Truth: 30 FPS is fine for most games, I lock/cap 30 FPS if I can’t lock 60 FPS on my GTX 1080

1125Mhz yields 5.76 TFLOPS

6 TFLOPS and 320 GB/s memory bandwidth should have been the target i..e. 1172 Mhz GPU clock speed. Minimum fps should be around 30 fps.

GTX 1080's 2560 CUDA cores are similar to 40 CU i.e. 2560 CUDA cores / 64 = 40 CU.

This is what we refer to as a red-herring. In no way does it refute the fact that DF stated 1070>XB1X in two videos now. And that is just for FC5, this holds true for several other games with even larger magnitudes.

Or more importantly, how they vastly prefer 59-60 average fps on their 1080 over 30 locked, unlike the OP. It is objectively superior for the human eye. Making this thread's title "Truth" anything but. As if almost everyone ITT telling the OP he's wrong wasn't enough.

Please do not post red-herrings in response to facts I state.

You couldn't be anymore wrong if you tried.

Everything "Enthusiast" level is just a nice to have.

What's funny is 60 FPS over 30 genuinley effects gameplay.

Meanwhile in console land the 4k and hdr "nice to have" is somehow essential... despite both having 0 effect on gameplay, infact 4k had take away from it due to the heavy demand.

But choosing prettier settings over 60FPS sounds wrong to me.... even in pretty SP games 60 FPS makes a big difference, you only have to look at a Souls game at 30 vs 60 FPS for an obvious example of the difference, this myth that 60 FPS is only important for MP shooters is flat out wrong.

And then there is 120 FPS ... you'd think it wouldn't be noticable.... but after whipeing my PC and wondering why my games felt less "Responsive" because the default was 60hz not 120hz you soon realise that there is a very real difference.

Resolution, Colour Quality and Frame-rate , none are "essential" to improve on , all of it has heavy diminishing returns.

Only one platform will give you the full range of choices (even if HDR is in a less adopted state, there are other methods that come close) and that is PC.

They were Using a Titan Xp not a 1080, they couldn’t lock 60, and they never said anything about preferring the variable frame rates to Locked 30

Alex from DF seems to have a ho hum “close enough” attitude, Richard seems more data driven.

Frankly, Alex’s words don’t convince me without proof, and he hasn’t provided the proof. The closest he came to providing proof was the benchmark that dipped to 29 FPS.

29 FPS in a benchmark, when multiple outlets have shown actually gameplay is more demanding than that benchmark.

1. 29 fps is not solid 30 fps.

2. My argument about X1X being superior to both RX-580 and GTX 1060 is not a red herring

3. The gap between RX-580 and GTX 1070 is small for FC5.

Yes it is. My post was about the fact that 1070 > X1X. Bringing up those other 2 cards is not relevant, as that fact does not dismiss the original fact laid out by Digital Foundry many times. Which is that overall 1070 > XB1X for FC5 (twice), on top of several other Face Off video games they have conducted. A majority of XB1X games, including FC5, run better on 1070. This fact has been verified by DF multiple times. Bringing up 2 other cards does not change this fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

Unlike the straw man, which is premised on a distortion of the other party's position,^[2] the red herring is a seemingly plausible, though ultimately irrelevant, diversionary tactic.^[3]

This argument has been going on longer than it takes to beat FC5 and be done with the mediocre game.

lulz.

@GioVela2010: What sub is that?

I’m getting these annoying flickering red dots when I turn on HDR in windows. Reminds me of the dots I was getting with my X1X at first, but I was able to go into xbox Settings, change some things, and fix it.

@GioVela2010: HDR on Windows is broken. Enable it only in games.

There isn't an argument though. DF made a final verdict for most games, being able to pull 60 fps > 30 fps. Under nearly any circumstance, avg or locked of each. Even beyond DF, there is no debating this as far as the human eye and science are concerned. This just isn't a topic that is debated or argued anywhere outside of the rare SW troll thread. Typically from the same user for several gens now.

im also having HDMI handshacking issues.

I’m really annoyed. I’ll try bypassing the receiver later tonight

I have this UHD HDR movie. My monitor isn't HDR. On my GTX 780, the movie's colors were exuberant and beautiful. On my new GTX 1070, the colors are really dull. I think it has something to do with the BT.2020 color range of that video. I can only hope the color returns after I have an HDR TV and pair it with this GPU. But it's really annoying that my GTX 780 could do it but my 1070 can't.

Ultimax UM-18 with a SpeakerPower Pkate Amp.

Built it with the help of my work neighbors

Again, another red herring from you since the gap between RX-580 and GTX 1070 is about 16 percent.

So you're saying Digital Foundry is wrong and that 1070 is not > XB1X for a majority of XB1X games including FC5?

I'm sure both videos state you are objectively wrong.

You could name this thread

"Truth - 1080p and normal good colours is enough for most games" and have the exact same level of discussion.

But as always console gamers always make out the limitations that thier consoles have is somehow the most important aspect.

I didn't claim X1X being equal to GTX 1060 or RX-580. Try again.

@ronvalencia: Straw man. I never said you did. I'm not discussing those 2 cards.

The quote chains you butted into was discussing the fact that 1070 runs FC5 and most if it's games better than XB1X. And the fact that 30fps is not as good as 60fps. Nothing more

I don't have to try again. This fact is noted several times by DF since 1Xlaunch.

PS. Why is it always so difficult to respond to you? It's like your posts belong in another thread....in every thread.

I'm sorry but I would rather have 45 to 60 FPS for all games minimum. That play so much better that frame rate it is not even funny.

Normal color? What's that? It's not like new displays are trying to display colours we can't see.

Non-HDR.

He's satirizing GioVela's selective favoritism of HDR over every other feature of game tech specs, including frame rate.

“Normal Good Colour” - Brought to you by PC Gaming 2018

"30fps is fine" -Gio and his whacked-out priorities 2018

Good job, dude! You are one persistent System Warrior.

It's as if he saw the point, and decided to own himself in the process.

Classic GeoVulva

aaaand /thread

DF often Locks frame rates too. Consistency >

@GioVela2010: Only need to lock your frames if you have too much power and not enough Hz on your display. Consistency is not important unless you're dropping below 45 fps.

This makes sense now why you are always preaching consistency and locked frame rates.

Why do you guys even bother replying anymore?

@kali-b1rd: lol!

It's hard to be a xbox one console warrior atm guys, give him some room. Dat glorious 30 fps at low settings is glorious guys.

It's the HDR, ATMOS guy. It's hard to be a Xbox fan boy atm. Give him some room to shine.

Sorry but Far Cry 5 X1X Settings are just 10% less than Ultra.

GTx 1070 Powa

45 huh?

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-the-case-for-30fps-pc-gaming

“Locking at 30fps is the solution often favoured by console developers - but why cut your potential frame-rate in half on a platform that offers so much flexibility? Why not settle on something like 40 or 45fps? The problem here is that 60 screen refreshes per second cannot be equally divided by 40 or 45 frames. Some frames stay on-screen for longer than others, resulting in off-putting judder. Locking to 30fps ensures that each rendered frame persists for two screen refreshes and presents with no screen-tear whatsoever”

@ronvalencia: what are you doing? Dark mode is the way to go.

Oh games are defo playable without HDR. Normal Good Colour or NGC (in reality, rec. 709) was standardized in the 1990 though, new standard being rec.2100. It's not necessary no, but it does look better and there is more detail to be seen, it is quite frankly, the future. There's absolute no reason why display manufacturers would go back and start making displays that only support the old recommendations.

@GioVela2010: I am doing an Idmax 15 in a 5cu box .. just waiting for the box to be built