Thoughts on the next box and backward compatibility?

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#1 Posted by casharmy (9388 posts) -

On the positive side of things I personally think 720 will be BC, it just makes  sense since it's basically a straight up PC anyway however...

Another thought crossed my mind, it will be alot worse for xbox fans if next box is not BC compaired to PS4.  Why?  Because of XBL!!!!  If MS next console ISN'T BC lemmings will get double milked by having to pay twice to play the other portion of games they bought for 360 last gen...

thoughts?

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#2 Posted by Heil68 (57942 posts) -
I cant see it not being, but Ms is a greedy self focused company, who knows.
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#3 Posted by clyde46 (49050 posts) -
MS wont lose a lot of market share if the blocked used games. That being said, I don't care. This isn't 2005 where XBL was still in its infancy and all people did was play Halo 2 on their 360's.
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#4 Posted by Speedzilla (1732 posts) -

Kinda a useless feature for the lemmings imo. No games and all.

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#5 Posted by Neon_Noir (1466 posts) -
It will be flawless. GOAT console incoming.
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#6 Posted by casharmy (9388 posts) -

MS wont lose a lot of market share if the blocked used games. That being said, I don't care. This isn't 2005 where XBL was still in its infancy and all people did was play Halo 2 on their 360's. clyde46
This isn't even about blocking used games, I'm strictly talking about Backward compatibility here. 

Like I said, I do believe next box will have BC...lol but if it dosen't MS really will screww fans who bought the last console because both units would require premium subscriptions to play games online.  I just wondered if anyone else has thought about this.

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#7 Posted by Cali3350 (16134 posts) -

 I can pretty much guarentee it wont be BC.  Power PC to X86 is possible to emulate but there is no way to guarentee performance, and I dont believe the Jaguar chip Microsoft is using will have the power to fully emulate the chip in all circumstances.

 

Much like Sony, Microsoft is forced out of BC due to the hardware they have chosen.  

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#8 Posted by soulitane (15087 posts) -
They're greedy, so I think like Sony they'll want to sell you those old games again, so I don't think it will be.
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#9 Posted by KarateeeChop (4666 posts) -

Because of XBL!!!!  If MS next console ISN'T BC lemmings will get double milked by having to pay twice to play the other portion of games they bought for 360 last gen...

casharmy

are you saying there's an xbl fee per console? :lol:

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#10 Posted by clyde46 (49050 posts) -

[QUOTE="clyde46"]MS wont lose a lot of market share if the blocked used games. That being said, I don't care. This isn't 2005 where XBL was still in its infancy and all people did was play Halo 2 on their 360's. casharmy

This isn't even about blocking used games, I'm strictly talking about Backward compatibility here. 

Like I said, I do believe next box will have BC...lol but if it dosen't MS really will screww fans who bought the last console because both units would require premium subscriptions to play games online.  I just wondered if anyone else has thought about this.

Reading back, I derped when I put used games. I meant to write BC.
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#11 Posted by darkspineslayer (22399 posts) -
Lacking BC =/= needing a different account on the new console. And having to take it up the a** twice for online. I imagine same account, one subscription. Or I would hope anyways. Either way, given the treatment of BC to the original Xbox, It dosn't seem like it's even been a priority.
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#12 Posted by casharmy (9388 posts) -

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

Because of XBL!!!!  If MS next console ISN'T BC lemmings will get double milked by having to pay twice to play the other portion of games they bought for 360 last gen...

KarateeeChop

are you saying there's an xbl fee per console? :lol:

lol, boy you really are stupid aren't you.  Sure guy....that's what I was saying..sure

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#13 Posted by Speedzilla (1732 posts) -

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

Because of XBL!!!!  If MS next console ISN'T BC lemmings will get double milked by having to pay twice to play the other portion of games they bought for 360 last gen...

casharmy

are you saying there's an xbl fee per console? :lol:

lol, boy you really are stupid aren't you.  Sure guy....that's what I was sayihng..sure

It's best just to ignore the village idiot (Karateechop).

