TitanGreatness 2 Coming To You In (Better Than Native) 4K/60FPS; PS4 Pro Not So Much (Updated)

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#401  Edited By QuadKnight
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@Chutebox said:

Ron saying Scorpio has a GPU like 1070, which costs like 500 bucks JUST for the GPU?

Yup, the guy has totally lost it. Him as well as the other crackhead lems in this thread lol.

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#402 Syn_Valence
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Most powerful dynamic 4k video game PAPER WEIGHT ever conceived.

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#403 doomdizzle
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@goldenelementxl said:

I feel like this board didn't care about Titanfall 2 until this thread. I loved the game and tried to hype it all last year, yet System Wars rejected it. Until the Xbox One X was gonna win the resolution war that is, now TF2 is a bullet point?!?!

I feel ya man. Its my favorite MP FPS of the last decade. This thread hurts to read.

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#404  Edited By kuu2
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@quadknight said:
@Chutebox said:

Ron saying Scorpio has a GPU like 1070, which costs like 500 bucks JUST for the GPU?

Yup, the guy has totally lost it. Him as well as the other crackhead lems in this thread lol.

QuackKnitWit always running toward irrelevancy.

Cows are so bent due to having the power advantage snatched away from them.

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#405 QuadKnight
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@kuu2 said:
@quadknight said:
@Chutebox said:

Ron saying Scorpio has a GPU like 1070, which costs like 500 bucks JUST for the GPU?

Yup, the guy has totally lost it. Him as well as the other crackhead lems in this thread lol.

QuackKnitWit always running toward irrelevancy.

Cows are so bent due to having the power advantage snatched away from them.

You've totally lost it. Your thread is a total disaster and you've been owned to hell and back even by the Titanfall 2 devs.

Any normal person would abandon this thread out of shame but since you're a lem and have no shame you continue to embarrass yourself lol.

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#407  Edited By gamecubepad
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@Chutebox said:

Ron saying Scorpio has a GPU like 1070, which costs like 500 bucks JUST for the GPU?

Yes, but you're not accounting for the Nvidia or Ethereum tax. GTX 1070s were going for $350 commonly before that.

The X1X has a more powerful GPU than a RX 580/GTX 1060. You can split hairs all you want, but the tier above those GPUs consists of the Fury/980ti/GTX 1070. People refer to the 1070 because it's the 2nd most popular Pascal GPU. Hence Digital Foundy and Ark Dev, "it's like a PC with GTX 1070".

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#408 QuadKnight
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@kuu2 said:
@quadknight said:
@kuu2 said:
@quadknight said:

Yup, the guy has totally lost it. Him as well as the other crackhead lems in this thread lol.

QuackKnitWit always running toward irrelevancy.

Cows are so bent due to having the power advantage snatched away from them.

You've totally lost it. Your thread is a total disaster and you've been owned to hell and back even by the Titanfall 2 devs.

Any normal person would abandon this thread out of shame but since you're a lem and have no shame you continue to embarrass yourself lol.

QuackKnitWit my thread is amazing.

If you think anything you morons have said holds any weight it just shows your delusion.

Consider you bovine lucky that this thread is doing so well otherwise I would create another 4k/60fps thread about F1.

One X most powerful console ever created.

It's an amazing failure of a thread and you're in denial. Much like how you've been in denial all these years that you were suckered into paying $500 for a 720p console in 2013.

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#409 kuu2
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@quadknight said:
@kuu2 said:
@quadknight said:

You've totally lost it. Your thread is a total disaster and you've been owned to hell and back even by the Titanfall 2 devs.

Any normal person would abandon this thread out of shame but since you're a lem and have no shame you continue to embarrass yourself lol.

QuackKnitWit my thread is amazing.

If you think anything you morons have said holds any weight it just shows your delusion.

Consider you bovine lucky that this thread is doing so well otherwise I would create another 4k/60fps thread about F1.

One X most powerful console ever created.

It's an amazing failure of a thread and you're in denial. Much like how you've been in denial all these years that you were suckered into paying $500 for a 720p console in 2013.

QwackKnitWit this is funny coming from Cows who bought goggles and glowing mariachis for $300.

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#410  Edited By QuadKnight
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@kuu2 said:
@quadknight said:
@kuu2 said:
@quadknight said:

You've totally lost it. Your thread is a total disaster and you've been owned to hell and back even by the Titanfall 2 devs.

