Watch Dogs Legion is 1440p on XSX - said by Dictator ( Alex ) from Digital Foundry

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#1  Edited By mowgly1
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https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/2170046/

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#2 brimmul777  Online
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Lol. Who's the Dictator?

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With RT? Not all that surprising. Jeez, I tried to run Odyssey via UPlay+ on my PC, and I had to quit before the opening cutscene... It was a performance nightmare.

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#4 Pedro
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So, the developer is lying about the resolution?

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#5 lundy86_4  Online
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@Pedro said:

So, the developer is lying about the resolution?

Open hand + cover mouth = the absolute shock.

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#6 The6millionLies
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Are youtube screen captures relevant to count pixels ?

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#7 mowgly1
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@brimmul777:

I've edited OP probably later than you've posted. Dictator is Alex Bataglia from Digital Foundry.

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#8 hardwenzen
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@lundy86_4 said:

With RT? Not all that surprising. Jeez, I tried to run Odyssey via UPlay+ on my PC, and I had to quit before the opening cutscene... It was a performance nightmare.

lol don't you have a 3080?

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#9 sakaiXx
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Lmao, lems just wants a day of winning but failed xD. welp its ubisoft. Still upscaled 4K with RT in open world game is still quite impressive.

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#10 mowgly1
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@the6millionlies:

Yep, for example, DF made NSW Witcher 3 trailer analysis and resolutions were correct later in final game :

https://www.resetera.com/threads/digital-foundry-analysis-of-the-witcher-3-on-switchs-e3-trailer-footage.123057/

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#11  Edited By lundy86_4  Online
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@hardwenzen said:

lol don't you have a 3080?

I f'in wish. I have fully-purchased one, but I need to wait until they come into stock lol. Rocking a 2080, and it's likely my issue, but I couldn't get Odyssey to work worth a damn... I'm also not an illiterate pr*ck, so God knows...

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#12 Archangel3371
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I’m fine with that myself. 🤷‍♂️

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#13  Edited By The6millionLies
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@mowgly1: I asked because my girlfriend is a filmmaker and she doesn't upload any of her projects to youtube , she hates the "4K" quality of youtube , says there isn't much different between 1080p and 4K with youtube videos , too much compression and lost of image quality. But well..It might be different and still works to count pixels.

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#14 Pedro
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@lundy86_4 said:
@Pedro said:

So, the developer is lying about the resolution?

Open hand + cover mouth = the absolute shock.

November 10th we will know if their claim is false. I reckon it most likely would be as they advertised. I don't think any dev is that stupid to make a claim about their game on console and not have it scrutinized by gamers.

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#15 mowgly1
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@the6millionlies: Switch is even worse in image quality. Well, you can still count pixels even if it is blurry image.

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@Pedro said:

November 10th we will know if their claim is false. I reckon it most likely would be as they advertised. I don't think any dev is that stupid to make a claim about their game on console and not have it scrutinized by gamers.

I definitely wouldn't be surprised, but it's Ubi. I sincerely doubt this is an Xbox issue, as their games don't run all that well on modern PC hardware. Origins was decent regarding my "aging" hardware, but Odyssey I just couldn't fix.

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Considering a 3080 with medium ray tracing runs 46 fps. This is impressive for the Series x !

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#18  Edited By Greygoose12
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Considering a 3080 with medium ray tracing runs 46 fps @ 1440p. This is impressive for the Series x !

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#19 hardwenzen
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@lundy86_4 said:
@hardwenzen said:

lol don't you have a 3080?

I f'in wish. I have fully-purchased one, but I need to wait until they come into stock lol. Rocking a 2080, and it's likely my issue, but I couldn't get Odyssey to work worth a damn... I'm also not an illiterate pr*ck, so God knows...

I am guessing basement monkeys were in charge of the optimization. There's absolutely no way a single game wouldn't be able to perform well on a 2080, its not like a 2080 is a shit card. I am curious how CP2077 is gonna do, because that game looks so much better than the yearly asscreed.

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#20 Pedro
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@lundy86_4 said:

I definitely wouldn't be surprised, but it's Ubi. I sincerely doubt this is an Xbox issue, as their games don't run all that well on modern PC hardware. Origins was decent regarding my "aging" hardware, but Odyssey I just couldn't fix.

Scratch that. In the video, they stated the game runs at 4k 30FPS but never stated with RT. 😂 They just talked about RT after that statement. Dirty buggers.

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#21 hardwenzen
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@the6millionlies said:

@mowgly1: I asked because my girlfriend is a filmmaker and she doesn't upload any of her projects to youtube , she hates the "4K" quality of youtube , says there isn't much different between 1080p and 4K with youtube videos , too much compression and lost of image quality. But well..It might be different and still works to count pixels.

Dunno about that. I'm on a 1440p monitor and i notice a huge difference between a 1080p and a 4k video on youtube when on full screen. Of course there's compression, but the difference is there, and its not tiny.

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It's SO badly optimised that it should not be used as a guideline for console or PC performance.

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#23 Zero_epyon
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Makes sense. People are going to call 4K outputs 4K. Unless they specifically say "Native" 4K it's going to be some form of upscaled/reconstructed 4K. Learned that early on this gen with the refreshed consoles. And if this 100% true, then the Series X and PS5 will perform the same. Ubisoft loves its parity at the start.