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#14 Posted by casharmy (9388 posts) -

Lacking BC =/= needing a different account on the new console. And having to take it up the a** twice for online. I imagine same account, one subscription. Or I would hope anyways. Either way, given the treatment of BC to the original Xbox, It dosn't seem like it's even been a priority.darkspineslayer
I guess that is the question then...will you XBL account for xbox360 cross over to the next platform.

Throw me a bone here cause I'm not sure, can anyone tell me if people's account from the original xbox cross over to xbox360 when it launced?

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#15 Posted by vaderhater (3972 posts) -

[QUOTE="clyde46"]MS wont lose a lot of market share if the blocked used games. That being said, I don't care. This isn't 2005 where XBL was still in its infancy and all people did was play Halo 2 on their 360's. casharmy

This isn't even about blocking used games, I'm strictly talking about Backward compatibility here. 

Like I said, I do believe next box will have BC...lol but if it dosen't MS really will screww fans who bought the last console because both units would require premium subscriptions to play games online.  I just wondered if anyone else has thought about this.

So no one bought any download games from PSN as well?

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#16 Posted by vaderhater (3972 posts) -

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]Lacking BC =/= needing a different account on the new console. And having to take it up the a** twice for online. I imagine same account, one subscription. Or I would hope anyways. Either way, given the treatment of BC to the original Xbox, It dosn't seem like it's even been a priority.casharmy

I guess that is the question then...will you XBL account for xbox360 cross over to the next platform.

Throw me a bone here cause I'm not sure, can anyone tell me if people's account from the original xbox cross over to xbox360 when it launced?

Yes it crossed over

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#17 Posted by soulitane (15087 posts) -

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]Lacking BC =/= needing a different account on the new console. And having to take it up the a** twice for online. I imagine same account, one subscription. Or I would hope anyways. Either way, given the treatment of BC to the original Xbox, It dosn't seem like it's even been a priority.casharmy

I guess that is the question then...will you XBL account for xbox360 cross over to the next platform.

Throw me a bone here cause I'm not sure, can anyone tell me if people's account from the original xbox cross over to xbox360 when it launced?

I'm pretty sure that it did.
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#19 Posted by casharmy (9388 posts) -

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]Lacking BC =/= needing a different account on the new console. And having to take it up the a** twice for online. I imagine same account, one subscription. Or I would hope anyways. Either way, given the treatment of BC to the original Xbox, It dosn't seem like it's even been a priority.soulitane

I guess that is the question then...will you XBL account for xbox360 cross over to the next platform.

Throw me a bone here cause I'm not sure, can anyone tell me if people's account from the original xbox cross over to xbox360 when it launced?

I'm pretty sure that it did.

if that holds true then that will be pretty cool

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#20 Posted by KarateeeChop (4666 posts) -

lol, boy you really are stupid aren't you.  Sure guy....that's what I was saying..sure

casharmy

it's pretty clear you were saying you need another account to play the next xbox. :lol:

oh, and i would refrain from calling people stupid after making posts like these:

 

Simple truth: Many people in western society are racist.

The REAL reason why people hate PS3 is because it's the black color (asian created HD) console.

Rebuttle: then why did the wii sell so well?

Answer: because it was wasn't in direct competition with "Da American" console.

Think about it...why doesthe PS3 sell better in every other country around the world compared to 360?

people will make up other excuses, but no one can LOGICALLY explain support for a system/company that charges for things every other console gets free, and has an exclusvie library that only consists of 1 or 2 high quality titles that are ALWAYS released at the very end of the year.

casharmy

 Who doesen't know that the majority of xbox fanboys are racist/nationalist mined. it's pretty easy to spot and the xbox live community is a pretty good backer for what I've said.

casharmy

;)

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#21 Posted by KarateeeChop (4666 posts) -

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

are you saying there's an xbl fee per console? :lol:

Speedzilla

lol, boy you really are stupid aren't you.  Sure guy....that's what I was sayihng..sure

It's best just to ignore the village idiot (Karateechop).

will you ever forgive me for embarrassing you? :(

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#22 Posted by dream431ca (10165 posts) -

I don't think the Xbox will have BC. The hardware is too different from the 360.