Any normal person would abandon this thread out of shame but since you're a lem and have no shame you continue to embarrass yourself lol.

QuackKnitWit my thread is amazing.

If you think anything you morons have said holds any weight it just shows your delusion.

Consider you bovine lucky that this thread is doing so well otherwise I would create another 4k/60fps thread about F1.

One X most powerful console ever created.

It's an amazing failure of a thread and you're in denial. Much like how you've been in denial all these years that you were suckered into paying $500 for a 720p console in 2013.

QwackKnitWit this is funny coming from Cows who bought goggles and glowing mariachis for $300.

It works exactly as advertised. Gives you a quality VR experience for much less than the $800 Vive. Still getting more exclusives this year than Bone has gotten the entire gen.

Too bad the Bone was overpriced piece of shit parading as a 1080p machine in 2013. $500 for Kinect 2.0 that was dropped and abandoned within the first month of launch lol.

How did cloud power and DX12 work out for you lem? 3 and a half years of bullshit promises that never came true and you're about to throw $500 again on a FauxK paper weight.

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#411  Edited By ronvalencia
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@gamecubepad said:
@Chutebox said:

Ron saying Scorpio has a GPU like 1070, which costs like 500 bucks JUST for the GPU?

Yes, but you're not accounting for the Nvidia or Ethereum tax. GTX 1070s were going for $350 commonly before that.

The X1X has a more powerful GPU than a RX 580/GTX 1060. You can split hairs all you want, but the tier above those GPUs consists of the Fury/980ti/GTX 1070. People refer to the 1070 because it's the 2nd most popular Pascal GPU. Hence Digital Foundy and Ark Dev, "it's like a PC with GTX 1070".

GTX 1070 is just part of the next level GPU group above memory bandwidth gimped RX-580 and ancient Hawaii GCN based R9-390X.

Next level GPU group above RX-580 and R9-390X are the GTX 980 Ti, Fury X and GTX 1070.

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#412 Chutebox
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@gamecubepad said:
@Chutebox said:

Ron saying Scorpio has a GPU like 1070, which costs like 500 bucks JUST for the GPU?

Yes, but you're not accounting for the Nvidia or Ethereum tax. GTX 1070s were going for $350 commonly before that.

The X1X has a more powerful GPU than a RX 580/GTX 1060. You can split hairs all you want, but the tier above those GPUs consists of the Fury/980ti/GTX 1070. People refer to the 1070 because it's the 2nd most popular Pascal GPU. Hence Digital Foundy and Ark Dev, "it's like a PC with GTX 1070".

Ok, but 350 bones would still be too much for a console in which MS says they're breaking even on.

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#413  Edited By ronvalencia
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@Chutebox said:

Ron saying Scorpio has a GPU like 1070, which costs like 500 bucks JUST for the GPU?

BOM cost for GTX 1070 is similar to RX-480 i.e. the same 256 bit GDDR5-8000 setup, similar PCB with 256 bit GDDR5 bus design and GP104 chip is only 36 bit percent larger area size than Polaris 10's 232 mm2.

NVIDIA has large profits from thier PC GPU sales while AMD is barely making profits from it.

In the long term, AMD GCN is superior to NVIDIA Kepler GPUs, but majority of PC news media (and some software PC game companies) are against AMD. AMD couldn't obtain significant profits from the GPU business. AMD's RTG (Radeon Technology Group) is bleeding personnel to Apple, Qualcomm, Intel and 'etc'.

This is why AMD has less focus on PC GPUs i.e. AMD has nearly exited from high end PC GPUs. If PC industry wants/bias towards NVIDIA, then so be it, PC industry gets near monopoly PC GPU market. I have done my small contribution to support AMD.

NVIDIA can charge near BOM cost RX-480 GPU card aka GTX 1070 at any price. PC dGPU consumer market is not healthy. If Vega 10 fails, we may see a real monopoly in PC dGPU market. Nvidia is the new SGI who can charge for very high GPU prices.

If AMD goes bankrupt, the US Government will be knocking on Intel and nVidias door, because they will be considered monopolies.

Both Sony and MS game console sales are barely making any profits for AMD.

AMD's reestablishing a separate ATI aka RTG is for worst case scenario.

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#414  Edited By ronvalencia
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@pinkanimal said:
@EG101 said:
@pinkanimal said:
@EG101 said:

LOL.

The difference is huge.

Higher Resolution Textures, higher resolutions, Higher settings and Higher Framerates all at the same time is a MASSIVE difference.