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#24 Pedro
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@netracing said:

It's SO badly optimised that it should not be used as a guideline for console or PC performance.

How is it badly optimized? Folks like to throw around badly optimized without any real validation to the claim.

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Good thing Microsoft printed “8K” on the chip...

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#26 NathanDrakeSwag
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Ubisoft and Microsoft are the biggest liars in the industry. Very pathetic that Microsoft paid Ubisoft to lie about performance on XSX to distract from them having zero first party launch titles in addition to the directors of Halo Infinite and Everwild abandoning ship.

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Makes you wonder what the PS5 will be

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#28 Pedro
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@goldenelementxl said:

Good thing Microsoft printed “8K” on the chip...

Yep! And not on the front of the box in gold. 😉

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#29 tormentos
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So much for 4k machine.

Pre order canceled.

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#30 tormentos
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Good to know.

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#31 Zero_epyon
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@goldenelementxl: put it on their box too!

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@Pedro said:
@netracing said:

It's SO badly optimised that it should not be used as a guideline for console or PC performance.

How is it badly optimized? Folks like to throw around badly optimized without any real validation to the claim.

At RTX 3080 with a 3900x should not be running at 45fps with max settings @1440p. That is a badly optimised port.

It may well run better on Console since it's ported to PC, but it's a terribly optimised PC port.

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#33 Zero_epyon
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@navyguy21: probably 1440p but dynamically scaled so it’ll drop to a red just below that to hit the 30fps mark.

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#34 Archangel3371
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@tormentos: You’re welcome. 😁

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@navyguy21 said:

Makes you wonder what the PS5 will be

Enough of that talk, this is a MS bashing thread, don't you know the rules lol.

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#36 Pedro
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@netracing said:

At RTX 3080 with a 3900x should not be running at 45fps with max settings @1440p. That is a badly optimised port.

It may well run better on Console since it's ported to PC, but it's a terribly optimised PC port.

Where are you getting this information?

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@Pedro said:
@netracing said:

At RTX 3080 with a 3900x should not be running at 45fps with max settings @1440p. That is a badly optimised port.

It may well run better on Console since it's ported to PC, but it's a terribly optimised PC port.

Where are you getting this information?

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My own PC....

He averaged 50FPS in the benchmark and that was with RT off. That is rubbish for the hardware it's playing on.

With RT on I average the same at 1440p. That is a badly optimised port.

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#38  Edited By Pedro
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@netracing said:

My own PC....

He averaged 50FPS in the benchmark and that was with RT off. That is rubbish for the hardware it's playing on.

With RT on I average the same at 1440p. That is a badly optimised port.

RT is computationally expensive. Pretending that 4K @ 60FPS with RT is common is just plain ignorant. I am glad you cleared that up.

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#39  Edited By mrbojangles25
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Playing Watch Dogs on my PC right now. It does not run that smooth, can't imagine it runs great at all on console.

C'mon Ubisoft, you're the developer-publisher I want to hate but can't because your games are fun, but you keep giving me more and more reasons to dislike you.

AND WHY THE HELL DOES EVERYONE LOOK LIKE THEY JUST STRUTTED OFF THE CATWALK OF A FASHION SHOW!??!?!?!

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#40  Edited By deactivated-5fd4737f5f083
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@Pedro said:
@netracing said:

My own PC....

He averaged 50FPS in the benchmark and that was with RT off. That is rubbish for the hardware it's playing on.

With RT on I average the same at 1440p. That is a badly optimised port.

RT is computationally expensive. Pretending that 4K @ 60FPS with RT is common is just plain ignorant. I am glad you cleared that up.

50fps average (with dips under 20) with RT off at 4k is NOT well optimised for a RTX 3080 and that CPU, there are no ifs or buts about it.

Clearly you made up your mind already and will ignore evidence to the contrary though.

be less ignorant.

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#41 xantufrog  Moderator
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Not surprising at all. 1440p with RT is super demanding

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@xantufrog said:

Not surprising at all. 1440p with RT is super demanding

The majority of AAA titles this next generation are going to incorporate RT tech.

This game would suggest that 1440p will become standard (and apparently acceptable) for this gen in that case. Would be pretty poor wouldn't it?

Or perhaps, this game is poorly optimised.

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#43 Pedro
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@xantufrog said:

Not surprising at all. 1440p with RT is super demanding

Yep! Some people don't understand this simple concept.

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@navyguy21: will probably be the same. There's not much difference between the two.

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#45 hardwenzen
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This game is so trash. The most repetitive shitfest of an open world in a few years. God awful gameplay.

How is this even remotly enjoyable? And when you're literally doing the same shit for hundreds of times, i ask myself if watching paint dry is more enjoyable.

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@Pedro: imagine how absolute garbage this will run on the series s? Bu bu bu it’s a 1440p machine lol

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@phlop_spencer:

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#48 Phlop_Spencer
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@Pedro said:

@phlop_spencer:

Is that footage of you imploding after all this bad xbox news?

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#49  Edited By Pedro
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@phlop_spencer: Don't be ashamed to admit that is your reaction every time I post. 😂🤣

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#50 Phlop_Spencer
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@Pedro: man tough day for xbox hey lol