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#1 Ant_17
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I never expected i'll be bringing Trump to SW, but here we are.

https://gamedaily.biz/article/893/trump-administration-25-percent-tariff-proposal-targets-us-board-game-game-console-imports

The Trump administration is escalating the United States’ growing trade war with China, with hobby gaming now caught in the crossfire. A new document published by the Office of the United States Trade Representative lists thousands of goods categories that could be receiving new or revised tariffs in the amount of 25%.

On the list, buried between billiards and Christmas ornaments are a number of categories related to gaming, including video game consoles and machines, coin-operated arcade machines, and parts related to the operation of coin-operated arcade games.

The video game industry has already suffered a 10% tariff that impacts graphics card makers AMD and Nvidia. The Entertainment Software Agency (the lobbying body representing the video game industry) never weighed in publicly on the situation. Since then, the ESA has undergone leadership change, with Stanley Pierre-Louis taking over the president and CEO role after serving in that position on a temporary basis after previous head Mike Gallagher stepped down.

“The video game industry boasts a trade surplus for the American economy,” the organization told GameDaily via email. “Tariffs will hurt the American economy, its industries, and its consumers.”

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"bu bu but free market"

"Bu bu but the left is evil"

"Bu bu but Obama is a communist"

Lol Trump.

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#3 Son-Goku7523
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Wow, what an a**hole. Screw this fat orange bastard and his tariffs.

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#4 Pedro
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"Tariffs are the only way we can get back the money China has stole from us with the trade deficit."

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#5 DaVillain-  Moderator
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Dear President Trump, I'm still waiting for WW3. Like anytime now.

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#6 DragonfireXZ95
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Maybe he'll "make" China pay for the wall next. Not only is he hurting our housing and PC case market with his tariffs on steel and aluminum, but now he's hurting many other markets. China is also retaliating by not buying our crop exports, thus costing farmers millions of dollars. He's such a fucking idiot.

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#7  Edited By Howmakewood
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**** Trump, but on the other hand Id pay more for a console not made in China, because **** China and their bs economics

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#8 lundy86_4
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Not even gonna touch this, but definitely look beyond the usual Trump hate. There's solid reasoning, and it's a strong-arming technique.

Also, I do believe the increased tariffs on imports is older news.

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#9 Son-Goku7523
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@lundy86_4 said:

Not even gonna touch this, but definitely look beyond the usual Trump hate. There's solid reasoning, and it's a strong-arming technique.

Also, I do believe the increased tariffs on imports is older news.

It's not working and we the American consumers are paying for his stupid tariffs.

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#10  Edited By lamprey263
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Fitting this should end up here. I still feel GamerGate was one issue that helped get him elected, since that pedophile Milo at Breitbart was only "news" outlet covering it that didn't paint gamers out to be serial misogynists and thus lured the millennial neckbearded manchildren to the alt-right.

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#11 lundy86_4
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@son-goku7523 said:

It's not working and we the American consumers are paying for his stupid tariffs.

I said that i'm not gonna touch this for a reason. Politics has no place on this board, and I don't think it's an A or B solution.

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@DragonfireXZ95 said:

Maybe he'll "make" China pay for the wall next. Not only is he hurting our housing and PC case market with his tariffs on steel and aluminum, but now he's hurting many other markets. China is also retaliating by not buying our crop exports, thus costing farmers millions of dollars. He's such a fucking idiot.

I totally couldn't agree more. All I know is I need to hurry up and buy Ryzen 2 3700X and call it a day until this whole thing blows. Trump's gotta go on the next Election day.

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#13 Ant_17
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@lundy86_4 said:
@son-goku7523 said:

It's not working and we the American consumers are paying for his stupid tariffs.

I said that i'm not gonna touch this for a reason. Politics has no place on this board, and I don't think it's an A or B solution.

It's gaming related. Politics are coming for us. And why can't you talk? You don't live in the US.

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#14  Edited By BassMan  Online
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@davillain- said:

Dear President Trump, I'm still waiting for WW3. Like anytime now.

It's in Early Access. ;)

https://store.steampowered.com/app/674020/World_War_3/

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#15 Pedro
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@lundy86_4 said:

I said that i'm not gonna touch this for a reason. Politics has no place on this board, and I don't think it's an A or B solution.

Politics are in games and affect what we do as gamers. The idea that it has no place on this board is rather silly.

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@BassMan said:
@davillain- said:

Dear President Trump, I'm still waiting for WW3. Like anytime now.