43% difference with the Pro which is pretty small actually. For comparison the difference between the PS4 and the PS4 Pro is of 128%.

LOL at down playing the difference between Scorpio and Pro. It's a 43% difference in GPU which equals a 1.8 Teraflop difference in GPU ALONE. There's a 50% Bandwidth difference (over 100GBS difference), a 50% difference in Ram (12 vs 8 Gigs and the reason Scorpio can support 4K textures), Plus a variety of CPU improvements.

The XB1X is in a different Class than the PS4 Pro plain and simple.

The overall difference will be held back by the weaker component. It's not cumulative. So expect a difference less significant than between the PS4 and the PS4 Pro. lol

Higher TFLOPS = less render time.

Higher memory bandwidth = less render time. This factor is dependent on higher TFLOPS i.e. math result needs to completed in a timely manner for memory write to occur.

Less design latency or less design bottlenecks = less render time.

Less render time impacts the operation time within the 16.6 ms (for 60 fps) and 33.3 ms (for 30 fps) render time targets.

http://gamingbolt.com/project-cars-dev-ps4-single-core-speed-slower-than-high-end-pc-splitting-renderer-across-threads-challenging

On PS4, GPU command list building on a single Jaguar core at 1.6 Ghz takes 8-12 ms, they need to use 4 Jaguar CPU cores at 1.6 Ghz to reach 2 to 3 ms render time.

On PC, GPU command list building on a single fast Intel CPU core takes 2 to 3 ms.

The target render time is 16.6 ms for 60 fps results.

13 ms GPU budget + 12 ms single core CPU at 1.6 Ghz budget = 25 ms, hence landing on 40 fps.

13 ms GPU budget + 3 ms quad core CPU at 1.6 Ghz budget = 16 ms, hence landing on ~60 fps.

For GPU command list building, XBO's custom DirectX12 command processor can reduce CPU workload up to a half.

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#415  Edited By gamecubepad
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@Chutebox:

To add to Ron's statement, $350 is the retail end price. Certainly when you account for economy of scale the pricing changes.

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You also need to consider that Polaris is actually a potent architecture when memory bottlenecks are addressed. Most if not all RX 480/580s bottleneck at 2100MHz mem(268GB/s). Although 2250MHz mem is max OC, performance actually degrades. Effective memory bandwidth is even worse in my experience. X1X has 326GB/s mem bandwidth.

If X1X has Vega's pixel engine to L2 direct access paired with 326GB/s mem bandwidth it would basically be a 6TF GTX 1070. Regardless, MS has signaled they've made alterations to the standard Polaris memory config.

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#416  Edited By ronvalencia
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@gamecubepad said:

@Chutebox:

To add to Ron's statement, $350 is the retail end price. Certainly when you account for economy of scale the pricing changes.

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You also need to consider that Polaris is actually a potent architecture when memory bottlenecks are addressed. Most if not all RX 480/580s bottleneck at 2100MHz mem(268GB/s). Although 2250MHz mem is max OC, performance actually degrades. Effective memory bandwidth is even worse in my experience. X1X has 326GB/s mem bandwidth.

If X1X has Vega's pixel engine to L2 direct access paired with 326GB/s mem bandwidth it would basically be a 6TF GTX 1070. Regardless, MS has signaled they've made alterations to the standard Polaris memory config.

Just to add..

Polaris 10's DCC engines are designed for 256 GB/s memory controllers and it was mentioned in AMD's marketing slides. Overclocking the memory controllers wouldn't resolve DCC engine bottleneck.

MS/AMD glued more DCC engines and memory controllers for X1X.

60 deep graphics pipeline changes was done for X1X. The key word is "graphics" within the "graphics pipeline" aka.. Pixel Engine path.

For PS4 Pro, Sony focused on Vega NCU instead.

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#417  Edited By gamecubepad
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@ronvalencia:

Agreed.

More perspective. Ethereum mining with Genoil a stock GTX 1070 hits 25MH/s(31MH/s OC) while a stock RX 480/580 hits the same 25MH/s(29MH/s mod bios+OC). The same mem overclocks on a GTX 1060 that results in ~10% performance increase over RX 580 in games, only gets the GTX 1060 to 23MH/s.

I'm no programmer, but it's obvious when a processing load designed for games hits the RX 480/580 there is a bottleneck putting the clamps on the raw TFLOPS. Ark, Gears, and Forza all show this. RX 580 and GTX 1060 get buried on Forza by the X1X.