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#23 Posted by freedomfreak (50191 posts) -
lol those quotes haha
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#24 Posted by vaderhater (3972 posts) -

I don't think the Xbox will have BC. The hardware is too different from the 360.

dream431ca

No pretty sure the 360 was pc like too

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#25 Posted by casharmy (9388 posts) -

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]MS wont lose a lot of market share if the blocked used games. That being said, I don't care. This isn't 2005 where XBL was still in its infancy and all people did was play Halo 2 on their 360's. vaderhater

This isn't even about blocking used games, I'm strictly talking about Backward compatibility here. 

Like I said, I do believe next box will have BC...lol but if it dosen't MS really will screww fans who bought the last console because both units would require premium subscriptions to play games online.  I just wondered if anyone else has thought about this.

So no one bought any download games from PSN as well?

the idea I'm talking about revolves around your online portion of games...PSN for PS3 is free.  Even if sony charges for online games with PS4 nothing is lost with what ever you own on PS3.  I'm not really sure why you are mentioning downloadable games here.  What are you trying to say exactly?

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#26 Posted by dream431ca (10165 posts) -

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

I don't think the Xbox will have BC. The hardware is too different from the 360.

vaderhater

No pretty sure the 360 was pc like too

You would need to do it though emulation, but who knows. I think BC is a thing of the past.

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#27 Posted by casharmy (9388 posts) -

lol those quotes hahafreedomfreak
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#28 Posted by KarateeeChop (4666 posts) -

lol those quotes hahafreedomfreak

say freedom, word on the street has it that you have a girly voice. :P

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#29 Posted by Neon_Noir (1466 posts) -
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#30 Posted by vaderhater (3972 posts) -

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]This isn't even about blocking used games, I'm strictly talking about Backward compatibility here. 

Like I said, I do believe next box will have BC...lol but if it dosen't MS really will screww fans who bought the last console because both units would require premium subscriptions to play games online.  I just wondered if anyone else has thought about this.

casharmy

So no one bought any download games from PSN as well?

the idea I'm talking about revolves around your online portion of games...PSN for PS3 is free.  Even if sony charges for online games with PS4 nothing is lost with what ever you own on PS3.  I'm not really sure why you are mentioning downloadable games here.  What are you trying to say exactly?

Yes but I dont lose all the 7th gen games I bought on live because I could play them on an 8th gen machine. What happens with the PS3 titles you bought this gen if your PS3 brokedown?

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#31 Posted by freedomfreak (50191 posts) -

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]lol those quotes hahaKarateeeChop

say freedom, word on the street has it that you have a girly voice. :P

Says who? :O
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#32 Posted by casharmy (9388 posts) -

 .Neon_Noir
LMFAO sorry I asked Neon...I'm sure nextbox will be everything you dreamed it will be 

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#33 Posted by StrongDeadlift (5470 posts) -

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

are you saying there's an xbl fee per console? :lol:

casharmy

lol, boy you really are stupid aren't you.  Sure guy....that's what I was saying..sure

both units would require premium subscriptions to play games online. 

lemmings will get double milked by having to pay twice to play the other portion of games they bought for 360 last gen...

casharmy

idiot :roll:

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#34 Posted by casharmy (9388 posts) -

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]So no one bought any download games from PSN as well?

vaderhater

the idea I'm talking about revolves around your online portion of games...PSN for PS3 is free.  Even if sony charges for online games with PS4 nothing is lost with what ever you own on PS3.  I'm not really sure why you are mentioning downloadable games here.  What are you trying to say exactly?

Yes but I dont lose all the 7th gen games I bought on live because I could play them on an 8th gen machine. What happens with the PS3 titles you bought this gen if your PS3 brokedown?

:) then I'm f*cked

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#35 Posted by Neon_Noir (1466 posts) -

[QUOTE="Neon_Noir"] .casharmy

LMFAO sorry I asked Neon...I'm sure nextbox will be everything you dreamed it will be 

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#36 Posted by casharmy (9388 posts) -

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]lol, boy you really are stupid aren't you.  Sure guy....that's what I was saying..sure

StrongDeadlift

both units would require premium subscriptions to play games online. 

lemmings will get double milked by having to pay twice to play the other portion of games they bought for 360 last gen...

casharmy

idiot :roll:

Touch a never mr asshat?  

