Capcom

Honourable mentions:

Bungie

Grasshopper

Rare

Sega

Infinity Ward

Valve

Rockstar

Ubisoft

you did not explain me or give me a reason. and infinity ward??

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#45 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (5811 posts) -

@Krelian-co said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

infinity ward

treyarch

sledgehammer games

get with the times brah, u probably also think justin bieber isnt a great singer huh

the only thing more outdated than a pc plebs preferences are their graphic cards

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#46 Posted by PrincessGomez92 (5003 posts) -

@system-reboot:

Neither did some other users, yet you single me out.

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#47 Posted by Suppaman100 (5250 posts) -

@parkurtommo said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@system-reboot said:

@Suppaman100 said:

- Naughty Dogs. Probably the only consistent dev in the industry that always delivers.

I dont think so

Tell me then. What game was bad coming out the ND stall?

you put statement like only dev who always deliver like other developer dont? LOL!

beside ND didnot make any good game. just cinematic movie based games like uncharted and TLOU. good for them who like but not for me.

Agreed. Even Doom III, which was a disappointment for many, it was still 10 times the game of anything Naughty Dog could possibly make. A vastly superior developer, vastly.

"oh oh oh oh oh ohweeee ohhhhh ohweeeeeeohhhhhhh Naughty Dog won pretenty awards from a corrupt movie game industry"

Sadly, ID invented FPS as we know it, and thus, win, forever.

Lol at you even daring to compare mediocre garbage like Doom III with TLOU.

But we'll see what becomes of the new Doom, lol.

Not worth comparing. Doom 3 was the best game that had come out until Half Life 2. It was the most impressive looking game that had ever existed at the time, until Half Life 2. TLOU is just ND continuing on their legacy, nothing about TLOU is innovative, it's just a good game, but not groundbreaking (maybe for cows?).

"Doom 3 was the best game that had come out until Half Life 2" HAHAHAHAHAH!!!

It looked good, that's it.

Hermits and their low standards lol.

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#48 Posted by uninspiredcup (24914 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

It's common knowledge Nintendo and Valve are the greatest developers in the industry, this is of course, the universal answer that should be enforceable applied to all posts across the land.

Capcom would probably be the third. Resident Evil, Street Fighter e.t.c... like Nintendo very important to the early development of consoles.

Unsure why people are saying Naughty Dog. 4 movie games, waste of time. Contributed nothing.

Lold at Crapcom.

The Capcom more or less invented two genres at least. Naughty Dog has the Indiana Jones man sell subway burgers.

Thus, I am right.

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#49 Edited by SYSTEM-REBOOT (658 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

It's common knowledge Nintendo and Valve are the greatest developers in the industry, this is of course, the universal answer that should be enforceable applied to all posts across the land.

Capcom would probably be the third. Resident Evil, Street Fighter e.t.c... like Nintendo very important to the early development of consoles.

Unsure why people are saying Naughty Dog. 4 movie games, waste of time. Contributed nothing.

Lold at Crapcom.

The Capcom more or less invented two genres at least. Naughty Dog has the Indiana Jones man sell subway burgers.

Thus, I am right.

well i disagree. capcom didnot invent anything.

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#50 Posted by handssss (1907 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

@Suppaman100 said:


And talking about Half life and Valve, when is HL3 coming?...Oh right, it's almost vapor ware now. Srsly what has Valve done after HL2?

Looking at history, Team Fortress 2 was in development since 1999, only to be released in 2007.

It is commonly thought of as the greatest multiplayer shooter around by people who do are incredibly intelligent.

Meanwhile, Naughty Dog bangs out more ripoff's. Ellen Page should have sued really.

yeah... while Naughty Dog only makes AAA after AAA every single console gen without having to absorb indie devs who made mods that were more fun than their games, they're still worse than Valve because they wanted to remaster a game many ps4 owners never had the chance to play before moving onto their next project. They should've just made an online game store and fucked about for close to a decade developing nothing new, but teasing fans every so often that they are.