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#418  Edited By ronvalencia
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@gamecubepad said:

@ronvalencia:

Agreed.

More perspective. Ethereum mining with Genoil a stock GTX 1070 hits 25MH/s(31MH/s OC) while a stock RX 480/580 hits the same 25MH/s(29MH/s mod bios+OC). The same mem overclocks on a GTX 1060 that results in ~10% performance increase over RX 580 only gets the GTX 1060 to 23MH/s.

I'm no programmer, but it's obvious when a processing load designed for games hits the RX 480/580 there is a bottleneck putting the clamps on the raw TFLOPS. Ark, Gears, and Forza all show this. RX 580 and GTX 1060 get buried on Forza by the X1X.

For graphics operations, GTX 1070 enables DCC (delta color compression) and beats RX 480/580.

On pure GpGPU without graphics hardware being active, it's raw ALU and uncompressed memory bandwidth wins the day.

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#419 pdogg93
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@kuu2 said:
@quadknight said:
@kuu2 said:
@quadknight said:

You've totally lost it. Your thread is a total disaster and you've been owned to hell and back even by the Titanfall 2 devs.

Any normal person would abandon this thread out of shame but since you're a lem and have no shame you continue to embarrass yourself lol.

QuackKnitWit my thread is amazing.

If you think anything you morons have said holds any weight it just shows your delusion.

Consider you bovine lucky that this thread is doing so well otherwise I would create another 4k/60fps thread about F1.

One X most powerful console ever created.

It's an amazing failure of a thread and you're in denial. Much like how you've been in denial all these years that you were suckered into paying $500 for a 720p console in 2013.

QwackKnitWit this is funny coming from Cows who bought goggles and glowing mariachis for $300.

can't wait to see how much of a boner you get once MS announces its VR. Lems are the biggest butthurt hypocrites among gamers bar none. PS4 owners have been enjoying the best versions of multiplats, and best exclusives for almost 4 years now. On top of that, they have full fledged VR with more impressive titles than anything on the bone. We understand that XboxoneX is the console that will slow the bleeding for you losers, but please bro, just wait until the damn thing is released along with the games. Save yourself another stretch of potential embarrassment.

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@pdogg93: Butthurt hypocrites? Wonder what that makes hardcore cows...lmfao

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#421 ronvalencia
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@quadknight said:
@Chutebox said:

Ron saying Scorpio has a GPU like 1070, which costs like 500 bucks JUST for the GPU?

Yup, the guy has totally lost it. Him as well as the other crackhead lems in this thread lol.

http://gamingbolt.com/f1-2017-already-running-at-4k60fps-with-hdr-on-xbox-one-x-features-numerous-graphical-enhancements

Xbox One X's F1 2017 already has 4K and 60 fps.

GamingBolt spoke to creative director Lee Mather at E3 2017 and he replied, “So, we are already running on Xbox One X over in the Microsoft stand. So that’s here this year already. It’s already running at 4K and 60 frames per second with HDR enabled. It’s still early days with that build but we’ve already started to turn up some of the features.”

We’re going to see how far we can get to being close to a high spec PC. We’ve increased the fidelity of the mirrors, so they run a higher frame rate and higher detail. Shadows can be better. Reflections can be better. See, it’s still early days for that one. But we are already running on it, and it’s here at the show.”

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#422  Edited By QuadKnight
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@ronvalencia said:
@quadknight said:
@Chutebox said:

Ron saying Scorpio has a GPU like 1070, which costs like 500 bucks JUST for the GPU?

Yup, the guy has totally lost it. Him as well as the other crackhead lems in this thread lol.

http://gamingbolt.com/f1-2017-already-running-at-4k60fps-with-hdr-on-xbox-one-x-features-numerous-graphical-enhancements

Xbox One X's F1 2017 already has 4K and 60 fps.

GamingBolt spoke to creative director Lee Mather at E3 2017 and he replied, “So, we are already running on Xbox One X over in the Microsoft stand. So that’s here this year already. It’s already running at 4K and 60 frames per second with HDR enabled. It’s still early days with that build but we’ve already started to turn up some of the features.”

We’re going to see how far we can get to being close to a high spec PC. We’ve increased the fidelity of the mirrors, so they run a higher frame rate and higher detail. Shadows can be better. Reflections can be better. See, it’s still early days for that one. But we are already running on it, and it’s here at the show.”

