Was PS4 over-criticized for its launch year?

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#1  Edited By SolidGame_basic
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EDIT: I changed the subject to more accurately get what I'm asking.

It seems to me that Sony has gotten the most flack for a perceived lack of games, when in fact, there were plenty, including 1st party. Comparing games from November 2013 to November 2014 (PS4 & X1 launch year).

PS4

Killzone: Shadow Fall
Knack
InFAMOUS/First Light
MLB 14 The Show
DriveClub
The Last of Us Remastered
CounterSpy (co-developed with first party)
Hohokum (co-developed with first party)
Entwined (co-developed with first party)
LittleBigPlanet 3 (second party)

Xbox One

Master Chief Collection
Forza Horizon 2
Forza 5
Project Spark
Kinect Sports Rivals
Killer Instinct (second party)
Ryse (third party)
Sunset Overdrive (second party)
Fighter Within (third party)

Wii U

Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
Mario Kart 8
Super Smash Bros Wii U
NES Remix 2
Toad's Treasure Tracker (came out in Dec, but I will throw that in anyway)
Super Mario 3D World
Dr. Luigi
Mario & Sonic at the Sochi Olympic Winter Games
Pushmo World
Hyrule Warriors (third party)
Bayonetta 2 (third party)

And that's considering that it was a launch year. Whereas the Wii U was in its second year. If you want to compare Sony's second year (from what we know already), it is looking ridiculously strong with games like The Order, Bloodborne, Uncharted 4, and what else is up our alley that hasn't been revealed yet. On top of that, PS4 has the most 3rd party support and most indie support.

With an already amazing year for the system, . On the other hand, it seems like other systems have not been put under the same magnifying glass. Why is that, SW? Or is that just fanboy talk?

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#2 bunchanumbers
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You forgot Nintendoland, NSMBU, SLU, Wii Sports Club, Wii Fit U and WWHD. Probably more.

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#3  Edited By ghostwarrior786
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well sony is king of consoles so people expect more from them, its only natural. kidtendo is like the socially awkward relative who u only see every christmas, they aint this conversation

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@bunchanumbers said:

You forgot Nintendoland, NSMBU, SLU, Wii Sports Club, Wii Fit U and WWHD. Probably more.

did not come out between November 2013 through November 2014

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#7 ProtossX
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@SolidGame_basic:

PS4

Killzone: Shadow Fall

Knack (indie)

InFAMOUS/First Light

MLB 14 The Show (ps3/vita port not exclusive)

DriveClub (5/10 forza 5 got a 9/10)

LittleBigPlanet 3 (ps3 port not exclusive)

The Last of Us Remastered (ps3 port not exclusive)

CounterSpy (first party assistance) (indie)

Hohokum (first party assistance) (indie)

Entwined (first party assistance) (indies indies indies)

INDIES INDIES PS3 REMASTER PORT INDIES INDIES PS3 REMASTER PORT INDIES INDIES INDIES PS3 REMASTER PORT INDIES INDIES INDIES

sooooo how dem indies brah? the ps4 master of ps2 graphic indies powah of the ps4

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#8 sHaDyCuBe321
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Bayonetta 2 was made with Nintendo assistance so that can be included.

With that said...

Nintendo games 8/10 or higher 5 of 7. 6 out of 7 if we're going by MC like cows love doing.

MS games 8/10 or higher 2 out of 4.

Sony games 8/10 or higher (not counting multi platform games like TLoU) 3 out of 9.

It's about quality, not quantity.

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#9 mems_1224
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since when does quantity=quality?

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@farrell2k said:

Sony offers a fantastic platform for gaming. The exclusives are almost as good as Nintendo, but much better than anything Microsoft has. It wouldn't surprise me to if they did release more first party stuff. The only problem I have with Sony is the monthly fee for online play. If it weren't there, I'd own a ps4 right now.

Blame MS for that. If Xbox live failed it is possible online would have remained free. ps plus would then be an optional service.

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#11  Edited By bunchanumbers
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Is Crimson Dragon or Lococycle included in this list?

And why are you discrediting second party games when you include first party assistance for Sony? It sounds like your standards are a bit off.

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@bunchanumbers said:

Is Crimson Dragon or Lococycle included in this list?

And why are you discrediting second party games when you include first party assistance for Sony? It sounds like your standards are a bit off.

cause Sony was involved in the actual development of those games

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@bunchanumbers said:

Is Crimson Dragon or Lococycle included in this list?

And why are you discrediting second party games when you include first party assistance for Sony? It sounds like your standards are a bit off.

because it doesnt count if ms helps fund a game, they're just being greedy. but when sony does it its because they love gamers-cow logic

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#15  Edited By Alcapello
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Sony standard are always have been the same, its system like nintendo, xbox, and PC which have lowered themselves to xbox standards.

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#16 bunchanumbers
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You should add Kinect Sports Rivals and Minecraft too.

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@alcapello said:

Sony standard are always have been the same, its system like nintendo, xbox, and PC which have lowered themselves to xbox standards.

Why is Nintendo in there?

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huh?

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#20  Edited By DEadliNE-Zero0
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Sony = quality.

