Trump to put a 10% tariffs on video game/game hardware

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#51 Posted by nepu7supastar7 (5056 posts) -

@locus-solus:

Wouldn't that only effect actual imports? Like games that you actually order online straight from Japan or other countries? Because other companies like Sony and Nintendo have bases in America to handle distribution for their products. I'm not sure you can call localized games and hardware imported.

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#52 Posted by Dakur (3275 posts) -

@killered3 said:

@locus-solus:

Wouldn't that only effect actual imports? Like games that you actually order online straight from Japan or other countries? Because other companies like Sony and Nintendo have bases in America to handle distribution for their products. I'm not sure you can call localized games and hardware imported.

Many companies outsource some part of the game production like rendering of cg scenes.

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#53 Posted by Jag85 (13335 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:
@Jag85 said:
@ronvalencia said:

@Jag85:

USA has the world largest money spending consumer market.

Most east Asian economies are dependant U.S. consumer spending habits e.g. Japan already stated TPP is meaningless without US.(1)

1. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-tpp-abe-idUSKBN13G2IK

Japan PM says TPP trade pact meaningless without U.S.

Most western countries develop their own economies without being large economic leeches.

US's high standard of living has exist before large trading with China!

The USA will no longer have the world's largest money spending consumer market if all foreign manufactured goods (including American products manufactured overseas) are slapped with 10-50% tariffs. And as far as gaming is concerned, China has already overtaken America as the world's largest spending gaming market.

The TPP never included China in the first place, which made the TPP dependent on America. But now that Trump is abandoning the TPP, that means most of those TPP countries will just turn to China instead. The TPP gave America an advantage over China, but now that Trump is tearing up the TPP, America has just taken an L and given China the W.

Most Western countries are not the US, so it's irrelevant talking about other Western countries.

The US has always been heavily dependent on foreign trade. When it comes to manufacturing, it's been heavily dependent on China for a while now, and before that, it was heavily dependent on Japan. And when it comes to resources, America has always been heavily dependent on the Middle East.

In any trade war, a country with a trade surplus would hurt more than a country without a trade surplus.

Japan rejected Australia's pushed for TPP 11 + China plan.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/japan-rejects-malcolm-turnbulls-push-to-salvage-transpacific-partnership-report-20170124-gty7bb.html

Like I said to another poster above: "The difference is that America is dependent on China, not the other way around. If American companies stop manufacturing in China, there are still many other companies from across the world that will continue to manufacture in China. In such a scenario, it's America that gets screwed over, since they can no longer rely on cheap Chinese manufacturing, which will lead to American products becoming far too expensive to compete on the worldwide market. America needs China, not the other way around."

Japan has poor political relations with China, with bitter enmity between both countries over a number of sensitive political issues. So it shouldn't be surprising that Japan is the only TPP country so far to reject China.

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#54 Edited by ronvalencia (27406 posts) -

@Jag85 said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Jag85 said:
@ronvalencia said:

@Jag85:

USA has the world largest money spending consumer market.

Most east Asian economies are dependant U.S. consumer spending habits e.g. Japan already stated TPP is meaningless without US.(1)

1. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-tpp-abe-idUSKBN13G2IK

Japan PM says TPP trade pact meaningless without U.S.

Most western countries develop their own economies without being large economic leeches.

US's high standard of living has exist before large trading with China!

The USA will no longer have the world's largest money spending consumer market if all foreign manufactured goods (including American products manufactured overseas) are slapped with 10-50% tariffs. And as far as gaming is concerned, China has already overtaken America as the world's largest spending gaming market.

The TPP never included China in the first place, which made the TPP dependent on America. But now that Trump is abandoning the TPP, that means most of those TPP countries will just turn to China instead. The TPP gave America an advantage over China, but now that Trump is tearing up the TPP, America has just taken an L and given China the W.

Most Western countries are not the US, so it's irrelevant talking about other Western countries.

The US has always been heavily dependent on foreign trade. When it comes to manufacturing, it's been heavily dependent on China for a while now, and before that, it was heavily dependent on Japan. And when it comes to resources, America has always been heavily dependent on the Middle East.

In any trade war, a country with a trade surplus would hurt more than a country without a trade surplus.