Nowhere in that quote of yours does it say the XboneX is a GTX 1070 equivalent. They don't even mention the GTX 1070.

Go home Ron, you're drunk.

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#424 QuadKnight
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@ronvalencia said:
@quadknight said:
@ronvalencia said:
@quadknight said:

Yup, the guy has totally lost it. Him as well as the other crackhead lems in this thread lol.

http://gamingbolt.com/f1-2017-already-running-at-4k60fps-with-hdr-on-xbox-one-x-features-numerous-graphical-enhancements

Xbox One X's F1 2017 already has 4K and 60 fps.

GamingBolt spoke to creative director Lee Mather at E3 2017 and he replied, “So, we are already running on Xbox One X over in the Microsoft stand. So that’s here this year already. It’s already running at 4K and 60 frames per second with HDR enabled. It’s still early days with that build but we’ve already started to turn up some of the features.”

We’re going to see how far we can get to being close to a high spec PC. We’ve increased the fidelity of the mirrors, so they run a higher frame rate and higher detail. Shadows can be better. Reflections can be better. See, it’s still early days for that one. But we are already running on it, and it’s here at the show.”

Nowhere in that quote of yours does it say the XboneX is a GTX 1070 equivalent. They don't even mention the GTX 1070.

Go home Ron, you're drunk.

Anyone who played F1 2016 at 4K knows this game needs a GPU beyond R9-390X and RX-580.

Go home quackmcknight, Your're stupid.

^ ^ What a meltdown.

Anyone who has seen Destiny 2 knows that a high end PC would run it higher than 30fps.

It sounds like you're the idiot. Stop being a robotic fanboy and use your brain clown.

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#425  Edited By PinkAnimal
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@ronvalencia said:
@quadknight said:
@ronvalencia said:
@quadknight said:

Yup, the guy has totally lost it. Him as well as the other crackhead lems in this thread lol.

http://gamingbolt.com/f1-2017-already-running-at-4k60fps-with-hdr-on-xbox-one-x-features-numerous-graphical-enhancements

Xbox One X's F1 2017 already has 4K and 60 fps.

GamingBolt spoke to creative director Lee Mather at E3 2017 and he replied, “So, we are already running on Xbox One X over in the Microsoft stand. So that’s here this year already. It’s already running at 4K and 60 frames per second with HDR enabled. It’s still early days with that build but we’ve already started to turn up some of the features.”

We’re going to see how far we can get to being close to a high spec PC. We’ve increased the fidelity of the mirrors, so they run a higher frame rate and higher detail. Shadows can be better. Reflections can be better. See, it’s still early days for that one. But we are already running on it, and it’s here at the show.”

Nowhere in that quote of yours does it say the XboneX is a GTX 1070 equivalent. They don't even mention the GTX 1070.

Go home Ron, you're drunk.

Anyone who played F1 2016 at 4K knows this game needs a GPU beyond R9-390X and RX-580.

Go home quackmcknight, Your're stupid.

Checkerboard 4k, dynamic 4k? They only mention that they want to see how far they can go not that it is equivalent to a 1070. You really should learn to read and stop assuming so much stuff, drunk ronbot.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/f1-2017-release-date-gameplay-preorder-news-cars-codemasters-trailer

"Graphics: F1 2017 will be optimised for both PS4 Pro and Xbox One X running at 60fps in 4K"

I guess the PS4 is also a 1070 lol. You're a dumbass

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@pinkanimal: So what if the PS4 Pro version of F1 2017 can only upscale from 1440p/1800p with typical console level graphics while the Xbox One X version can hit native 4K but occasionally scales back for the most extreme cases and also has increased graphical features beyond hitting 4K (as mentioned in the article).. Do you think that's the same thing?..

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#427 PinkAnimal
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@Antwan3K said:

@pinkanimal: So what if the PS4 Pro version of F1 2017 can only upscale from 1440p/1800p with typical console level graphics while the Xbox One X version can hit native 4K but occasionally scales back for the most extreme cases and also has increased graphical features beyond hitting 4K (as mentioned in the article).. Do you think that's the same thing?..

First, we don't know that yet because the game hasn't released. Second, if it is the case, for all practical purposes it is the same thing. Like DF said, the differences between checkerboard 4k and native are so small that you would have to go a few feet near the tv to actually notice them. So no sane person will pay $100 more to stand 2 feet away from the tv and go blind.

