TV wars? QLED vs OLED

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#151 Edited by Shewgenja (20821 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@Shewgenja: Nice. I'll probably go Sony on my OLED in that case. My bedroom is relatively dark due to having a smaller window, but my LR is stupid bright.

@n64dd:Thanks.

I would not recommend OLED for a room that gets a lot of sunlight because it will degrade the panel faster. You'd be better served with either a Sammy Q8 or a Sony Z9F to have consistent performance in your living room.

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#152 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -
@Shewgenja said:
@lundy86_4 said:

How is Sony's quality nowadays? This year i'm going OLED in my bedroom and QLED in my living room.

Their newest high end OLED line is outperforming LG in terms of picture accuracy. LG still outputs brighter nits, though. If you prefer scenes free of crushed blacks, though, Sony is holding the crown when the A9F drops. Also, with eARC support, they are the way to go if you have anything past a 5.1 theatre setup.

Aren't they actually LG panels in the sony's though?

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#153 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -
@Shewgenja said:
@lundy86_4 said:

How is Sony's quality nowadays? This year i'm going OLED in my bedroom and QLED in my living room.

Their newest high end OLED line is outperforming LG in terms of picture accuracy. LG still outputs brighter nits, though. If you prefer scenes free of crushed blacks, though, Sony is holding the crown when the A9F drops. Also, with eARC support, they are the way to go if you have anything past a 5.1 theatre setup.

Do you have proof of crushed blacks in current OLED's?

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#154 Posted by Shewgenja (20821 posts) -

@n64dd: Crushed blacks wasnt the right word for it. A gross oversimplification. The article I linked earlier goes into detail about it, though. As for the panel, yes, LG males the panel but Sony's image processing makes the difference.

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#155 Edited by N64DD (11187 posts) -
@Shewgenja said:

@n64dd: Crushed blacks wasnt the right word for it. A gross oversimplification. The article I linked earlier goes into detail about it, though. As for the panel, yes, LG males the panel but Sony's image processing makes the difference.

I did some research myself and I understand it. It'll prevent crushed blacks way more effectively. It seems to be a calibration issue with OLEDs, where people don't adjust the blacks correctly. The new Sony's have a different system which is closer to a calibrated monitor. Less room for user error. I tested mine and I don't seem to have it. I followed some good guides to calibrating/configuring for my TV. It's amazing how much a little bit of research can squeeze a lot more out of your tv performance wise.

Correct me if i'm wrong, so people understand how crushed blacks work and how to prevent it.

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#156 Edited by Shewgenja (20821 posts) -

@n64dd: I recommend having a new high end panel ISF calibrated. It's worth every penny.

Seeing OOB settings on tv's is almost rage inducing. Blue-whites drive me crazy.

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#157 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

@n64dd: I recommend having a new high end panel ISF calibrated. It's worth every penny.

Seeing OOB settings on tv's is almost rage inducing. Blue-whites drive me crazy.

Can't do it yourself?

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#158 Posted by DeltaCobra (536 posts) -

I am late to this discussion but I'll give me insight.

About 5ish years ago I bought my previous TV and I took home a pretty good LG LED 1080p TV. High quality set for around 2012/2013. Cost about $3500 just reduced from about $4.8k. I took it back to the store (JBHiFi) because every time I watched a movie with black bars and the lights were off, you would notice the most crap light seeping through the top and bottom of the panel. I couldn't deal with it. My partner who barely notices anything even commented. It was awful. I took back the TV and swapped for the recommendation to a samsung F8500. It was the last plasma and by far their best. Bright as an led but with deep blacks, movies looked amazing on this thing. Games were awesome also with a decent input but awesome colour.

So I bought a new TV last week and again I went to the store and tried the Q9 samsung, but i eventually settled on the LG C8 and so glad I did. Blacks are amazing now and the input for gaming is par.

The q9 was good but to my eyes it just looks that bit washed out and it's obvious when you know what you are looking for.

In the store you don't see the glow or light bleed of LCD tech.. but i personally cant stand it.

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#159 Posted by Blackhairedhero (2351 posts) -

I got a 65 inch Sony A8f and its beautiful. Playing GoW on new game + and it's the most visually impressive game I have ever seen.

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#160 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -

@blackhairedhero said:

I got a 65 inch Sony A8f and its beautiful. Playing GoW on new game + and it's the most visually impressive game I have ever seen.