Japan rejected Australia's pushed for TPP 11 + China plan.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/japan-rejects-malcolm-turnbulls-push-to-salvage-transpacific-partnership-report-20170124-gty7bb.html

Like I said to another poster above: "The difference is that America is dependent on China, not the other way around. If American companies stop manufacturing in China, there are still many other companies from across the world that will continue to manufacture in China. In such a scenario, it's America that gets screwed over, since they can no longer rely on cheap Chinese manufacturing, which will lead to American products becoming far too expensive to compete on the worldwide market. America needs China, not the other way around."

Japan has poor political relations with China, with bitter enmity between both countries over a number of sensitive political issues. So it shouldn't be surprising that Japan is the only TPP country so far to reject China.

Both LG and Samsung has significant market share in the mobile phone industry and these phones are manufactured outside of China. Fvck Apple's iPhone...

AMD's CPU and Polaris GPUs are made by Global Foundry which doesn't have any silicon chip fabrication factory in China.

PS4 S, PS4 Pro, Xbox One S's APU chips are made by TSMC which is located in Taiwan.

Most of NVIDIA GPU chips are made by TSMC which is located in Taiwan. GTX 1050 chips are made by Samsung which are located in South Korea.

For Intel's CPUs, it doesn't have any silicon chip fabrication factory in China.

China has PCB motherboard and external case assembly. Major push for assembly in China is done by Taiwanese ODM companies such as Foxconn, Pegatron/ASUS, Quanta which has zero regard for USA's security interest. China wouldn't be strong if Taiwan didn't back stab USA.

My mobile phone is made in South Korea.

America doesn't need China and it's better to trade with friends.

Made in USA PC parts.

http://www.icpamerica.com/products/single_board_computers/motherboard/default.html

http://www.chassis-plans.com/

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/06/06/cook-visits-mac-pro-factory/

https://blog.neweggbusiness.com/components/born-in-the-usa-computer-hardware-made-in-america/

Apple assembles its Mac Pro desktop line at a manufacturing facility in Austin, Texas

Lenovo also assembles ThinkPad and ThinkCentre computers at a Whitsett, North Carolina manufacturing plant

Are there any computer components made in America?

Yes, there are—but not every part of these components is made in America. Finished components like DRAM and SSDs use domestically-produced NAND wafers, but may use circuit boards, controllers, and other parts imported from around the globe.

Intel manufactures microprocessor wafers in several U.S. fabrication plants. Its Chandler, Arizona facility makes 14 nm and 32 nm microprocessors, and plants in Hudson, Massachusetts and Rio Rancho, New Mexico make 22 nm and 32 nm microprocessors respectively. A Hillsboro, Oregon plant makes development wafers.

Micron has manufacturing facilities outside of Salt Lake City, Utah and Boise, Idaho. It shares the Utah location with IM Flash technologies, which makes flash chips for their solid-state drives. These chips end up in DRAM and SSDs produced under the Crucial brand.

Mushkin boasts a USA-made status on its packaging, and has a manufacturing facility outside of Austin. The company commonly sources NAND wafers; for example, the Striker SSD uses Micron 16 nm MLC NAND. Samsung also manufactures a variety NAND Flash memory chips in Austin, the location of its only facility located outside of Korea. This location is reportedly building Apple’s new A9 chip.

Patriot Memory builds DRAM and thumb drives in its Fremont, California plant

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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pauline-hansons-one-nation-soars-in-postelection-poll-20161016-gs3plm.html

Australia's own UKIP/La Pen/Alternative for Germany like party i.e. One Nation has a large poll growth. Australia's current mainstream globalist government is heading towards a meltdown.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-trade-canada-idUSKBN1582P3

Canada says TPP trade deal dead without United States

Canada and Japan has rebuffed Australia's TPP 11 push.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/23/sanders-rejoices-over-death-of-tpp-says-he-could-work-with-trump-on-trade-n2275744

Sanders Rejoices Over Death Of TPP.

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#55 Posted by nepu7supastar7 (5056 posts) -

@dakur:

But if outsourcing effects the -- wait a sec!

What does outsourcing have to do with anything? I'm sure every developer outsources for making games at some point.