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#428  Edited By mowgly1
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@Chutebox said:

Ron saying Scorpio has a GPU like 1070, which costs like 500 bucks JUST for the GPU?

Nvidia's FLOPS are much greater compared to AMD's FLOPS. Better to say performance per watt. But put Xbonex 6TF in the same league as GTX 1070 so fu***** laughable. But you know, Xbone fans still live in the clouds. One day they will be put to the ground and it will be a rude awakening. And it's already happened in some way when 499 is announced, then a crappy Jaguar inside XboneX, then first non 4k titles are announced too.

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#429  Edited By rrjim1
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@pinkanimal said:
@Antwan3K said:

@pinkanimal: So what if the PS4 Pro version of F1 2017 can only upscale from 1440p/1800p with typical console level graphics while the Xbox One X version can hit native 4K but occasionally scales back for the most extreme cases and also has increased graphical features beyond hitting 4K (as mentioned in the article).. Do you think that's the same thing?..

First, we don't know that yet because the game hasn't released. Second, if it is the case, for all practical purposes it is the same thing. Like DF said, the differences between checkerboard 4k and native are so small that you would have to go a few feet near the tv to actually notice them. So no sane person will pay $100 more to stand 2 feet away from the tv and go blind.

No sane person would have purchased a PS4 Pro in the first place! The X1X will also have faster load times and will be able to keep FPS at max way better than the PS4 Pro. I'll put my money on the X1X.

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#430 kuu2
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@pdogg93 said:
@kuu2 said:
@quadknight said:
@kuu2 said:
@quadknight said:

You've totally lost it. Your thread is a total disaster and you've been owned to hell and back even by the Titanfall 2 devs.

Any normal person would abandon this thread out of shame but since you're a lem and have no shame you continue to embarrass yourself lol.

QuackKnitWit my thread is amazing.

If you think anything you morons have said holds any weight it just shows your delusion.

Consider you bovine lucky that this thread is doing so well otherwise I would create another 4k/60fps thread about F1.

One X most powerful console ever created.

It's an amazing failure of a thread and you're in denial. Much like how you've been in denial all these years that you were suckered into paying $500 for a 720p console in 2013.

QwackKnitWit this is funny coming from Cows who bought goggles and glowing mariachis for $300.

can't wait to see how much of a boner you get once MS announces its VR. Lems are the biggest butthurt hypocrites among gamers bar none. PS4 owners have been enjoying the best versions of multiplats, and best exclusives for almost 4 years now. On top of that, they have full fledged VR with more impressive titles than anything on the bone. We understand that XboxoneX is the console that will slow the bleeding for you losers, but please bro, just wait until the damn thing is released along with the games. Save yourself another stretch of potential embarrassment.

Um no...............

I hate VR and its well documented here.

I do like AR which is pretty cool and collaborative.

And your post comes off as angry which makes me think you are salty because the power advantage got snatched away from you.

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#431 lilhurk1985187
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@dalger21: You $ony Ponies did it with P$4Pro.

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#432 pdogg93
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@kuu2: I'm not angry at all. PS4 players have enjoyed the power advantage for almost 4 years in addition to VR. I'm personally stoked for x1x, but people like you give lems a bad name. You've been beat down for so long, and ms finally gives you a bit of rope and you all wanna climb up at the same time. Its cringey and embarrassing.

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#433  Edited By Antwan3K
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@pinkanimal: Gotcha.. Since you think there's no difference between upscaled 4K and native 4K, what was your opinion this entire gen concerning upscaled 1080p versus native 1080p?..

Also, that's just talking about resolution.. Do you think typical console-level settings for games look the same as the High/Ultra settings on PC?..

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#434 Xabiss
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Wow the cow ass hurt is still in full effect in this thread. Must suck to be a fanboy!

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#435 kuu2
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@pdogg93: Oh yes the thread is so embarrassing and cringey.

TitanGreatness 2 the game Cows made fun of for reso all of a sudden runs in 4k+ and 60fps on The One X and is FauxK on the Pro.

Super embarrassing and cringey bro.

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#436 nomadic8280
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Just when I thought I wasn't interested in getting an X1X at launch. I love this game, and I *might* have a 4K tv by then...dammit...