Horizon and Witcher 3 both look nuts on it. I agree GoW looks incredible on it. HDR does wonders.

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#161 Posted by Trevorcon (14 posts) -

In my opinion OLED is a no brainer over QLED all day. That's just my opinion, don't kill me.. put all way the swords an knives! Lol, but in all seriousness the picture quality is so much superior over QLED that I wouldn't even bat and eye. All of my tvs whether for just watching TV on my game room have and always will be OLED.

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#162 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -

@trevorcon said:

In my opinion OLED is a no brainer over QLED all day. That's just my opinion, don't kill me.. put all way the swords an knives! Lol, but in all seriousness the picture quality is so much superior over QLED that I wouldn't even bat and eye. All of my tvs whether for just watching TV on my game room have and always will be OLED.

Which ones do you have?

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#163 Posted by That_Old_Guy (674 posts) -

From what I was told when I was in the market for a new TV last year, as per the Best Buy employee helping me, QLED TVs we’re getting returned constantly for breaking.

I know he wouldn’t say that to make me buy another more expensive OLED TV bc the one I was wanting was the LG B7 and was on sale during Black Friday week for really cheap.

He also explained why QLED isn’t exactly a leap ahead like OLED is.

Take this for a grain of salt if you want but if there wasn’t any truth to it then among what reasons does Sony have to have LG make the OLED panel for their OLED TV?

Sony’s OLED TV is actually an LG panel. It just costs more bc it’s Sony and they really do make quality electronics. It’s their business venturing that has fucked them over. Some say the Sony OLED looks better and it might be, but for the price of I think at the time was about $1000 more than the LG...not that much better.

I have an LG B7. It looks gorgeous.

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#164 Edited by Howmakewood (5532 posts) -

@that_old_guy: all the OLED panels are from LG, not just Sony's. This is very common thing in pc monitors, phone screens etc(for example iPhone displays are from Samsung)

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#165 Posted by That_Old_Guy (674 posts) -

@howmakewood: well at the time the only other OLED TVs were Sony besides LG.

If things have changed since then, then whatever.

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#166 Posted by LushisLuey (9 posts) -

I didn't even know people actually bought qled tvs, the graphics and quality of oled speaKS for itself. I think 5 minutes using both it won't take long for a person to choose oled.

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#167 Posted by lundy86_4 (50926 posts) -

@lushisluey said:

I didn't even know people actually bought qled tvs, the graphics and quality of oled speaKS for itself. I think 5 minutes using both it won't take long for a person to choose oled.

I'm only doing QLED as I run a PC consistently through my main TV and I have two sets of french doors to my balcony, which let in crazy light. For my bedroom, I want an OLED.

There's reasoning, but OLED is clearly the way to go, if it's viable.

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#168 Edited by igork007 (1 posts) -

OK this is a little off topic but since you guys seem to know your TV's I thought I'd ask...

I have an older but amazing Panasonic professional plasma TV. Not the one you can get at Best Buy, the one that was only available through high end dealers. Anyways, I've been gaming on it for about 5 years. I'm tempted to move to an LG OLED to take advantage of 4K but not sure about lag. I don't want to use "game mode" because that pretty much cancels out all the benefits of the TV. Can anyone weigh in on the pros & cons of an LED TV vs. plasma for gaming and for those that moved from plasma to OLED was it worth it?

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#169 Posted by GioVela2010 (5566 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:
@lushisluey said:

I didn't even know people actually bought qled tvs, the graphics and quality of oled speaKS for itself. I think 5 minutes using both it won't take long for a person to choose oled.

I'm only doing QLED as I run a PC consistently through my main TV and I have two sets of french doors to my balcony, which let in crazy light. For my bedroom, I want an OLED.

There's reasoning, but OLED is clearly the way to go, if it's viable.

Check out the Vizio QLED. $1500 at Costco and better reviewed than the 8-9 series Samsung QLED’s

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#170 Posted by lundy86_4 (50926 posts) -

@GioVela2010 said:

Check out the Vizio QLED. $1500 at Costco and better reviewed than the 8-9 series Samsung QLED’s

I'll have a look. It's probably gonna be closer to Christmas, so hopefully there's a few hundred off.

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#171 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -
@lundy86_4 said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Check out the Vizio QLED. $1500 at Costco and better reviewed than the 8-9 series Samsung QLED’s

I'll have a look. It's probably gonna be closer to Christmas, so hopefully there's a few hundred off.