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#56 Posted by ronvalencia (27406 posts) -

@super600 said:
@Jag85 said:

It doesn't just affect foreign companies from Asia and Europe, but American companies as well. The vast majority of physical video game products, including consoles, graphics cards, and discs, are manufactured in Asia, mostly China. Most American products, like those from Apple and Microsoft, will also get slapped with higher tariffs. Nearly all physical video game products would become 10% more expensive in America.

Yeah. A tariff like the one trump proposed pretty much hurts nintendo, sony and microsoft, pc manufactures and companies like Apple that produce stuff in other countries like China and etc.

Apple's Mac Pros are manufactured in USA.

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#57 Posted by Desmonic (19933 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:

Apple's bin shape Mac Pros are assembled in USA. Apple's Mac Pro manufacturing facility is run by Flextronics.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtmarko/2014/07/02/us-tech-manufacturing-gems/#67a00f3e13d4

What Do a Tesla (Motors), (intel) Xeon and (Apple) Mac Pro Have In Common? Tech Products Still Made in the U.S.A

@ronvalencia said:

Apple's Mac Pros are manufactured in USA.

Pick one.

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#58 Edited by Dakur (3275 posts) -

@killered3 said:

@dakur:

But if outsourcing effects the -- wait a sec!

What does outsourcing have to do with anything? I'm sure every developer outsources for making games at some point.

Well if you outsource services or production you need to pay for that. If you move that service or production home you need to pay more if at home is more expensive.

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#59 Posted by ronvalencia (27406 posts) -

@Dark_sageX said:

@smashed_pinata: It affects all platforms. PC components come from american companies (I'm talking about AMD, Intel, Nvidia), however the assembly lines are mostly in china, because the materials required to manufacture them are there. This will affect all forms of electronics (consoles included), so unless the US have mineral reserves buried deep somewhere this tariff will affect everyone.

Intel has no leading edge silicon fab in China.

For AMD, Global Foundry has no silicon fab in China. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlobalFoundries#Fabrication_facilities

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#60 Edited by Jag85 (13335 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:
@Jag85 said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Jag85 said:

The USA will no longer have the world's largest money spending consumer market if all foreign manufactured goods (including American products manufactured overseas) are slapped with 10-50% tariffs. And as far as gaming is concerned, China has already overtaken America as the world's largest spending gaming market.

The TPP never included China in the first place, which made the TPP dependent on America. But now that Trump is abandoning the TPP, that means most of those TPP countries will just turn to China instead. The TPP gave America an advantage over China, but now that Trump is tearing up the TPP, America has just taken an L and given China the W.

Most Western countries are not the US, so it's irrelevant talking about other Western countries.

The US has always been heavily dependent on foreign trade. When it comes to manufacturing, it's been heavily dependent on China for a while now, and before that, it was heavily dependent on Japan. And when it comes to resources, America has always been heavily dependent on the Middle East.

In any trade war, a country with a trade surplus would hurt more than a country without a trade surplus.

Japan rejected Australia's pushed for TPP 11 + China plan.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/japan-rejects-malcolm-turnbulls-push-to-salvage-transpacific-partnership-report-20170124-gty7bb.html

Like I said to another poster above: "The difference is that America is dependent on China, not the other way around. If American companies stop manufacturing in China, there are still many other companies from across the world that will continue to manufacture in China. In such a scenario, it's America that gets screwed over, since they can no longer rely on cheap Chinese manufacturing, which will lead to American products becoming far too expensive to compete on the worldwide market. America needs China, not the other way around."

Japan has poor political relations with China, with bitter enmity between both countries over a number of sensitive political issues. So it shouldn't be surprising that Japan is the only TPP country so far to reject China.

Both LG and Samsung has significant market share in the mobile phone industry and these phones are manufactured outside of China. Fvck Apple's iPhone...

AMD's CPU and Polaris GPUs are made by Global Foundry which doesn't have any silicon chip fabrication factory in China.

PS4 S, PS4 Pro, Xbox One S's APU chips are made by TSMC which is located in Taiwan.

Most of NVIDIA GPU chips are made by TSMC which is located in Taiwan. GTX 1050 chips are made by Samsung which are located in South Korea.