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#437 ronvalencia
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@pinkanimal said:
@ronvalencia said:
@quadknight said:
@ronvalencia said:
@quadknight said:

Yup, the guy has totally lost it. Him as well as the other crackhead lems in this thread lol.

http://gamingbolt.com/f1-2017-already-running-at-4k60fps-with-hdr-on-xbox-one-x-features-numerous-graphical-enhancements

Xbox One X's F1 2017 already has 4K and 60 fps.

GamingBolt spoke to creative director Lee Mather at E3 2017 and he replied, “So, we are already running on Xbox One X over in the Microsoft stand. So that’s here this year already. It’s already running at 4K and 60 frames per second with HDR enabled. It’s still early days with that build but we’ve already started to turn up some of the features.”

We’re going to see how far we can get to being close to a high spec PC. We’ve increased the fidelity of the mirrors, so they run a higher frame rate and higher detail. Shadows can be better. Reflections can be better. See, it’s still early days for that one. But we are already running on it, and it’s here at the show.”

Nowhere in that quote of yours does it say the XboneX is a GTX 1070 equivalent. They don't even mention the GTX 1070.

Go home Ron, you're drunk.

Anyone who played F1 2016 at 4K knows this game needs a GPU beyond R9-390X and RX-580.

Go home quackmcknight, Your're stupid.

Checkerboard 4k, dynamic 4k? They only mention that they want to see how far they can go not that it is equivalent to a 1070. You really should learn to read and stop assuming so much stuff, drunk ronbot.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/f1-2017-release-date-gameplay-preorder-news-cars-codemasters-trailer

"Graphics: F1 2017 will be optimised for both PS4 Pro and Xbox One X running at 60fps in 4K"

I guess the PS4 is also a 1070 lol. You're a dumbass

Not a primary codemaster stated source. The trustedreview's article has to be verified. I have contacted both codemaster UK and trustedreview article's author for verification.

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#438 fyron256
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@Antwan3K:

@pinkanimal: Gotcha.. Since you think there's no difference between upscaled 4K and native 4K, what was your opinion this entire gen concerning upscaled 1080p versus native 1080p?..

Also, that's just talking about resolution.. Do you think typical console-level settings for games look the same as the High/Ultra settings on PC?

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OWNED.

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#439 PinkAnimal
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@ronvalencia: lol says the bot who keeps insisting that FFXIV crossplay is Sony's fault because of what a journalist says.

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#440 PinkAnimal
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@Antwan3K: I didn't say there's no difference, I said there's no difference for practical purposes, learn to read. Of course some stuff is going to be better on the X1X, afterall it's more expensive, has better tech and released 1 year later but those differences are going to be so small that they won't be noticeable except from a few feet from the TV like DF claimed. I predict that this will be there case for like 90% of the games.

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#441 deactivated-5a30e101a977c
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@pinkanimal said:

@Antwan3K: I didn't say there's no difference, I said there's no difference for practical purposes, learn to read. Of course some stuff is going to be better on the X1X, afterall it's more expensive, has better tech and released 1 year later but those differences are going to be so small that they won't be noticeable except from a few feet from the TV like DF claimed. I predict that this will be there case for like 90% of the games.

Where did they claim that?

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#442  Edited By ronvalencia
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@pinkanimal said:

@ronvalencia: lol says the bot who keeps insisting that FFXIV crossplay is Sony's fault because of what a journalist says.

There's no problems with

1. XBO and PC crossplay.

2. PS4 and PC crossplay.

3. XBO, Switch and PC crossplay.

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#443  Edited By ronvalencia
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@mowgly1 said:
@Chutebox said:

Ron saying Scorpio has a GPU like 1070, which costs like 500 bucks JUST for the GPU?

Nvidia's FLOPS are much greater compared to AMD's FLOPS. Better to say performance per watt. But put Xbonex 6TF in the same league as GTX 1070 so fu***** laughable. But you know, Xbone fans still live in the clouds. One day they will be put to the ground and it will be a rude awakening. And it's already happened in some way when 499 is announced, then a crappy Jaguar inside XboneX, then first non 4k titles are announced too.

You can compare FLOPS only under specific conditions.

AMD's TFLOPS is not the problem i.e. the graphics hardware around shader TFLOPS is bottle-necking the GPU.

Without using the graphics pipeline hardware, basic AMD FLOPS and basic NVIDIA FLOPS are similar.

With Ethereum mining, RX-480 and GTX 1070 mining rates are similar. Ethereum mining uses pure GpGPU and uncompressed memory bandwidth.