LG OLED 65 inchers have been on sale in the 1600 dollar range.

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#172 Posted by emgesp (7620 posts) -

Since you are obviously a gamer go for something like the new Vizio P Quantum series. Low lag, great picture quality and can get really bright for proper HDR.

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#173 Edited by Davet1986 (2 posts) -

So which OLED has HDMI 2.1?? I look at the spec in some LG and Sony TV and I don't see anything that says 2.1 Casino Online

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#174 Posted by Dr_Van_Nostrand (112 posts) -

Oleds are nice. I have seen them crush shadow detail, though.

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#176 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -
@dr_van_nostrand said:

Oleds are nice. I have seen them crush shadow detail, though.

It's easy to setup to get around that.

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#177 Edited by Grey_Eyed_Elf (5970 posts) -

I bought the Samsung Q8FN 55" and love it, I use it in the game room for gaming. I am currently eyeing up the Panasonic 55" FZ952B for the bedroom to upgrade the 42" Sony TV we currently use which would be primarily for Movies and netflix.

Anyone want's a TV to game on the Q8NF is incredible I can barely tell the difference in terms of input lag when using my mouse to play games on it.

QLED and OLED both have their advantages and disadvantages to be honest neither are the perfect package.

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#178 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (44924 posts) -

I just purchased a 55" LG OLED and it's gorgeous. Little concerned about the burn-in issues, so I got the extended warranty just in case.

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#179 Posted by Grey_Eyed_Elf (5970 posts) -
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My suspicions where right... I have a feeling in the next 1-2 years we will be seeing a LOT of complaints about burn in on people who have been buying the great OLED's that have gone on sale.

I am tempted to get one for the bedroom but also I rarely watch TV there anymore so I can wait till Micro Led comes out in a year or two.

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#180 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -
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My suspicions where right... I have a feeling in the next 1-2 years we will be seeing a LOT of complaints about burn in on people who have been buying the great OLED's that have gone on sale.

I am tempted to get one for the bedroom but also I rarely watch TV there anymore so I can wait till Micro Led comes out in a year or two.

Image retention is a thing if you're smart. You only get burn in when you're stupid with them.

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#181 Posted by Heirren (687 posts) -

I have a sony LCD. Are oleds nicer? Yes. Do I care? No. I hardly turn the TV on. Sometimes I'll use it as a lamp.

I don't see the need for a $10000 TV.

I have a galaxy s9+. The display is really nice. No comparison in terms of black level vs LCD. Lcds can have some nasty light bleed, especially on larger displays.

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#182 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -

@heirren said:

I have a sony LCD. Are oleds nicer? Yes. Do I care? No. I hardly turn the TV on. Sometimes I'll use it as a lamp.

I don't see the need for a $10000 TV.

I have a galaxy s9+. The display is really nice. No comparison in terms of black level vs LCD. Lcds can have some nasty light bleed, especially on larger displays.

lol wut?

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#183 Posted by Heirren (687 posts) -

@n64dd:

I mean i do see the quality of oled. I had a video playing on my s9+ and the blacks are so black you cant even tell the screen is on.

Oled TV. This I do not have experience with. I have seen them at retail stores but that's never the best environment to view things from. However, from what I have seen(again this is retail store experience) i still think plasma has the edge in terms of overall picture. Black shouldn't overwhelm an image. I don't like to use a phone screen as an example but sometimes I think damn this is really nice but at the same time I wonder "did the cinematographer really want this much black?"

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#184 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -

@heirren: I understand your concerns.

In store TV’s are setup with crazy settings to show off demo videos. When you set them up right they eat plasma’s alive.

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#185 Edited by jahnee (3863 posts) -

Maybe I missed other posters also mentioning this but VA panels generally have excellent blacks , low response times around 20ms, good hdr brightness and 10bit + wide colour space. Sony's panels for example also don't have that nasty PWM flickering, which makes the image smooth and easy on the eyes. Only negative For VA panels are that the image degrades at an angle, though I myself use an X700E 55" VA (500$) panel from 5 feet away and the image is consisstent enough at a slight angle.

Again make sure your model is a VA panel by checking sites like this

https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/aa49bb4

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#186 Posted by mave198 (7212 posts) -

My C7 even a year later still drops my jaw. And this is a PS3 game.

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#187 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -

@mave198: oled all the way!