For Intel's CPUs, it doesn't have any silicon chip fabrication factory in China.

China has PCB motherboard and external case assembly. Major push for assembly in China is done by Taiwanese ODM companies such as Foxconn, Pegatron/ASUS, Quanta which has zero regard for USA's security interest. China wouldn't be strong if Taiwan didn't back stab USA.

My mobile phone is made in South Korea.

America doesn't need China and it's better to trade with friends.

Do you know what all of those places have in common? They're all located outside of the USA. Like I mentioned before, the tariff isn't just for China, but for all countries located outside of the USA. Trump wants to slap 10-50% tariffs on all goods manufactured outside of the USA. This means all American products that rely on foreign manufacturing will increase in price by 10-50%. And the ones that choose to manufacture goods within the USA will have their prices increase by even larger margins, doubling or tripling the price, due to the higher worker wages. The significant rise in prices would mean that American products would no longer be competitive on the worldwide market.

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#61 Edited by ronvalencia (27406 posts) -

@Desmonic:

@Desmonic said:
@ronvalencia said:

Apple's bin shape Mac Pros are assembled in USA. Apple's Mac Pro manufacturing facility is run by Flextronics.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtmarko/2014/07/02/us-tech-manufacturing-gems/#67a00f3e13d4

What Do a Tesla (Motors), (intel) Xeon and (Apple) Mac Pro Have In Common? Tech Products Still Made in the U.S.A

@ronvalencia said:

Apple's Mac Pros are manufactured in USA.

Pick one.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/manufactured

noun

1.

the making of goods or wares by manual labor or by machinery, especially on a large scale:

the manufacture of television sets.

2.

the making or producing of anything; generation:

3.

the thing or material manufactured; product:

Plastic is an important manufacture.

verb (used with object), manufactured, manufacturing.

4.

to make or produce by hand or machinery, especially on a large scale.

5.

to work up (material) into form for use:

to manufacture cotton.

6.

to invent fictitiously; fabricate; concoct:

to manufacture an account of the incident.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/manufacture

1. verb

To manufacture something means to make it in a factory, usually in large quantities.

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#62 Posted by DaVillain- (35994 posts) -

@i_p_daily said:

Isn't it Trump who's hiding his tax returns as to not show how many work arounds he uses to avoid paying his fair share of tax, and yet wants to increase taxes for foriegn companies to trade in the US, that will eventually hit American companies, and thus the American people anyway lol.

Well you get what you vote for i guess :P

For one thing, I never care who was gonna win the election anyways, both Trump and Hillary aren't my favorite but I do intend to whoever wins get's a fair chance and so far, Trump ain't all that bad from what I seen (well not bad as of yet) and if the people voted him over Hillary must be something the Americans see in his eyes is what I always suspected from his victory.

As long as President Trump doesn't screw up my Paycheck, we can be friends.

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#63 Edited by ronvalencia (27406 posts) -

@Jag85 said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Jag85 said:
@ronvalencia said:

In any trade war, a country with a trade surplus would hurt more than a country without a trade surplus.

Japan rejected Australia's pushed for TPP 11 + China plan.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/japan-rejects-malcolm-turnbulls-push-to-salvage-transpacific-partnership-report-20170124-gty7bb.html

Like I said to another poster above: "The difference is that America is dependent on China, not the other way around. If American companies stop manufacturing in China, there are still many other companies from across the world that will continue to manufacture in China. In such a scenario, it's America that gets screwed over, since they can no longer rely on cheap Chinese manufacturing, which will lead to American products becoming far too expensive to compete on the worldwide market. America needs China, not the other way around."

Japan has poor political relations with China, with bitter enmity between both countries over a number of sensitive political issues. So it shouldn't be surprising that Japan is the only TPP country so far to reject China.

Both LG and Samsung has significant market share in the mobile phone industry and these phones are manufactured outside of China. Fvck Apple's iPhone...

AMD's CPU and Polaris GPUs are made by Global Foundry which doesn't have any silicon chip fabrication factory in China.

PS4 S, PS4 Pro, Xbox One S's APU chips are made by TSMC which is located in Taiwan.