Due to graphics pipeline bottlenecks, current AMD GPUs couldn't translate thier TFLOPS power into Pixel Engine pushing.

For example,

I own MSI R9-390X and X1X is doing something beyond my old MSI R9-390X.

Most X1X skeptics doesn't own R9-390X and RX-480 OC/RX-580.

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#444  Edited By ronvalencia
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@quadknight said:
@ronvalencia said:

Anyone who played F1 2016 at 4K knows this game needs a GPU beyond R9-390X and RX-580.

Go home quackmcknight, Your're stupid.

^ ^ What a meltdown.

Anyone who has seen Destiny 2 knows that a high end PC would run it higher than 30fps.

It sounds like you're the idiot. Stop being a robotic fanboy and use your brain clown.

Define this "high end PC".

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#445  Edited By PinkAnimal
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@ronvalencia said:
@pinkanimal said:

@ronvalencia: lol says the bot who keeps insisting that FFXIV crossplay is Sony's fault because of what a journalist says.

There's no problems with

1. XBO and PC crossplay.

2. PS4 and PC crossplay.

3. XBO, Switch and PC crossplay.

So why isn't there FFXIV crossplay between XBO, Switch and PC? Yoshida said it himself that the problem for crossplay was Microsoft's regulations so stop talking crap, you don't know more than the director of the game.

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#446  Edited By PinkAnimal
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@FastRobby said:
@pinkanimal said:

@Antwan3K: I didn't say there's no difference, I said there's no difference for practical purposes, learn to read. Of course some stuff is going to be better on the X1X, afterall it's more expensive, has better tech and released 1 year later but those differences are going to be so small that they won't be noticeable except from a few feet from the TV like DF claimed. I predict that this will be there case for like 90% of the games.

Where did they claim that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x95A07j6mLI

Around 50 seconds in

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#447 Antwan3K
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@pinkanimal: So without DF and "being a few feet away from the TV", how noticeable was the difference between upscaled 1080p on Xbox One and native 1080p on PS4 for this entire generation?..

Also, that's just talking about resolution.. Do you think typical console-level settings for games look the same as the High/Ultra settings seen on PCs?

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#448 PinkAnimal
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@Antwan3K said:

@pinkanimal: So without DF and "being a few feet away from the TV", how noticeable was the difference between upscaled 1080p on Xbox One and native 1080p on PS4 for this entire generation?..

Also, that's just talking about resolution.. Do you think typical console-level settings for games look the same as the High/Ultra settings seen on PCs?

The difference in power between the originals, PS4 and X1 was around 40% so it is a pretty similar difference between the Pro and the X1X which sits at around 43%. So the differences will be pretty cosmetic and not very noticeable in the majority of games and for the majority of gamers unless you put both versions running side to side. Another factor that will probably make the difference even less significant is that developers won't spend too much time optimizing the games for either console because they sell significantly lower than their weaker counterparts. They will probably try to create a version that adapts easily but also good enough to both machines.

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#449 ronvalencia
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@pinkanimal said:
@ronvalencia said:
@pinkanimal said:

@ronvalencia: lol says the bot who keeps insisting that FFXIV crossplay is Sony's fault because of what a journalist says.

There's no problems with

1. XBO and PC crossplay.

2. PS4 and PC crossplay.

3. XBO, Switch and PC crossplay.

So why isn't there FFXIV crossplay between XBO, Switch and PC? Yoshida said it himself that the problem for crossplay was Microsoft's regulations so stop talking crap, you don't know more than the director of the game.

Other games has

1. XBO and PC crossplay

2. PS4 and PC crossplay.

3. XBO, Switch and PC crossplay.

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#450 PinkAnimal
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@ronvalencia said:
@pinkanimal said:
@ronvalencia said:
@pinkanimal said:

@ronvalencia: lol says the bot who keeps insisting that FFXIV crossplay is Sony's fault because of what a journalist says.

There's no problems with

1. XBO and PC crossplay.

2. PS4 and PC crossplay.

3. XBO, Switch and PC crossplay.

So why isn't there FFXIV crossplay between XBO, Switch and PC? Yoshida said it himself that the problem for crossplay was Microsoft's regulations so stop talking crap, you don't know more than the director of the game.

Other games has

1. XBO and PC crossplay

2. PS4 and PC crossplay.

3. XBO, Switch and PC crossplay.

That doesn't answer the question. Why is there no XBO, Switch, PC crossplay version of FFXIV? Sony can do nothing to impede such a version.