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#188 Edited by sukraj (27808 posts) -

I own the E8 oled and it blows me away everytime I watch a movie or play a videogame the picture is so vibrant and you get inky blacks that you cant get on a led tv. I had the E6 and b6 before I bought the E8 and I would never go back to led I just cant stand the washed out colours and light bleed

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#189 Posted by Howmakewood (5532 posts) -
@sukraj said:

I own the E8 oled and it blows me away everytime I watch a movie or play a videogame the picture is so vibrant and you get inky blacks that you cant get on a led tv. I had the E6 and b6 before I bought the E8 and I would never go back to led I just cant stand the washed out colours and light bleed

It's a big upgrade, I recently scoped 65 b7 on a decent deal to replace my old js8500 in living room which had a very barebone HDR too. What made you jump on E model if I may ask? I never saw the value in the higher end models as I havent used tv speakers for like 10+ years

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#190 Posted by sukraj (27808 posts) -

@howmakewood said:
@sukraj said:

I own the E8 oled and it blows me away everytime I watch a movie or play a videogame the picture is so vibrant and you get inky blacks that you cant get on a led tv. I had the E6 and b6 before I bought the E8 and I would never go back to led I just cant stand the washed out colours and light bleed

It's a big upgrade, I recently scoped 65 b7 on a decent deal to replace my old js8500 in living room which had a very barebone HDR too. What made you jump on E model if I may ask? I never saw the value in the higher end models as I havent used tv speakers for like 10+ years

the reason I bought the E series is because I liked the glass panel

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#191 Posted by Howmakewood (5532 posts) -
@sukraj said:
@howmakewood said:
@sukraj said:

I own the E8 oled and it blows me away everytime I watch a movie or play a videogame the picture is so vibrant and you get inky blacks that you cant get on a led tv. I had the E6 and b6 before I bought the E8 and I would never go back to led I just cant stand the washed out colours and light bleed

It's a big upgrade, I recently scoped 65 b7 on a decent deal to replace my old js8500 in living room which had a very barebone HDR too. What made you jump on E model if I may ask? I never saw the value in the higher end models as I havent used tv speakers for like 10+ years

the reason I bought the E series is because I liked the glass panel

Ah that's fair, mine's wall mounted so the glass doesn't look that great

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#192 Posted by JillWilliam (12 posts) -

OLED is different than QLED. QLED is variation of LED & LCD. Choice is your... Don't consider it as WAR.

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#193 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -

@jillwilliam said:

OLED is different than QLED. QLED is variation of LED & LCD. Choice is your... Don't consider it as WAR.

If you have a bright room or use it at as a monitor, QLED is a no brainer. Excited to see what MicroLED brings.

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#194 Posted by JDubbs7 (7 posts) -

Nothing beats OLED. My philosophy is get an OLED and then make your room match it. Not the other way around.

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#195 Edited by artillery77 (61 posts) -

Oled has color fade, image retention, and burn in. Atleast one of these (if not all) will occur eventually. If you game do not buy OLED period. Yes the pictures great but the trade off isn't worth it. Qled will give you none of those, higher input lag and the picture is damn close.

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#196 Posted by N64DD (11187 posts) -

@artillery77: LOL qled is not even close.

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#197 Posted by MonsieurX (38375 posts) -
@n64dd said:

@artillery77: LOL qled is not even close.

This.

QLED is just Samsung's poor marketing attempt for regular LED tvs

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#198 Posted by artillery77 (61 posts) -

@MonsieurX: you're both wrong period. The 2018 Q9fn is the best tv of 2018 period. Near perfect blacks just under Oled. Better brightness, better color, better input lag, far better life cycle. OLED is "organic" its colors fade, it's a broken tech. Microled looks to fix it. If you are a gamer and own an Oled it's only a matter of when. Enjoy your pretty blacks though!

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#199 Posted by artillery77 (61 posts) -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cwuxWvr6wMU&t=539s

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#200 Edited by MonsieurX (38375 posts) -

@artillery77 said:

@MonsieurX: you're both wrong period. The 2018 Q9fn is the best tv of 2018 period. Near perfect blacks just under Oled. Better brightness, better color, better input lag, far better life cycle. OLED is "organic" its colors fade, it's a broken tech. Microled looks to fix it. If you are a gamer and own an Oled it's only a matter of when. Enjoy your pretty blacks though!

According to...?

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-resolution/4k-ultra-hd-uhd

No signs of QLED anywhere