It's in Early Access. ;)

https://store.steampowered.com/app/674020/World_War_3/

Still in Early Access, crap :(

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#17 getyeryayasout
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Okay.

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#18  Edited By lundy86_4
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@Pedro said:

Politics are in games and affect what we do as gamers. The idea that it has no place on this board is rather silly.

You can take that to the mods, if you'd like. Discussion on political topics (especially as this has gone slightly off-topic already,) isn't conducive to this board.

@Ant_17 said:

It's gaming related. Politics are coming for us. And why can't you talk? You don't live in the US.

It is gaming related. It's also heavily weighted to go off the rails of gaming discussion. Let's be honest.

I won't talk, solely because it's so divisive. I am fairly central if not slightly right-leaning, and I also have an education in Politics.

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#19 Pedro
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@lundy86_4: In this case the current administration is incurring tariffs that will affect the cost of gaming for all parties involved so the thread is game related. ;)

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#20 GoldenElementXL
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So this is what it’s gonna take for Microsoft to win a generation. Trump is a Lem confirmed!

#MakeXboxGreatAgain

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#21 Pedro
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@goldenelementxl said:

So this is what it’s gonna take for Microsoft to win a generation. Trump is a Lem confirmed!

#MakeXboxGreatAgain

Lems are so freaking desperate.

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#22 GoldenElementXL
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@Pedro: Google is popping the champagne tonight. Stadia is starting to look a little bit better every day...

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#23 Evo_nine
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Good move, maybe microsoft and sony will think twice before handing over jobs and ip to china.

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#24 I_P_Daily
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Donald Trump taking another dump, keep this shit in America.

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#25  Edited By lundy86_4
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@Pedro: You can read what I said again, if that'll clear things up for you. There are already deviating posts, and let's be honest, it's gonna get worse.

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#26 Pedro
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@lundy86_4: No clarity is needed. On a side note, its now Gamespot gaming news.

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#27 lundy86_4
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@Pedro: That's cool? Of course it's GS news. Not the issue that I addressed. Anyway, no need to carry this whole thing on.

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This doesn’t really seem to belong here on the System Wars board. Probably best in General Games Discussion or even better on the Political Gamers board.

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#29  Edited By Jag85
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Trump (a.k.a. Orange Man) and Li Jinping (a.k.a. Winnie the Pooh) are both arseholes. I couldn't care less if they destroy each other in this silly trade war... As long as it doesn't affect Europe.

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#30 judaspete
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Glad I already got my Switch.

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I hope it does.

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We have to do a gamer protest so the media and society would take us seriously.

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#34 Ant_17
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@goldenelementxl said:

So this is what it’s gonna take for Microsoft to win a generation. Trump is a Lem confirmed!

#MakeXboxGreatAgain

Damn, he more a butthurt lem than the Sony CEO.

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#35  Edited By warmblur
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Way to own the libs?

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China has been fucking us for years. It is about damn time someone stand up to those scummy bastards!

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#37  Edited By That_Old_Guy
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*walks in....walks out*

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Because of course this was going to happen. Good job to the GG goons that helped put him in office. There was too many wimmens in the vidja games and dammit, Donald Trump was going to do something about it... uh, somehow! This administration has never given a **** about gaming, and threw games under the bus when it came to defending the gun lobby.

@Xabiss said:

China has been fucking us for years. It is about damn time someone stand up to those scummy bastards!

By re-fucking ourselves I guess. Yanking the rug out from under 40 years of being dependent on Chinese manufacturing isn't something that can be cleaned up overnight. And it sure as hell doesn't come without consequence.

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Because of course this was going to happen. Good job to the GG goons that helped put him in office. There was too many wimmens in the vidja games and dammit, Donald Trump was going to do something about it... uh, somehow! This administration has never given a **** about gaming, and threw games under the bus when it came to defending the gun lobby.

@Xabiss said:

China has been fucking us for years. It is about damn time someone stand up to those scummy bastards!

By re-fucking ourselves I guess. Yanking the rug out from under 40 years of being dependent on Chinese manufacturing isn't something that can be cleaned up overnight. And it sure as hell doesn't come without consequence.

TDS prime example of it right here folks. Go cry some more. We already know you are damn good at it.

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Do not believe in cheap labour, good for him.

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Do not believe in cheap labour, good for him.

lol, Trump believes in free labour, that's why he never pays his contractors.

I have nothing against putting China in place, it's s shame that the method will hurt the average Murican more than it will China, after all, the ones importing are the ones paying the higher import taxes. But it sure is good comedy, seeing MAGA idiots happy about being **** over, because they think that "China is going to pay for it".