They've always had the best consoles, ever since they started. Their first party studios are top of the line and highly experienced with Playstation systems, which is why the game they make are better than 95% of multiplats out there.

Nowadays, Sony even extends to indie titles, offering the best support they could hope for, which is why games like Resogun and Entwined are better than most indie garbage on Steam. We'll see it again when RIME, The Tomorrow's Children, Everybody's gone to rapture and No Man's Sky release.

Hell, they even help out Capcom with Street Fighter 5.

The best in the business. Thank you Sony

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@deadline-zero0 said:

Sony = quality.

They've always had the best consoles, ever since they started. Their first party studios are top of the line and highly experienced with Playstation systems, which is why the game they make are better than 95% of multiplats out there.

Nowadays, Sony even extends to indie titles, offering the best support they could hope for, which is why games like Resogun and Entwined are better than most indie garbage on Steam. We'll see it again when RIME, The Tomorrow's Children, Everybody's gone to rapture and No Man's Sky release.

Hell, they even help out Capcom with Street Fighter 5.

The best in the business. Thank you Sony

Eh the SEGA had better consoles than Sony.

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@mems_1224 said:

since when does quantity=quality?

This gen apparently.

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#24  Edited By DEadliNE-Zero0
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@LJS9502_basic said:

@deadline-zero0 said:

Sony = quality.

They've always had the best consoles, ever since they started. Their first party studios are top of the line and highly experienced with Playstation systems, which is why the game they make are better than 95% of multiplats out there.

Nowadays, Sony even extends to indie titles, offering the best support they could hope for, which is why games like Resogun and Entwined are better than most indie garbage on Steam. We'll see it again when RIME, The Tomorrow's Children, Everybody's gone to rapture and No Man's Sky release.

Hell, they even help out Capcom with Street Fighter 5.

The best in the business. Thank you Sony

Eh the SEGA had better consoles than Sony.

No, Sony always had the best consoles out there. PS1 was the best when every SNES game jumped onboard, PS2 dominated, and the ps3 was amazing after a bumpy start.

PS4 so far is superb. What's the best console SEGA had? The Genesis? Shit.

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You just reminded me why I have no interest in PS4.

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#26  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@deadline-zero0 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Eh the SEGA had better consoles than Sony.

No, Sony always had the best consoles out there. PS1 was the best when every SNES game jumped onboard, PS2 dominated, and the ps3 was amazing after a bumpy start.

PS4 so far is superb. What's the best console SEGA had? The Genesis? Shit.

Genesis was great. But the DC was the best SEGA had. They were also more innovative and ahead of the curve.

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Forza Horizon 2 is vastly superior to any of the PS4 exclusives. Sony's problem isn't quantity, it's quality.

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@deadline-zero0:

@LJS9502_basic:

That was sarcasm.

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@SolidGame_basic: Its like a curse and blessing for Sony. Everyone knows they are so much more superior compared to nintendo and ms so they expect much better out of them. They are weightened differently.

Broken shit like MCC with a meta of 89 and rehashes like Mario 3D with a meta of 93 are proof of that I would say.

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#30  Edited By EducatingU_PCMR
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So high standards is releasing the more amount of bad games in X time?

Don't cows use the "quality over quantity" saying?

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#31  Edited By TheGreatGeneral
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@EducatingU_PCMR said:

So high standards is releasing the more amount of bad games in X time?

Don't cows use the "quality over quantity" saying?

No, we use quality + quantity > quality or quantity.

Sheeps are happy when they get two rehashes a year and lems are happy they get the usual Halo, Forza, Gears cycle like MS conditioned them to be.

Cows on the other hand are only happy when they get a great variety of new and established IPs, blockbuster realistic games and smaller artistic games.

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#32 Suppaman100
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@LJS9502_basic said:

@deadline-zero0 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Eh the SEGA had better consoles than Sony.

No, Sony always had the best consoles out there. PS1 was the best when every SNES game jumped onboard, PS2 dominated, and the ps3 was amazing after a bumpy start.

PS4 so far is superb. What's the best console SEGA had? The Genesis? Shit.

Genesis was great. But the DC was the best SEGA had. They were also more innovative and ahead of the curve.

Please the best SEGA console doesn't even come close to the worst PS console.

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TC being delusional once again

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@deadline-zero0 said:

Sony = quality.

They've always had the best consoles, ever since they started. Their first party studios are top of the line and highly experienced with Playstation systems, which is why the game they make are better than 95% of multiplats out there.

Nowadays, Sony even extends to indie titles, offering the best support they could hope for, which is why games like Resogun and Entwined are better than most indie garbage on Steam. We'll see it again when RIME, The Tomorrow's Children, Everybody's gone to rapture and No Man's Sky release.

Hell, they even help out Capcom with Street Fighter 5.

The best in the business. Thank you Sony

Feels good getting that of the chest, right? Embrace the SDC.

@lostrib said:

TC being delusional once again

Lostrip trying to shit up a thread once again.