Most of NVIDIA GPU chips are made by TSMC which is located in Taiwan. GTX 1050 chips are made by Samsung which are located in South Korea.

For Intel's CPUs, it doesn't have any silicon chip fabrication factory in China.

China has PCB motherboard and external case assembly. Major push for assembly in China is done by Taiwanese ODM companies such as Foxconn, Pegatron/ASUS, Quanta which has zero regard for USA's security interest. China wouldn't be strong if Taiwan didn't back stab USA.

My mobile phone is made in South Korea.

America doesn't need China and it's better to trade with friends.

Do you know what all of those places have in common? They're all located outside of the USA. Like I mentioned before, the tariff isn't just for China, but for all countries located outside of the USA. Trump wants to slap 10-50% tariffs on all goods manufactured outside of the USA. This means all American products that rely on foreign manufacturing will increase in price by 10-50%. And the ones that choose to manufacture goods within the USA will have their prices increase by even larger margins, doubling or tripling the price, due to the higher worker wages. The significant rise in prices would mean that American products would no longer be competitive on the worldwide market.

That's false since Intel and Global Foundries has fabs for CPUs and GPUs located in both USA and non-USA expect for China.

Readhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlobalFoundries#Fabrication_facilities

Global Foundries 14 nm "fab 8" is located in New York, USA. Fab 8 is use for AMD's Polaris 10, 11 and RYZEN.

If you read the simple wikipedia link, Global Foundries only one 14 nm FinFET site and that's New York, USA

Global Foundries Fab 8 and 9 has 7 nm FinFET road map and these fabs are located in USA. 7nm is for Vega 20 and Navi.

Global Foundries Fab 1 has 12 nm road map and it's located in Germany.

http://www.idtechex.com/research/articles/panasonic-view-of-the-tesla-gigafactory-00009792.asp

Chinese protectionism

Panasonic is far from being wholly dependent on Tesla for its sales of lithium-ion batteries. Knowing that the biggest value market for them is currently not cars but buses, over 75% of which are made in the protected Chinese market for buses, it is trying to manufacture there. Foreign companies wanting to manufacture products in China are required to work with a local partner, inevitably leaking intellectual property

...

Worse followed. In June, the Chinese government decided to leave LG Chem and Samsung off a list of licensed suppliers. That may disqualify them from subsidies despite producing the power units in China. MIIT rejected applications by the two battery makers - who together control one-third of the global EV battery market -saying they failed to make the cut to be included in a list of suppliers who met the country's battery standards for electric-vehicles enacted in May 2015, without giving a reason. The ministry has given the green light to 57 battery makers by June 20, but no foreign companies have made it to this list.

...

Panasonic has a joint venture in China to make other things but it will have got the message on batteries. Neither Tesla nor its supplier Panasonic can be sure of major success in China.

TC's link http://www.polygon.com/2017/1/23/14365782/video-game-industry-trump-trade-tariffs-esa is speculative not facts.

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#64 Edited by Jag85 (13335 posts) -

There's something else you've overlooked. The Taiwanese companies you mentioned, such as TSMC and Foxconn, are heavily dependent on Chinese factories. So America is still heavily dependent on China either way.

Also, there's this:

Global semiconductor market grows to $354 billion, China leads the way

The global semiconductor market is found to be worth $354 billion in 2016, up almost $30 billion from the year previous. China continues to be by the largest consumer of semiconductors, totalling almost 60% of global market share. America comes in second, at around 12%, while Europe and Japan consume 6% and 5.5% respectively.

China is, by far, the largest market for semiconductor products.

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#65 Posted by SecretPolice (35078 posts) -

Trumped Baby, Make America Rich Again!!!

Thank you based Donaldus Magnus. :P

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#66 Posted by thepclovingguy (2059 posts) -

Not a problem for me since I live in Europe.