I was informed that xbl accout crossed over from the original xbox to 360 in this thead, I didn't konw that before and I think that will most likely happen for next box too, so you are a little late with your insult

numbknutz

*edit*

also I never subscribed to xbl so I wasn't aware of how it worked

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#37 Posted by Speedzilla (1732 posts) -

[QUOTE="Speedzilla"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]lol, boy you really are stupid aren't you.  Sure guy....that's what I was sayihng..sure

KarateeeChop

It's best just to ignore the village idiot (Karateechop).

will you ever forgive me

I forgive you.

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#38 Posted by KarateeeChop (4666 posts) -

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]lol those quotes hahafreedomfreak

say freedom, word on the street has it that you have a girly voice. :P

Says who? :O

zip.gif :twisted:

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#39 Posted by freedomfreak (50191 posts) -

zip.gif :twisted:

KarateeeChop
You better come clean, or I'll find you
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#40 Posted by clyde46 (49050 posts) -
Didn't take long before this thread turned personal.
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#41 Posted by StrongDeadlift (5470 posts) -

Touch a never mr asshat?  

I was informed that xbl accout crossed over from the original xbox to 360 in this thead, I didn't konw that before and I think that will most likely happen for next box too, so you are a little late with your insult

numbknutz

*edit*

also I never subscribed to xbl so I wasn't aware of how it worked

casharmy

I wasnt insulting you for not being aware of how it works.  

I was insulting you for implying that that wasnt what you were asking, and being smug about it, when it was clear that that was what you were asking :)

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#42 Posted by KarateeeChop (4666 posts) -

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

zip.gif :twisted:

freedomfreak

You better come clean, or I'll find you

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i'm going to bed. :P

:twisted:

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#43 Posted by freedomfreak (50191 posts) -
FINE Sleep tight, karatee!
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#44 Posted by WithoutGraceXII (1797 posts) -

Scrap BC entirely, but have the entire Halo series pre-installed on all 720 harddrives.

edit:

And since I'm in dream land, fire up the Halo 2 servers and let us play the greatest console fps multiplayer game of all time again.

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#45 Posted by lamprey263 (35005 posts) -
I imagine the XBL account would be cross platform, you should still be able to use your XBL account I think just if the games don't work then you'd have to play them on the other console.
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#46 Posted by Clock-w0rk (3378 posts) -

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

are you saying there's an xbl fee per console? :lol:

Speedzilla

lol, boy you really are stupid aren't you.  Sure guy....that's what I was sayihng..sure

It's best just to ignore the village idiot (Karateechop).

:lol:

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#47 Posted by CanYouDiglt (8232 posts) -
I see the the damage control over the Nextbox having BC is in full swing. Why are you worried cows I thought you loved buying your games over and over again, just look how you all love the PS2 games being repackaged for the PS3 or how the PS3 did not have PS2 BC so they could resell you games.
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#48 Posted by campzor (34932 posts) -
Dont see why the 720 would need BC, the 360 has no games!
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#49 Posted by CanYouDiglt (8232 posts) -
Dont see why the 720 would need BC, the 360 has no games!campzor
lol so going by your logic the PS3 can not even outsell a console with no games. It just shows how bad of a system the PS3 is then huh? Here comes his response wait what I mean is the 360 has games but all these games from them do not count for blah blah reasons.
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#50 Posted by campzor (34932 posts) -
[QUOTE="campzor"]Dont see why the 720 would need BC, the 360 has no games!CanYouDiglt
lol so going by your logic the PS3 can not even outsell a console with no games. It just shows how bad of a system the PS3 is then huh? Here comes his response wait what I mean is the 360 has games but all these games from them do not count for blah blah reasons.

No, ppl bought 360's so they can keep their houses warm at night. It is far cheaper to buy a 360 than to install a heating system into your house. Its secondary function also works as an anti burglar system. 1 simple step of turning it on and the noise will scare away burglars. No need to train a dog and have sh!t all over your house.