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Bill Clinton let China into the the world trade organization back in the late 90's. China has been manipulating their currency against ours for years. Our corporations have been giving them our jobs. I saw it in the early 2000's when I worked in tool and die. Having die's made for our stamping industry here costs 10's of thousand of dollars per die. They could have them made in China for a small fraction. One job I worked we started getting die's in with Chinese writing all over the crates. I'm in Michigan and in the mid 2000's I watched entire industrial complex's get wiped out. We lost those jobs to China. I've seen a lot of companies switch to Chinese manufacturing over the years. The one brand of fishing poles I used use to say made in America on them. They went to China. We gave them a large portion of our manufacturing base. The way I see it is if our corporations want to exploit Chinese slave labor maybe the ceo's should go live there. Trump is doing the right thing but it's too little too late. Some of the wealthiest corporations in America exploit Chinese slave labor. Tariffs are the only way to even the playing field with China. I do not like Trump at all but it's about time someone is doing something.

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#45  Edited By ronvalencia
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@Ant_17 said:

I never expected i'll be bringing Trump to SW, but here we are.

https://gamedaily.biz/article/893/trump-administration-25-percent-tariff-proposal-targets-us-board-game-game-console-imports

The Trump administration is escalating the United States’ growing trade war with China, with hobby gaming now caught in the crossfire. A new document published by the Office of the United States Trade Representative lists thousands of goods categories that could be receiving new or revised tariffs in the amount of 25%.

On the list, buried between billiards and Christmas ornaments are a number of categories related to gaming, including video game consoles and machines, coin-operated arcade machines, and parts related to the operation of coin-operated arcade games.

The video game industry has already suffered a 10% tariff that impacts graphics card makers AMD and Nvidia. The Entertainment Software Agency (the lobbying body representing the video game industry) never weighed in publicly on the situation. Since then, the ESA has undergone leadership change, with Stanley Pierre-Louis taking over the president and CEO role after serving in that position on a temporary basis after previous head Mike Gallagher stepped down.

“The video game industry boasts a trade surplus for the American economy,” the organization told GameDaily via email. “Tariffs will hurt the American economy, its industries, and its consumers.”

Significant number of Sony's PS4s are made in Japan.

AMD APUs for PS4 and PS4 Pro are made in Taiwan's TSMC. Trump's adventure has very little effect on PS4.

Move the production to Japan or US allies like South Korea, Philippines, Thailand, eastern Europe and other friendly countries in South America, Vietnam, India and 'etc'.

Anti-China helps American Latinos i.e. America First.

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#46 the_master_race
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@BassMan said:
@davillain- said:

Dear President Trump, I'm still waiting for WW3. Like anytime now.

It's in Early Access. ;)

https://store.steampowered.com/app/674020/World_War_3/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/950740/China_Maos_legacy/

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#47 Sushiglutton
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Let's see how long it lasts. Next year is the important one with new consoles coming out. Right no it feels like it doesn't matter too much.

@rmpumper said:
@Random_Matt said:

Do not believe in cheap labour, good for him.

lol, Trump believes in free labour, that's why he never pays his contractors.

I have nothing against putting China in place, it's s shame that the method will hurt the average Murican more than it will China, after all, the ones importing are the ones paying the higher import taxes. But it sure is good comedy, seeing MAGA idiots happy about being **** over, because they think that "China is going to pay for it".

Just as in any war both sides will pay. If all the cost is dumped on consumers, eventually China will get outcompeted by those not having to pay the tariff. They can't do that and will absorb some of the cost.

But Trump isn't doing the tariffs because he thinks it's good for the economy short term (it's clearly bad). He is doing it because it is the only weapon he has to force the Chinese to open up their markets, respect IPs and stop forced technology transfers. Once those things have been corrected it will be back to free trade and both countries will prosper.

The misstake Trump has made is trying to fix trade relations with everyone at once. He should have focused 100 % on China. That way he could have built an alliance with EU + other partners for maximum pressure.

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Being "A very stable genius" I'm sure Trump has a very good reason. :-S

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#49  Edited By rmpumper  Online
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@Sushiglutton said:
eventually China will get outcompeted by those not having to pay the tariff

And how long will that take? 5-7 years? Do you really think that this trade war will last that long without US caving?

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#50 pelvist
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Apparently, Trump also colluded with the Russians to get into office... Oh wait, it turns out he didn't.