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#67 Edited by ronvalencia (27406 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

Global semiconductor market grows to $354 billion, China leads the way

The global semiconductor market is found to be worth $354 billion in 2016, up almost $30 billion from the year previous. China continues to be by the largest consumer of semiconductors, totalling almost 60% of global market share. America comes in second, at around 12%, while Europe and Japan consume 6% and 5.5% respectively.

https://www.stratfor.com/sites/default/files/main/images/china-us-trade_2.png

http://www.idtechex.com/research/articles/panasonic-view-of-the-tesla-gigafactory-00009792.asp

Chinese protectionism

Panasonic is far from being wholly dependent on Tesla for its sales of lithium-ion batteries. Knowing that the biggest value market for them is currently not cars but buses, over 75% of which are made in the protected Chinese market for buses, it is trying to manufacture there. Foreign companies wanting to manufacture products in China are required to work with a local partner, inevitably leaking intellectual property

...

Worse followed. In June, the Chinese government decided to leave LG Chem and Samsung off a list of licensed suppliers. That may disqualify them from subsidies despite producing the power units in China. MIIT rejected applications by the two battery makers - who together control one-third of the global EV battery market -saying they failed to make the cut to be included in a list of suppliers who met the country's battery standards for electric-vehicles enacted in May 2015, without giving a reason. The ministry has given the green light to 57 battery makers by June 20, but no foreign companies have made it to this list.

...

Panasonic has a joint venture in China to make other things but it will have got the message on batteries. Neither Tesla nor its supplier Panasonic can be sure of major success in China.

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#68 Posted by thepclovingguy (2059 posts) -

@Gaming-Planet said:

If that's the case, he better lower income taxes too.

Shhh, Americans complaining about taxes, try working in Sweden for a while.

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#69 Posted by EG101 (1965 posts) -

@Xabiss said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

If that's the case, he better lower income taxes too.

He does plan to do that and he wants to move us from 7 tax brackets to only 3. I am okay with this.

As long as he doesn't screw the middle class like Obama did. It seems like the middle working class citizens always take it up the backside while the rich continue to get richer and the poor get more freebees.

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#70 Posted by Pray_to_me (4041 posts) -

All to pay for him and his Billionaire buddies to get a tax break. Supply side has never worked and neither does isolationism. Oh well. I've got my PSVR and my Pro so I should be set until he gets impeached. Unbelievable that this fool lost the vote by 3 million and still gets the seat.

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#71 Edited by Jag85 (13335 posts) -

List of the largest trading partners of the United States

  • Exports to China - 8% of US exports ($123.676 billion out of $1,620.532 billion)
  • Imports from China - 20% of US imports ($466.754 billion out of $2,347.685 billion)

Also, this is not just about China, but about America's economic relations with all foreign nations. If America slaps high tariffs on foreign trade, and China counters with low tariffs on foreign trade, that would give China the upper hand over America in a trade war.

But ultimately, it's futile for America to even be engaging in a trade war with China in the first place. In order to economically harm China, America would have to economically harm itself in the process, which is counter-productive. Better economic relations with China would be better for the American economy, but Trump instead wants to engage in a trade war with China, and doesn't care about harming the American economy itself in the process.

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#72 Edited by ronvalencia (27406 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

List of the largest trading partners of the United States

  • Exports to China - 8% of US exports ($123.676 billion out of $1,620.532 billion)
  • Imports from China - 20% of US imports ($466.754 billion out of $2,347.685 billion)

Also, this is not just about China, but about America's economic relations with all foreign nations. If America slaps a high tariffs on foreign trade, and China counters with low tariffs on foreign trade, that would give China the upper hand over America in a trade war.

But ultimately, it's futile for America to even be engaging in a trade war with China in the first place. In order to economically harm China, America would have to economically harm itself in the process, which is counter-productive. Better economic relations with China would be better for the American economy, but Trump instead wants to engage in a trade war with China, and doesn't care about harming the American economy itself in the process.

Trump is specifically targeting China. TC's link is speculative which are NOT facts.

The assertion "this is not just about China, but about America's economic relations with all foreign nations" is speculative.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/01/3-great-forces-changing-chinas-consumer-market/

AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#73 Edited by ronvalencia (27406 posts) -

@Pray_to_me said:

All to pay for him and his Billionaire buddies to get a tax break. Supply side has never worked and neither does isolationism. Oh well. I've got my PSVR and my Pro so I should be set until he gets impeached. Unbelievable that this fool lost the vote by 3 million and still gets the seat.