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@thegreatgeneral said:

@lostrib said:

TC being delusional once again

Lostrip trying to shit up a thread once again.

how do you shit up that which is already shit

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#37 TheGreatGeneral
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@lostrib said:

@thegreatgeneral said:

@lostrib said:

TC being delusional once again

Lostrip trying to shit up a thread once again.

how do you shit up that which is already shit

You being here is enough to do this. Who are you to declare a thread as shit? The thread police or just a wannabe mod?

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@thegreatgeneral said:
@lostrib said:

@thegreatgeneral said:

@lostrib said:

TC being delusional once again

Lostrip trying to shit up a thread once again.

how do you shit up that which is already shit

You being here is enough to do this. Who are you to declare a thread as shit? The thread police or just a wannabe mod?

I don't have to be either of those things to declare a thread shit. I can just do it, it's rather simple

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@lostrib said:

@thegreatgeneral said:
@lostrib said:

@thegreatgeneral said:

@lostrib said:

TC being delusional once again

Lostrip trying to shit up a thread once again.

how do you shit up that which is already shit

You being here is enough to do this. Who are you to declare a thread as shit? The thread police or just a wannabe mod?

I don't have to be either of those things to declare a thread shit. I can just do it, it's rather simple

And thats the reason why you shit up so many thread. If you dont like the thread dont post in it or just make an argument why the TC is wrong in his views.

Does it really never cross your mind to contribute instead of just shitposting?

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#40 lostrib
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@thegreatgeneral: I have to keep things balanced. Settle down, you're not exactly one to criticize people for shitty posting.

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#41  Edited By TheGreatGeneral
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@lostrib: So I was right about the thread police thing. This will be my last post to you in this thread, because we are derailing it.

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@thegreatgeneral said:

@lostrib: So I was right about the thread police thing. This will be my last post to you in this thread, because we are derailing it.

no, you would still be wrong. I'm simply just criticizing you and your posts. I also like how you run away all the time.

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@lostrib said:

@thegreatgeneral said:

@lostrib: So I was right about the thread police thing. This will be my last post to you in this thread, because we are derailing it.

no, you would still be wrong. I'm simply just criticizing you and your posts. I also like how you run away all the time.

I am getting baited right now? I were the one criticizing you for your shitposting.

Im the one running away? You were the one running away in the cinematic thread, still waiting for your reply...

And how I am wrong when you yourself just said you have to keep things balanced?

Feel free to respond, but this time its really my last reply to you.

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@thegreatgeneral said:
@lostrib said:

@thegreatgeneral said:

@lostrib: So I was right about the thread police thing. This will be my last post to you in this thread, because we are derailing it.

no, you would still be wrong. I'm simply just criticizing you and your posts. I also like how you run away all the time.

I am getting baited right now? I were the one criticizing you for your shitposting.

Im the one running away? You were the one running away in the cinematic thread, still waiting for your reply...

And how I am wrong when you yourself just said you have to keep things balanced?

Feel free to respond, but this time its really my last reply to you.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about right now. Or perhaps you misunderstood what I wrote

Now run along, little lady

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@Suppaman100 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Genesis was great. But the DC was the best SEGA had. They were also more innovative and ahead of the curve.

Please the best SEGA console doesn't even come close to the worst PS console.

Exactly. Sony's diverse portfolio puts them far beyond SEGA's best. Not to meantion that in terms of mascots Crash >>>>>>>> Sonic

@scottpsfan14 said:

Not even far wrong. They have something for everybody. Selling more than 360 million home console units since 1994 solidifying them as THE most successful console brand in the history of this planet!! It truly is #Sony Domination Continuation :')

Your second line is exactly the point. While Ninty only does Mario and Zelda rehashes, and MS only does Halo, Gears, Forza, Sony changes and brings something new to the table every time.

First Crash, then GOW, next Uncharted. It was so good last time, they gave us with The Last of Us right before the gen started.

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#46  Edited By Mr_Huggles_dog
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@ProtossX: how is Knack an indy game?

Wait....it's Knack, it doesn't matter.

But LBP3 is not a port it's cross gen. Same as MLB The Show (if I'm thinking correctly) and TLoU Remaster is upgraded which you can only get on the PS4.

As for Driveclub, I bought it a few days ago and am enjoying more than any forza I've played. Gamespot are slackers and should revisit games after updates and whatnot.

Plus they have some free stuff for the trouble.

I would give the game an 8....which good regardless of its a lower number than forza.

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Every game on that list -- with the admitted exception of TLoU which can be played on a PS3, albeit an inferior version -- is severely underwhelming, so I wouldn't start claiming higher standards are at play -- particularly when you are competing with games like SSB and MK.

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Sony is the blowjob king.

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#50 KratosYOLOSwag
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It makes sense. When you have the best combination of 1st and 3rd party games you will be held to a higher standard. After all those GOTY awards, expectations are higher for Sony.

It would have been interesting if Sony gave less support to the PS3 and more to the PS4 in 2013 (pulling a Microsoft). TLoU, GT6, Beyond, Puppeteer as launch exclusives. Killzone and Knack delayed to 2014. PS3 would still have GoW:A and Ni no Kuni. But I guess it wouldn't have mattered, looking at the sales.

Starting off the gen with a 95 metacritic, 200 GOTY awards winning game would have been cool.