Other countries has lower corporate tax rate than USA.

Trump won more states with per state popular vote. That's with the current system.

The current system was the condition for the smaller states to join the union. The majority of extra 3 million votes was from Cals.

China's foreign game console restriction didn't benefit Sony and Japan which resulted in a tiny market share.

Japan and Canada says no to Australia's TPP 11 + China push.

http://www.cfmo.org/ UK, Canada, Australia and NZ are working towards it's own customs union with a combined GDP of $5.7 trillion USD.

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#74 Posted by firedguy33 (133 posts) -

@crashnburn281 said:

China manipulates currency at a whim. You do not see them as nationalistic? The consoles have to be made there to even be sold. More extreme than a tariff.

What about Japan? Their culture is very nationalistic. They buy Japanese period. Xbox never had a chance. It might not be go ernment driven, but almost their entire population is like that.

Suddenly it's bad when America starts to become nationalistic?

People are only against it because Trump's the one behind it. Hilary supporters are funny

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#75 Posted by rrjim1 (1730 posts) -

So It seems not one person here has a clue as to what he's trying to accomplish. Pretty simple, keep manufacturing in the US, bring manufacturing back to the US = JOBS FOR PEOPLE IN THE US.

It seems everyone is just worried they might have to pay a little more. I'd gladly pay more for products made in the US.

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#76 Posted by nepu7supastar7 (5056 posts) -

@dakur:

But that's just for development and that charge goes to the company, not the consumer buying the finished product. It wouldn't make sense to charge the consumer for development.

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#77 Posted by Dakur (3275 posts) -

@killered3 said:

@dakur:

But that's just for development and that charge goes to the company, not the consumer buying the finished product. It wouldn't make sense to charge the consumer for development.

Every cost from the production is translated into a cost to the consumer, otherwise companies wouldn't make a profit.

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#78 Posted by nepu7supastar7 (5056 posts) -

@dakur:

But if that's true then we would see games at individual prices instead of the usual $60 to $40 or even $30.

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#79 Edited by Jag85 (13335 posts) -

Trump is planning to slap a tariff on all foreign manufactured goods, with rates ranging from 10% to 35%, while the highest rate, 45%, is reserved for China. Trump claims this would force American companies to manufacture goods exclusively in America, bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, but that's just delusional. It won't benefit American companies or American workers.

Due to the significant differences in currency and wages between America and Asian countries like China, "Made in America" products would be far more expensive to manufacture than Asian-made products. Forcing American companies to manufacture everything in America means that American products would have to be sold at exponentially higher prices, several fold higher. This would prevent American products from being competitive, leading to American companies losing money, which leads to major job losses and increasing unemployment. Economic protectionism is harmful to the US economy.

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#80 Posted by Dakur (3275 posts) -

@killered3 said:

@dakur:

But if that's true then we would see games at individual prices instead of the usual $60 to $40 or even $30.

That's the initial price, their profit could translate into lowering the price not so much in subsequent months or in the future charging a bit more like $65. There are many ways to do it.

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#81 Edited by SecretPolice (35078 posts) -

@rrjim1:

Trust me, you're wasting your keystrokes on the clueless sculls full of mush but I applaud you for trying. lol

Trumped Baby!!! :P

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#82 Posted by nepu7supastar7 (5056 posts) -

@dakur:

But we always pay the same price regardless of what the production costs.

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#83 Posted by nepu7supastar7 (5056 posts) -

@rrjim1:

Products made in the US are usually shoddy and pieces of shit that breaks easily. If that's where we're headed then **** Trump's plan!

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#84 Posted by Shewgenja (21200 posts) -

@ronvalencia: What Do a Tesla (Motors), (intel) Xeon and (Apple) Mac Pro Have In Common?

Raising prices due to supply chains that extend beyond the US?

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#85 Posted by Imperator7 (78 posts) -

So Scorpio manufactured in US then? American Company manufacturing console in China and selling back to US = Really bad?

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#86 Posted by Dakur (3275 posts) -

@imperator7 said:

So Scorpio manufactured in US then? American Company manufacturing console in China and selling back to US = Really bad?

$800 price tag confirmed. Make xbone great again lol.

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#87 Posted by cainetao11 (36493 posts) -

@crashnburn281 said:

China manipulates currency at a whim. You do not see them as nationalistic? The consoles have to be made there to even be sold. More extreme than a tariff.

What about Japan? Their culture is very nationalistic. They buy Japanese period. Xbox never had a chance. It might not be go ernment driven, but almost their entire population is like that.

Suddenly it's bad when America starts to become nationalistic?

Is it worse when a government becomes like that or a whole population?

Well said. I am not a huge Trump fan, but the idea of trying to make companies produce in the US again has always been something I liked. I'm all for it. Get to the point where an American company hires Americans to make products, like before Nixon opened trade with China. Become more self sufficient again.

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#88 Edited by PurpleMan5000 (9730 posts) -

There is still hope that Trump will replace TPP with something else exactly like it so he can tell us all he got us a better deal, sort of like he appears to be doing with Obamacare. Higher prices are good for nobody.

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#90 Posted by SecretPolice (35078 posts) -

@eliminatorpaige said:

Time to move to Canada.

Don't let that big beautiful door hit you in the butt on your way out... oh wait, wrong border, eh, we may need a wall there as well. lolol :P

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#91 Posted by jcrame10 (5029 posts) -

Trump is cancer so not surprising. All republicans know how to do is raise taxes, cause wars and **** up the lives of the middle class.

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#92 Posted by Solaryellow (4801 posts) -

How do foreign nations address the importing of American made goods? Do these nations place tariffs on our goods like we have been told?

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#93 Edited by lamprey263 (36039 posts) -

Wonder if they'll work around this by doing final assembly here.

I remember I was walking through Walmart or Target, saw a children's bike helmet with the bold claim "Made in the USA" with a big American flag next to that, then there was a little caveat that it was assembled with parts made overseas.

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#94 Posted by Imperator7 (78 posts) -

Yep big business, will find a way around this any way they can. Regardless, tariffs harm the consumer ultimately, you will pay for it.

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#95 Edited by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

**** Trump, this is all Republicans do, make poor people pay more. Damn everything going up in price thanks to these greedy arse old people.

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#96 Posted by pyro1245 (4916 posts) -

Sucks that we can't actually make any of this stuff in the US.

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#97 Posted by Desmonic (19933 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:

@Desmonic:

@Desmonic said:
@ronvalencia said:

Apple's bin shape Mac Pros are assembled in USA. Apple's Mac Pro manufacturing facility is run by Flextronics.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtmarko/2014/07/02/us-tech-manufacturing-gems/#67a00f3e13d4

What Do a Tesla (Motors), (intel) Xeon and (Apple) Mac Pro Have In Common? Tech Products Still Made in the U.S.A

@ronvalencia said:

Apple's Mac Pros are manufactured in USA.

Pick one.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/manufactured

noun

1.

the making of goods or wares by manual labor or by machinery, especially on a large scale:

the manufacture of television sets.

2.

the making or producing of anything; generation:

3.

the thing or material manufactured; product:

Plastic is an important manufacture.

verb (used with object), manufactured, manufacturing.

4.

to make or produce by hand or machinery, especially on a large scale.

5.

to work up (material) into form for use:

to manufacture cotton.

6.

to invent fictitiously; fabricate; concoct:

to manufacture an account of the incident.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/manufacture

1. verb

To manufacture something means to make it in a factory, usually in large quantities.

Thank you for giving me reason :) To manufacture and to assemble are two different things, and while most places eventually do both, it's one thing to say object X is assembled in country Y and another to say object X is manufactured in country Z.

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#98 Posted by Solaryellow (4801 posts) -

@iandizion713 said:

**** Trump, this is all Republicans do, make poor people pay more. Damn everything going up in price thanks to these greedy arse old people.

Someone purchasing a console costing a few hundred dollars or a sixty dollar game is not poor.

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#99 Edited by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@Solaryellow: O he they **** over the middle class too. But yes i am poor. Anyone making under 200k in family income is poor.

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#100 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (9730 posts) -

@pyro1245 said:

Sucks that we can't actually make any of this stuff in the US.

Pretty soon, it will suck that we can't just get cheap stuff from China.